Originally posted by Victor Von DoomI don't think he was talking about "black people" in general...but African Americans who have a place in their heart for Michael Jackson because of his cultural influence, what he means to their community, etc.....but needlessly overglorify him.
Why say something so dumb? Seriously, why would you think that, type it, and then press 'Submit'?Most people have various systems in place to prevent such idiocy.
I think he'd also say there would be just as many "insane, dumb", white people (or white Americans) who would be looking forward to a new Bruce Springsteen album for the same reasons...
...thing is...both of them suck now, and neither "The King of Pop" or "The Boss" deserve the praise.
"Watch you talking about man...that's The Boss!!!"
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I don't think he was talking about "black people" in general...but African Americans who have a place in their heart for Michael Jackson because of his cultural influence, what he means to their community, etc.....but needlessly overglorify him.
Well, when someone says something dumb, I assume dumb. I'm not going to sit here and morph his sentence into something less stupid.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I think he'd also say there would be just as many "insane, dumb", white people (or white Americans) who would be looking forward to a new Bruce Springsteen album for the same reasons...
Which would be just as idiotic.
take it how you want
im tired of hearing people whinging about un pc comments regarding black people
no matter what shit Jacko serves up there are a huge amount of black people around the world who will lap it up regardless of the attempts to rid himself completley of his afro features and the ever decreasing quality of his work
they fawn over him like some black god like musical genius when in fact hes an artist who will never match the glories of Thriller and who also looks like something from the darkest nightmares of Tim Burton with accusations that dont help this look either.
Originally posted by vintageSW77
take it how you want
im tired of hearing people whinging about un pc comments regarding black people
(Epibites- that's why I didn't give the benefit of the doubt)
It's nothing to do with PC, you fool. It's the use of ridiculous unsubstantiated claims to promote your own idiotic ideas.
As we will see:
Originally posted by vintageSW77
no matter what shit Jacko serves up there are a huge amount of black people around the world who will lap it up regardless of the attempts to rid himself completley of his afro features and the ever decreasing quality of his work
As well as white people.
Clearly then, what you have said isn't remarkable in its own right, so you bring an agenda to it. Given that the decline of his work is subjective, and you clearly have no figures regarding these stupid claims.
Originally posted by vintageSW77
they fawn over him like some black god like musical genius
Pathetic.
Originally posted by vintageSW77
when in fact hes an artist who will never match the glories of Thriller
Subjective. Not that declining work stops someone being a genius. Let's not put facts in the way of an insecure rant, though.
Originally posted by vintageSW77and who also looks like something from the darkest nightmares of Tim Burton with accusations that dont help this look either.
Relevant to music?
Actually no, I'm being unfair.
Prove your 'The only people looking forward to this are the insane and dumb black people' was completely factual, and uncoloured by personal idiocy and we can stop thinking that the only people that say such things are brainless idiots.
Quid pro.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
(Epibites- that's why I didn't give the benefit of the doubt)It's nothing to do with PC, you fool. It's the use of ridiculous unsubstantiated claims to promote your own idiotic ideas.
As we will see:
As well as white people.
Clearly then, what you have said isn't remarkable in its own right, so you bring an agenda to it. Given that the decline of his work is subjective, and you clearly have no figures regarding these stupid claims.
Pathetic.
Subjective. Not that declining work stops someone being a genius. Let's not put facts in the way of an insecure rant, though.
Relevant to music?
Actually no, I'm being unfair.
Prove your 'The only people looking forward to this are the insane and dumb black people' was completely factual, and uncoloured by personal idiocy and we can stop thinking that the only people that say such things are brainless idiots.
Quid pro.
There are certain members on this site with the time to get into pages of debate over stuff like this
im not one of them
break down what i say how you want
im just saying it how ive seen it
A large quality of blacks,celebs and questionably musicaly tasted whites are blind to the mediocrity of Jackos new work because of the so called enigma of Jacko
and with this new release we will have the usual suspects all declaring his musical genius with the obligitaroy "we love you Micheal" comments whilst gushing over a no doubt substandard album with the usual renta- street cred artists involved
I grow tired of weak hip hop n rnb polluting the air waves and this new album will be the latest addition to a genre that ran out of ideas round about the time the two merged.
Ive never gotten why so many black people still rate the ****er
its a strange phenomena
a scarred for life washed up wanna be white oddity with accusations that whilst having nothing to do with his music in this day of celeb mean everything to his career
its all about "product" with the kind of audience that listens to this shit nowadays and the "product" is soiled
an entertainer who hasnt had a decent track to put his at times still decent vocals to since he and quincy shook hands the day they completed Thriller
and still they want to go down and suck on that allegedly zebra striped cock.
and **** off with the "Quid Pro" you pretentious ****er
Originally posted by vintageSW77
There are certain members on this site with the time to get into pages of debate over stuff like this
im not one of them
I doubt you are capable of a page.
Originally posted by vintageSW77
break down what i say how you want
I am.
Originally posted by vintageSW77
A large quality of blacks,celebs and questionably musicaly tasted whites are blind to the mediocrity of Jackos new work because of the so called enigma of Jacko
This is why you're an idiot. You know what you said was dumb, but you will now, below, continue to riff on it.
Originally posted by vintageSW77I grow tired of weak hip hop n rnb polluting the air waves and this new album will be the latest addition to a genre that ran out of ideas round about the time the two merged.
It's about time you changed the record (literally).
Originally posted by vintageSW77
Ive never gotten why so many black people still rate the ****er
its a strange phenomena
Idiot. Why did you feel the need to return to the point that you yourself proved was stupid?
Originally posted by vintageSW77
a scarred for life washed up wanna be white oddity with accusations that whilst having nothing to do with his music in this day of celeb mean everything to his career
At least you see you are going off-topic. Try self-editing, rather than admitting it.
Originally posted by vintageSW77
its all about "product" with the kind of audience that listens to this shit nowadays and the "product" is soiled
Music has always been sold, you tool. Do the bands you like give their music away?
What kind of audience would that be? Are they worse than ignorant, semi-literate fools?
Originally posted by vintageSW77
and still they want to go down and suck on that allegedly zebra striped cock.
You want the OTF.
Originally posted by vintageSW77
and **** off with the "Quid Pro" you pretentious ****er
Pretentious is a rather big word. Well done.
as for the "product" comment im talking about commercial Rnb/hip hop
the majority of fans of RnB and commercial Hip hop are as much interested in the image and moves as much as the music which given the standard of the music is understandable
a lot of people who listen to certain other genres dont give a **** what a band looks like
hence my comment
its about the music
that lot(Mj now included) are a bunch of dancers with a bit of singing on the side
its over choreographed ring tone shite
modern black popular culture isnt worth a shit..its superficial shallow wank and they (and an ever increasing bunch of moronic whites and asians in this country at least)lap it up
there you go
Originally posted by vintageSW77
as for the product comment im talking about commercial Rnb/hip hop the majority of fans of RnB and commercial Hip hop are as much interested in the image and moves as much as the music which given the standard of the music is fair enough
a lot of people who listen to other genres dont give a **** what a band looks like hence my comment
modern black popular culture isnt worth a shit..its superficial shallow wank and they lap it up
there you go
It's not 'black culture', it's hip hop culture.
It's no less shallow than other genres. In fact, no set of fans are more annoying than scenester 'emo' or 'metal' fans.
That fans of other genres don't care what bands look like is BS, because it is just as true of any genre. That's why they all look the same.
No one tells metal bands to dress like that- it doesn't aid the music. Same with 'emo'.
Originally posted by vintageSW77
as for the "product" comment im talking about commercial Rnb/hip hop
the majority of fans of RnB and commercial Hip hop are as much interested in the image and moves as much as the music which given the standard of the music is understandable
a lot of people who listen to other genres dont give a **** what a band looks like hence my comment
its about the music
that lot(Mj now included) are a bunch of dancers with a bit of singing on the side
its over choreographed ring tone shite
modern black popular culture isnt worth a shit..its superficial shallow wank and they (and an increasing bunch of moronic whites and asians)lap it up
there you go
. Let's put everyone else down for having different tastes and styles. Just because you don't like/agree with it , doesn't mean you have to be a prick about it.
Originally posted by Pezmerga
. Let's put everyone else down for having different tastes and styles. Just because you don't like/agree with it , doesn't mean you have to be a prick about it.
I just think personally Jacko is pretty much unwatchable as an entertainer nowadays which is a shame as ill always remember him for the clip of him performing Billie Jean at the Motown Anniversary do back in the 80s
artists lose it over 20 years for sure but Jacko peaked a long time ago
im not expecting a return to old glories with his new cd thats all...same thing been happening since the BAD album
what we will get again is over choreographed wank like the last cd whose name escapes me
and without Jacko we wouldnt have NE YO which is a bigger crime in itself than the stuff with the kids in our house
thats Jackos legacy...,..expensive slushy rnb videos 24 hour a day on MTV
im not putting everyone down for their tastes in musics
i appreciate a wide range of genres
just not commercial RnB and Hip Hop
its shallow crap which is an insult to the names it uses as a genre
now i dont want to take EPIII place as the poster who recieves essay length posts in the music thread so a couple more postings and im out
i have to go back to my comment of "product" regarding Jacko which may not have been clear enough
in a genre where the lifestyle and look of the artist is almost as important as the music i find Jackos continued popularity with that crowd a bit of a surprise
i personaly own a lot of cds where i have never seen the artists on tv or would regognize them in print who made the music so i dont buy into the artist as product thing which the rnb crowd do
our current rnb flavoured uk number 1s sucess is not down to the song but the video featuring two divas "ooh dont they look alike" is the cry that rings out above the quality of the track
its a load of bollocks
as is this thread
now im off to prepare to watch a v important football match so ill have to catch up with the thread breakdowns and character assasinations tommorow V.D
Cha Mon!
...it's amazes me that someone who doesn't even like Jackson would spend so much time in a Michael Jackson thread trying to explain why people shouldn't like MJ. I like Michael's music. Most of his best songs came after Thriller such as Bad, Smooth Criminal, Dangerous, Will You Be There, Heal the World, Leave Me Alone, Black or White, You Rock My World, Jam, Man in the Mirror, and so many other wonderful songs.
Really his performances on stage and on his music videos are for the sole purpose of entertainment. Frankly; most music videos are dull and boring. At least MJ gives you a reason to watch his video. And also he gives you a reason to go to a concert since he actually puts on a performance instead of just paying about $100+ just to listen to the same songs you could hear on his CD.
Everything you have stated vintageSW77 is your opinion not fact. Fact is MJ is one of the (if not) best selling artists of all time. Only the Beatles and Elvis has a chance on being equal and/or surpassing sells. There is a reason MJ managed to sell so many records and it wasn't for having an image.