Canada disgraces itself on the enviroment.

Originally posted by Fishy

I may have left out polluted air, but once again you can not stop pollution unless you invest money, and you would need an economy to get money. Destroying the economy to fix problems would eventually result in a rebuilding economy doing exactly the same as the human standard of living is far more important then the air we have.

Okay I left out the crap.

Giving companies more money won't help the enviroment. And you still haven't awnsered the question where do you get money from other then taxes to help?

And what about polluted air?

And yet again, if UV exposure isn't a problem why are the rates of Melanoma rising? A type of cancer contracted by UV exposure. http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cancer/melanoma.html

Originally posted by Starhawk
Okay I left out the crap.

Giving companies more money won't help the enviroment. And you still haven't awnsered the question where do you get money from other then taxes to help?

And what about polluted air?

And yet again, if UV exposure isn't a problem why are the rates of Melanoma rising? A type of cancer contracted by UV exposure. http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cancer/melanoma.html

I would leave out the crap too but nothing of your post would remain.

Now either respond to my last post like I have done to yours or stop this bullshit.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Okay I left out the crap.

Giving companies more money won't help the enviroment. And you still haven't awnsered the question where do you get money from other then taxes to help?

And what about polluted air?

And yet again, if UV exposure isn't a problem why are the rates of Melanoma rising? A type of cancer contracted by UV exposure. http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cancer/melanoma.html

I have you however won't address these points because you don't have any answers to them other then to spout insults.

Originally posted by Starhawk
I have you however won't address these points because you don't have any answers to them other then to spout insults.

You haven't addressed any of my points, but hey I'm going to do something stupid here and address your points again.

Giving company's money if they invest in cleaner ways to produce products will help the environment. Because it will give them a reason to actually do it.

And I never said UV isn't a problem I said the ozone was repairing itself and poverty is still a far bigger problem, as it kills far more people. Now respond to that, or just shut up already.

Originally posted by Fishy

Giving company's money if they invest in cleaner ways to produce products will help the environment. Because it will give them a reason to actually do it.

And I never said UV isn't a problem I said the ozone was repairing itself and poverty is still a far bigger problem, as it kills far more people. Now respond to that.

We can't afford to pay them that much, we wouldn't have anything left for anything else.

In Canada thats not true, cancer is becoming the number 1 killer, Melanoma being a prime example.

And follow this logic, the ozone is what protects us against UV exposure, cancer related to UV exposure is on the rise, so how can the ozone being healing?

Originally posted by Starhawk
We can't afford to pay them that much, we wouldn't have anything left for anything else.

In Canada thats not true, cancer is becoming the number 1 killer, Melanoma being a prime example.

And follow this logic, the ozone is what protects us against UV exposure, cancer related to UV exposure is on the rise, so how can the ozone being healing?

Because it simply is. I don't know why the cancer is rising perhaps it has other sources.

And who gives a damn about Canada, you are willing to destroy the world economy and that of hundreds of country's to save a few people in Canada? What kind of a racists bastard are you anyway?

And Canada only needs to cut taxes for those that invest in Canada, it will actually boost the economy and give Canada more money, as it has done so in other country's.

Follow this logical fallacy?

Originally posted by Fishy
Because it simply is. I don't know why the cancer is rising perhaps it has other sources.

And who gives a damn about Canada, you are willing to destroy the world economy and that of hundreds of country's to save a few people in Canada?

And Canada only needs to cut taxes for those that invest in Canada, it will actually boost the economy and give Canada more money, as it has done so in other country's.

The source for this type of Cancer is UV exposure, and it's on the rise
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cancer/melanoma.html

No, I am willing to inconvenience the world economy in order to isure the majority of the planet has an environment that can sustain them in the future.

Originally posted by Starhawk
The source for this type of Cancer is UV exposure, and it's on the rise
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cancer/melanoma.html

No, I am willing to inconvenience the world economy in order to isure the majority of the planet has an environment that can sustain them in the future.

Look your posting your one and only source again, and once again the Ozone is restoring it self. I don't know what causes cancer to kill more people in Canada, and quite frankly I barely care. Cancer is a luxury disease. You are willing to "inconvenience" the economy of developing country's thus killing millions and making ending poverty even harder then it already is for a few Canadians that have cancer.

Get off your high horse, Canada isn't important in the factor. A hundred millions die of poverty every year, and you care about a few damned Canadians with cancer?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image😛ercentage_population_living_on_less_than_1_dollar_day.png

Look at that link

Every country with a color other then green and gray will lose a lot of their population. You are willing to kill anywhere from ten thousands to a million people in each and every single one of those country's.

You know what the WTO says is the best way to stop poverty and all it's effects?

Economic growth. You are stopping that, or at least limiting that with your incredibly stupid idea's. It will kill millions of people. Because you want to prevent cancer.

Which I have to say your idea probably will do, because let's face it. If the economy of the world is destroyed it would surely mean that nobody will die of cancer anymore, we won't live long enough for that.

And once again the only way you can force the world to do something about the enviroment is by investing in cleaner technology. Something that would require an economy. Your way of just taxing and killing millions of people to reduce damage is stupid and it won't help.

Edit: also your stupid link is incredibly dumb...

Melanoma is the most dangerous type of skin cancer. It often starts out as a coloured mole or spot, but can spread fast to surrounding skin and other organs. Melanomas make up only one or two per cent of all skin cancers, but is the type most likely to be fatal.

It's dangerous but only a small group is affected

Now a doctor offers a theory as to why it's rising

"One thing could be the thinning of the ozone layer, which provides a filter for the UV light," he says. "If the ozone becomes thin, there is more UV light. Another thing is a lot of people like going to the beach and getting a suntan."

Notice the Could be part... If the ozone becomes thin. Well it isn't becoming thin, it's restoring itself.

So your link is bullshit and offers no prove for any of this doctor his theory's. You fail.

the death rates are increasing for men, and dropping for women. Li says it is unknown what's behind this pattern.

Not that big a problem here really, at least half of Canada's population is dying less and less because of this disease.

There will be an estimated 4,500 new melanoma cases and 880 melanoma-related deaths in Canada this year, according to statistics from several cancer agencies.

880 deaths? 880 ****ing deaths? You are placing the lives of 880 Canadians a year above that of millions of people in Africa? *******

Yes. About 90 per cent of melanoma can be cured if caught in the early stages.

Not to mention that with better education on it, 90% of the people affected can be cured, this isn't a major problem at all.

It's not just cancer, you keep thinking incorrectly that the problems with the environment are a single issue, your wrong.

1)Polluted water supplies.
2)Worsening air quality levels.
3)Overfilled Landfills, so bad people are fighting where to put the garbage.
4)Species important to our ecosystem like bees dying off.

And yes I care what happens not only in Canada but I take into account the greater good. And if some people have to die now to ensure that in the future we can all live then thats what has to happen.

If we don't fix these problems, we will be dead anyways, because the environment won't be able to sustain us anymore.

I already addressed all of those points earlier.

No you gave abstractions without specifics.

The point is, we need to make hard choices now or we won't have a livable planet in the future.

If millions have to die so that a few can go to the beach and tan, so be it.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If millions have to die so that a few can go to the beach and tan, so be it.

No , but if they need to die so that the planet can be livable in the future then so be it.

Originally posted by Starhawk
No , but if they need to die so that the planet can be livable in the future then so be it.

Aye comrade!

Originally posted by inimalist
Aye comrade!

Environmental concern has nothing to do with Communism.

Here learn what Communism actually is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

sacrifice the few for the many?

sacrifice the rich and capitalism for the benefit of the poor?

🙄

its sadder that you don't know you believe in Communism

Originally posted by Starhawk
No you gave abstractions without specifics.

The point is, we need to make hard choices now or we won't have a livable planet in the future.

I'm not an engineer, I know there are things that can make our factory's cleaner and I know they require money. So I would make the costs on such things deductible and reduce taxes on certain area's of company's if they invest in cleaner technology. It's simple.

But I'm happy you at least stopped saying that cancer crap, it's one step in the right direction at least.

Originally posted by Starhawk
No , but if they need to die so that the planet can be livable in the future then so be it.

Your willing to destroy the economy to stop cancer amongst Canadians when that didn't even have anything to do with enviroment and the reasons why it's happening are unknown... You are willing to kill millions for nothing.

No I am a socialist, Communism encompasses much more then that.

And no, I am willing to sacrifice the few so we can actually live on this planet in the future.

And not sacrifice the rich, just inconvenience them slightly.

Originally posted by Starhawk
No I am a socialist, Communism encompasses much more then that.

And no, I am willing to sacrifice the few so we can actually live on this planet in the future.

And not sacrifice the rich, just inconvenience them slightly.

You are willing to kill millions for nothing, unsupported theory or things completely unrelated to what you are saying here. Your cancer bullshit was a prime example of how ignorant you really are on these matters. And you even provided the evidence for that...

You are willing to hurt the economy to make the poor richer and create a better environment ignoring the obvious results it will have on the economy. And thus the entire world...