Merlyn vs Abraxus

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Eternitys a multiverse now is he? Thats funny considering what you said here:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/449137_9-phoenix-force-vs-mad-jim-jaspers-fury-vs-pretcon-beyonder

And I still stand by what I said in that Thread and in this one.

Eternity 616 has NEVER and will NEVER be a Multiverse.

Nice try on trying to confuse the onlookers.

Here's the lesson for today:

Every Eternity is part of Multi-Eternity as though they were ONE .

"I am the Spirit of the Universe that once existed here.

I am an Aspect (a Universe) of .... ALL Eternity" (the Multiverse)

Now this is that same Eternity telling us One Universe is just a PART of His TOTALITY:

Wait a minute!

As in this Single Eternity/Universe is the Multiverse?

"Of the nigh-Infinite number of Aspects that comprise MY Totality,

I am the only Aspect to succumb to Death"

"Eternity spoke of Infinite Universes beyond this"

Yes Dr Strange, as in OTHER Aspects. 🙂

Whatever ONE Reality/Eternity as in the 616 Universe experiences,

it's OBVIOUS, the TOTALITY of Eternity can FEEL/KNOW

those experiences too.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Now i could swear 616 goes by the name of Eternity?

If you want to refer to the true multiverse you mean Multi-Eternity right?

Incorrect,

Eternity in his Totality is the Multiverse.

Eternity in Fragments or Aspects of Himself, are Single Universe.

Like Eternity 616.

The term Multi-Eternity was only used ONCE in Marvel comicdom.

Forget about the Multi-Eternity, it's just an expression of Eternity in his Totality.

As I PROVED!

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
In light of that would you really have us believe this guy could take out Abraxas? Not buying it

I could care less what YOU buy GS, don't include yourself with the rest.

Know that now and always.

Originally posted by Utrigita
When has Merlyn ever erased a concept from reality ecspecially the concept of destruction?

Anything to support that Merlyn can do that, remake a multiverse first destroy it (I am sure he can) and the remake it in every detail (doubt he can)

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually you're talking about the illusion

Merlyn cause Excalibur and Roma herself to believe.

The supposed destruction of Excalibur Tower took place in MAY 1992

That must be a repost of something you used on a previous poster, because i fail to see how that deals with anything ive presented. Nothing ive said is connected with this image of Necrom bluffing about what hes going to do if Rachel doesnt give him her portion of the Force.. Whats funny is none of your narration corresponds to whats actually going on in the scan as well.

Originally posted by Mr Master

How is Otherworld being sustained if it was Created by Matrix empowered Merlyn?

[B]"I Mastered the Energy Matrix and established Otherworld"
[/B]

Who told you that Otherworld needs a constant supply of energy from Merlyn to exist? Once again supposition.

Originally posted by Mr Master
How does the Celestial Nullifier still have the Life-Force of every Universe in the Omniverse,

when it was Created by Merlyn?

(1998)

"This Crystal embodies the LifeForce of your Home Dimension"

"By breaking it, that Entire Portion of the Omniverse CEASES TO EXIST"

(OR 2005)

What do you mean? It was built by Merlyn to be connected with the life forces of each reality. Who told you in the first place that Merlyn needs to constantly feed it with power to enable it to function? Thats supposition on your part im afraid and your point is therefore irrelevant.

Originally posted by Mr Master
How is Roma's Starlight Citidel (that contains UniverseS) still standing?

Also Created by Merlyn.

The Starlight Citidel has been the Watch Tower for some time now:

"At the CENTER POINT of CREATION is the Starlight Citadel"

"from this venue,

the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the OMNIVERSE"

The Matrix energy was used to create Otherworld and the Starlight citadel as stated. Merlyn no longer has the matrix energy so hyping up how great Otherworld is doesnt help you out in the slightest when it wasnt brought about by Merlyns inherent power, it isnt a place made possible by a standard Merlyn which unfortunately for your case is what we're dealing with here.

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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
That must be a repost of something you used on a previous poster, because i fail to see how that deals with anything ive presented. Nothing ive said is connected with this image of Necrom bluffing about what hes going to do if Rachel doesnt give him her portion of the Force.. Whats funny is none of your narration corresponds to whats actually going on in the scan as well.

Be thorough, this will prevent circles. 🙂

AGAIN:

Actually you're talking about the illusion

Merlyn cause Excalibur and Roma herself to believe.

The supposed destruction of Excalibur Tower took place in MAY 1992

(THE DATE)

Here's the Interface alignment still intact in September 2005:

"Otherworld: One of the Primary Intersections of Reality,

from Here,

you can Access ANY Point along the Sidereal String that Ties Creation Together"

Who Created Otherworld?

Merlyn did.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Who told you that Otherworld needs a constant supply of energy from Merlyn to exist? Once again supposition.

Interesting,

according to you without the Phoenix Force sustaining Reality, Reality would fall.

But Otherworld is special and Sustains itself, ey?

Oh wait, Phoenix sustains Otherworld right? 😏

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What do you mean? It was built by Merlyn to be connected with the life forces of each reality. Who told you in the first place that Merlyn needs to constantly feed it with power to enable it to function? Thats supposition on your part im afraid and your point is therefore irrelevant.

Again, it may be irrelevant to you, and that's meaningless to me.

Because Everything about anything I state and Post must be opposed by you,

this is no surprise.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Matrix energy was used to create Otherworld and the Starlight citadel as stated. Merlyn no longer has the matrix energy so hyping up how great Otherworld is doesnt help you out in the slightest when it wasnt brought about by Merlyns inherent power, it isnt a place made possible by a standard Merlyn which unfortunately for your case is what we're dealing with here.

I'm not going to debate this needlessly.

The Energy Matrix is STILL On and Kicking.

The Starlight Citidel has been the Watch Tower for some time now:

(2005)

"At the CENTER POINT of CREATION is the Starlight Citadel"

(1998)

"from this venue,

the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the OMNIVERSE"

Excalibur NEVER truly destroyed the Matrix,

Merlyn allowed them and Roma to believe that.

Originally posted by Mr Master
And I still stand by what I said in that Thread and in this one.

Eternity 616 has NEVER and will NEVER be a Multiverse.

Nice try on trying to confuse the onlookers.

Here's the lesson for today:

Every Eternity is part of Multi-Eternity as though they were ONE .

"I am the Spirit of the [B]Universe that once existed here.

I am an Aspect (a Universe) of .... ALL Eternity" (the Multiverse)

Now this is that same Eternity telling us One Universe is just a PART of His TOTALITY:

Wait a minute!

As in this Single Eternity/Universe is the Multiverse?

"Of the nigh-Infinite number of Aspects that comprise MY Totality,

I am the only Aspect to succumb to Death"

"Eternity spoke of Infinite Universes beyond this"

Yes Dr Strange, as in OTHER Aspects. 🙂

Whatever ONE Reality/Eternity as in the 616 Universe experiences,

it's OBVIOUS, the TOTALITY of Eternity can FEEL/KNOW

those experiences too.

Incorrect,

Eternity in his Totality is the Multiverse.

Eternity in Fragments or Aspects of Himself, are Single Universe.

Like Eternity 616.

The term Multi-Eternity was only used ONCE in Marvel comicdom.

Forget about the Multi-Eternity, it's just an expression of Eternity in his Totality.

As I PROVED!

I could care less what YOU buy GS, don't include yourself with the rest.

Know that now and always. [/B]

Originally posted by Mr Master
And I still stand by what I said in that Thread and in this one.

Eternity 616 has NEVER and will NEVER be a Multiverse.

Nice try on trying to confuse the onlookers.

Here's the lesson for today:

Every Eternity is part of Multi-Eternity as though they were ONE .

"I am the Spirit of the [B]Universe that once existed here.

I am an Aspect (a Universe) of .... ALL Eternity" (the Multiverse)

Now this is that same Eternity telling us One Universe is just a PART of His TOTALITY:

Wait a minute!

As in this Single Eternity/Universe is the Multiverse?[/B]

You have argued that 616 Eternity was a pseudo multiverse when it has suited you. You are now trying to make out that references to an Eternity automatically refer to the entire multiverse. This is once again just so that in versus matches featuring Eternity you can refer to a multiverse as opposed to the universe Eternity officially is.

Some publications especially Dr Strange ones in the 80's occassionally used the reference Eternity, to refer the entire multiverse

Some publications have painted 616 Eternity as a pseudo multiverse in his own right because of the many dimensions (pocket or otherwise) he encompasses

Most publications throughout continuity along with the official bio use the reference Eternity to refer to the universal aspect.

There are no showings for a Multi-Eternity on panel, there are no bios.

Everytime Eternity is mentioned in a thread you cannot assume that you can start taking things multiversal. You cannot assume that a universal aspect can suddenly draw on all the power of the multiverse. 😬

I don’t think you’re quite getting what im saying Mr Master. Allow me to clarify.

When Excalibur blew up the towers across the multiverse, they prevented the matrix from being able to be harnessed by Merlyn or anyone:

As stated in Excalibur it was the towers which stabilised the previously irregular matrix and made it usuable:

After the towers were destroyed, Merlyn himself stated point blank that the matrix was gone and that energy would be scarce without it:

i.e he wouldn’t be able to use the power anymore.

Your whole argument is based on the fact that things Merlyn created are still around. Your argument is supposition, you have no proof that the things he created require a constant stream of matrix energy from him to exist, and therefore your argument is a shambles. You are presuming that Merlyn is still able to wield the matrix energy and that he lied that he couldn’t based NOT on on panel scenes stating the point, but solely on the fact that the things he created with the matrix power are still around.

So you know the inner workings of the Celestial Nullifier? You know it needs a constant stream of matrix energy from Merlyn therefore he must still have the power?

You know allll about cosmic space/time laws of Marvel so you know for Otherworld to still exist Merlyn must still wield the matrix power?

SUPPOSITION. Learn the meaning of the word, avoid it like the plague.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You have argued that 616 Eternity was a pseudo multiverse when it has suited you.

PROVE it you freakin LIAR.

I CHALLENGE YOU GS,

to PROVE I ever said 616 Eternity is a Multiverse!!!!

You wanna talk shit

well then put your money where your mouth is.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You are now trying to make out that references to an Eternity automatically refer to the entire multiverse. This is once again just so that in versus matches featuring Eternity you can refer to a multiverse as opposed to the universe Eternity officially is.

Some publications especially Dr Strange ones in the 80's occassionally used the reference Eternity, to refer the entire multiverse

Some publications have painted 616 Eternity as a pseudo multiverse in his own right because of the many dimensions (pocket or otherwise) he encompasses

Most publications throughout continuity along with the official bio use the reference Eternity to refer to the universal aspect.

There are no showings for a Multi-Eternity on panel, there are no bios.

Gibberish.

The Totality or ALL of Eternity is the Multiverse, period.

The Aspects of of Eternity are Universes, period.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Everytime Eternity is mentioned in a thread you cannot assume that you can start taking things multiversal. You cannot assume that a universal aspect can suddenly draw on all the power of the multiverse.

No one said that dukie,

are you even reading my Posts, are you so caught up in trying to prove me wrong,

you're not allowed to?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I don’t think you’re quite getting what im saying Mr Master. Allow me to clarify.

When Excalibur blew up the towers across the multiverse, they prevented the matrix from being able to be harnessed by Merlyn or anyone:

As stated in Excalibur it was the towers which stabilised the previously irregular matrix and made it usuable:

i.e he wouldn’t be able to use the power anymore.

Your whole argument is based on the fact that things Merlyn created are still around. Your argument is supposition, you have no proof that the things he created require a constant stream of matrix energy from him to exist, and therefore your argument is a shambles. You are presuming that Merlyn is still able to wield the matrix energy and that he lied that he couldn’t based NOT on on panel scenes stating the point, but solely on the fact that the things he created with the matrix power are still around.

So you know the inner workings of the Celestial Nullifier? You know it needs a constant stream of matrix energy from Merlyn therefore he must still have the power?

You know allll about cosmic space/time laws of Marvel so you know for Otherworld to still exist Merlyn must still wield the matrix power?

Continue to Repeat yourself,

you're not getting anywhere.

Stop posting Events that took place in 1992,

Again: (1998 and 2005)

The Starlight Citidel has been the Watch Tower for some time now:

"At the CENTER POINT of CREATION is the Starlight Citadel"

"from this venue,

the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the OMNIVERSE"

Excalibur NEVER truly destroyed the Matrix,

Merlyn allowed them and Roma to believe that.

Does it anywhere says that the matrix is needed for the otherworld to exist ???

Originally posted by Mr Master
Continue to Repeat yourself,

you're not getting anywhere.

Stop posting Events that took place in 1992,

As long as the material from that time hasnt been shown to be wrong or that the specific things we're debating from that time have changed in status then it is still very much relevant.

Please show me a scan stating that Merlyn still wields the matrix power to this day or are you going to PRESUME that he still does just because the things he created with that power still exist? 😬

Merlyn stated he could no longer gain power from the matrix, that statement has never been retracted or shown not to be the case on panel. SUPPOSITION does not make for a good argument. 👇

Originally posted by Utrigita
Does it anywhere says that the matrix is needed for the otherworld to exist ???

It doesn't matter whether Otherworld exists or not.

The fact that the Interface alignment is still intact

Proves the Energy Matrix was never truly broken.

Merlyn's Official Marvel Bio states,

Merlyn "Intended" for Excalibur to destroy the Tower.

Why would he throw a fit afterwards if he INTENDED for that to happen?

To make Excalibur and Roma believe in what they had done.

Later on we learn the Starlight Citidel has become the Watch Tower.,

from which ALL Realities in the Omniverse are connected,

just like the Excalibur Watch Tower.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As long as the material from that time hasnt been shown to be wrong or that the specific things we're debating from that time have changed in status then it is still very much relevant.

Please show me a scan stating that Merlyn still wields the matrix power to this day or are you going to PRESUME that he still does just because the things he created with that power still exist?

Merlyn stated he could no longer gain power from the matrix, that statement has never been retracted or shown not to be the case on panel. SUPPOSITION does not make for a good argument.

"SUPPOSITION does not make for a good argument"

Neither does talking out of your ass,

but who's counting. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
It doesn't matter whether Otherworld exists or not.

The fact that the Interface alignment is still intact

Proves the Energy Matrix was never truly broken.

Merlyn's Official Marvel Bio states,

Merlyn "Intended" for Excalibur to destroy the Tower.

Why would he throw a fit afterwards if he INTENDED for that to happen?

To make Excalibur and Roma believe in what they had done.

Later on we learn the Starlight Citidel has become the Watch Tower.,

from which ALL Realities in the Omniverse are connected,

just like the Excalibur Watch Tower.

Can you provid a scan CLEARLY illustrating that the citadel and so on needs the power of the matrix to function???

(It says here that the matrix is destroyed and nothing about Merlyn intending excalibur to destroy anything http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/merlinyn.htm)at the middel of the page I think ore is it under comments)

Originally posted by Mr Master
It doesn't matter whether Otherworld exists or not.

The fact that the Interface alignment is still intact

Proves the Energy Matrix was never truly broken.

Merlyn's Official Marvel Bio states,

Merlyn "Intended" for Excalibur to destroy the Tower.

Why would he throw a fit afterwards if he INTENDED for that to happen?

To make Excalibur and Roma believe in what they had done.

Later on we learn the Starlight Citidel has become the Watch Tower.,

from which ALL Realities in the Omniverse are connected,

just like the Excalibur Watch Tower.

No lying please. 🙂

The official bio states "PERHAPS as he intended" with regards to Excalibur destroying the tower. That isnt confirmation that Merlyn intended to destroy the tower. Thats speculation from a handbook writer, not a dictation of canon.

As far as we saw on panel, the matrix was rendered unusable, Merlyn claimed he wasnt able to use it anymore and he hasnt been shown to since. Unless you can come up with on panel evidence besides this supposition, evidence which actually states and demonstrates the contrary quite conclusively, then as ever you have nothing im afraid to inform you. 🙁

Better luck next time. 😱

Thats enough for tonight, look forward to seeing some evidence tomorrow. 🙂

Nite nite!! 😱

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No lying please.

Only one LIAR around here,

should I Post the goods?

I'll let you slide.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The official bio states "PERHAPS as he intended" with regards to Excalibur destroying the tower. That isnt confirmation that Merlyn intended to destroy the tower. Thats speculation from a handbook writer, not a dictation of canon.

That's not speculation.

The Interface Alignment is still fully functional,

so it's quite obvious the Tower was NOT destroyed.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As far as we saw on panel, the matrix was rendered unusable, Merlyn claimed he wasnt able to use it anymore and he hasnt been shown to since. Unless you can come up with on panel evidence besides this supposition, evidence which actually states and demonstrates the contrary quite conclusively, then as ever you have nothing im afraid to inform you.

Better luck next time

AGAIN:

Continue to Repeat yourself,

you're not getting anywhere.

Stop posting Events that took place in 1992,

Again: (1998 and 2005)

The Starlight Citidel has been the Watch Tower for some time now:

"At the CENTER POINT of CREATION is the Starlight Citadel"

"from this venue,

the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the OMNIVERSE"

Excalibur NEVER truly destroyed the Matrix,

Merlyn allowed them and Roma to believe that.

swank

How the heck is the Tower still in effect,

if it was supposedly "destroyed?" hum

In Brian's and Meggan's wedding, (0ver 70 issues AFTER Excalibur #50)

Merlyn makes an appearance in disguised:

"You, Father, are like a Force of Nature"

The ONLY Event that Merlyn did not manipulate, was Excalibur's break up,

everything up to that point, has been Merlyn's doing.

And Roma thought even that was Manipulated, as their entire History has been:

"Though the Swrod we two so Craftly Forged (Excalibur Group)

hath been Sheathed for now,

it may yet be drawn anew when the Time is right ... Someday"

Originally posted by Utrigita
Can you provid a scan CLEARLY illustrating that the citadel and so on needs the power of the matrix to function???

If the Otherworld's Citidel is still connected to every Universe in the Omniverse,

the Matrix was never broken.

I already posted the same scans about 5 times,

The "Citidel is the Centerpoint of ALL Creation"

From the Citidel Roma "can observe every Plane in the Omniverse"

The Starlight Citidel is what the Excalibur Tower used to be.

Originally posted by Utrigita
(It says here that the matrix is destroyed and nothing about Merlyn intending excalibur to destroy anything http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/merlinyn.htm)at the middel of the page I think ore is it under comments)

Proves nothing.

(excerpt from the Official Handbook bio - Merlyn)

"Perhaps as Merlyn Intended"

"Perhaps"

Because it was never established On Panel how the Interface Alignment remained,

after the Tower was destroyed.

Obviously because Merlyn Manipulated the whole thing, he always has.

This is literally almost 7 Years (late 1998) after Excalubur #50

(when the Tower was destroyed in 1992)

bump...i'm just enjoying the argument...lol