Originally posted by StarhawkBecause people's ability to speak their minds is such a danger to the public.
No small minded insults have nothing to do with this law or topic. The point is, people's safety is more important then other people's ability to spout hate speech.
You have yet to prove that Canada has a lower crime rate than the U.S. You won't get anywhere if you can't back up your claims
Yes it is if it causes people to be violent to one another
For the year 2005 (2006 stats wont be released until July of this year)
Hate Crime Rates
Canada around 30 per 1000 population cases nationwide.
US around 90 per 1000 population cases nationwide.
And just to prove that a nations history doesn't mean everything, Britain beats you guys at around 100 per 1000 population. Of course they just passed their national hate crime law this year as well.
Originally posted by StarhawkUmm...yeah, you just posted numbers. Where's your source? You just pull them out of your ass?
Yes it is if it causes people to be violent to one anotherFor the year 2005 (2006 stats wont be released until July of this year)
Hate Crime Rates
Canada around 30 per 1000 population cases nationwide.
US around 90 per 1000 population cases nationwide.
And just to prove that a nations history doesn't mean everything, Britain beats you guys at around 100 per 1000 population. Of course they just passed their national hate crime law this year as well.
I see. Well you can claim that you researched the growth rates of fungus in the desert for all I care, but I'm not believing a thing until you can post a source.
For the record, I have no doubt that Canada has a lower hate crime rate. What I'm doing, Starhawk, is teaching you that you can't make a claim without some facts backing it up.
Any claim you make is invalid unless you can prove it.
Originally posted by Strangelove
I see. Well you can claim that you researched the growth rates of fungus in the desert for all I care, but I'm not believing a thing until you can post a source.For the record, I have no doubt that Canada has a lower hate crime rate. What I'm doing, Starhawk, is teaching you that you can't make a claim without some facts backing it up.
Any claim you make is invalid unless you can prove it.
When it comes to law, there is nothing you have to teach ME.
You do understand nations publish yearly reports on criminal activity? And those are divided into sections detailing the percentage of that crime rate as it relates to such areas as.
Hate Crime
Violent Crime
White Collar Crime
Sex Related Offences
Murder Rate
etc...
And from now on everytime you make a statement I will be there to make sure you back it up as well.
Re: The Thought Police (new hate crimes law)...
Originally posted by sithsaber408I don't agree with Hate Speech or the propaganda to carry it's message. That said, if this is true then I'm pretty pissed. Who are They to tell me what to think? One of the great things and strengths about the USA is out diversified backgrounds and the will to overcome differences for the greater good. I hate this media driven, Politically Correct society we've become. I don't agree with some people's personal choices, Religions, political views, etc but taking away words, phrases, and thoughts only erodes from who we are as a society.
[b]The Thought Police
By Chuck Colson
5/1/2007What the Hate Crimes Law Would Do
In George Orwell’s classic novel 1984, the government Thought Police constantly spies on citizens to make sure they are not thinking rebellious thoughts. Thought crimes are severely punished by Big Brother.
1984 was intended as a warning against totalitarian governments that enslave and control their citizens. Never have we needed this warning more urgently than now, because America’s Thought Police are knocking on your door.
Last week the House Judiciary Committee, egged on by radical homosexual groups, passed what can only be called a Thought Crimes bill. It’s called the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act. But this bill is not about hate. It’s not even about crime. It’s about outlawing peaceful speech—speech that asserts that homosexual behavior is morally wrong.
Some say we need this law to prevent attacks on homosexuals. But we already have laws against assaults on people and property. Moreover, according to the FBI, crimes against homosexuals in the United States have dropped dramatically in recent years. In 2005, out of 863,000 cases of aggravated assault, just 177 cases were crimes of bias against homosexuals—far less than even 1 percent.
Another problem is that in places where hate crimes laws have been passed, hate crimes have been defined to include verbal attacks—and even peaceful speech. The Thought Police have already prosecuted Christians under hate crimes laws in England, Sweden, Canada, and even in some places in the United States.
If this dangerous law passes, pastors who preach sermons giving the biblical view of homosexuality could be prosecuted. Christian businessmen who refuse to print pro-gay literature could be prosecuted. Groups like Exodus International, which offer therapy to those with unwanted same-sex attraction, could be shut down.
In classic 1984 fashion, peaceful speech will be redefined as a violent attack worthy of punishment.
This is the unspoken goal of activist groups. We know this because during the debate over the bill last week, Congressman Mike Pence (R) of Indiana offered a Freedom of Religion amendment to this hate crimes bill. It asked that nothing in this law limit the "religious freedom" of any person or group under the Constitution. The committee refused to adopt it. It also refused to adopt amendments protecting other groups from hate crimes—like members of the military, who are often targets of verbal attacks and spitting. They also shot down amendments that would protect the homeless and senior citizens, also often targeted by criminals. Nothing doing, the committee said—the only group they wanted to protect: homosexuals.
Clearly, the intent of this law is not to prevent crime, but to shut down freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of thought. Its passage would strike at the very heart of our democracy.
The full Congress may vote on this bill as early as this week. Unless you want Big Brother telling you what to say, what to think, and what to believe, I urge you to contact your congressman immediately, urging him or her to vote against this bill. If you visit the BreakPoint website, you’ll find more information about this radical law.
If we do nothing, 1984 will no longer be fiction, and Big Brother will be watching you and me—ready to punish the “wrong” thoughts.
^^^Read that editorial today.
Now while I'm not for anybody being hit or hurt, or even demeaned for race, gender, orientation, etc.....
I don't want somebody arresting my pastor because as a minister he gives the Bible's view on homosexuality.
Thoughts? [/B]
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Yes you have.You had once answeared my question.Hate crime is wrong but to arrest someone because of saying that being gay is wrong to others is taking away our freedom of speech.Am I right?jm
No, it's taking away your freedom of hate speech. A perfectly reasonable limitation.
Originally posted by StarhawkAnd you have yet to back up your own claim. Ironies abound.
When it comes to law, there is nothing you have to teach ME.You do understand nations publish yearly reports on criminal activity? And those are divided into sections detailing the percentage of that crime rate as it relates to such areas as.
Hate Crime
Violent Crime
White Collar Crime
Sex Related Offences
Murder Rate
etc...And from now on everytime you make a statement I will be there to make sure you back it up as well.
Plus there's the fact for supposedly being a law student, you're kind of a moron. So everything you say with your supposed 'expertise' I take with a big ass grain of salt.
Originally posted by Strangelove
And you have yet to back up your own claim. Ironies abound.Plus there's the fact for supposedly being a law student, you're kind of a moron. So everything you say with your supposed 'expertise' I take with a big ass grain of salt.
I have absolutely backed it up you asked for the figures, I gave them to you. You don't like the fact that they don't support your way of thinking on this issue you respond with immature insults. And I don't really care whether you accept facts or not. But these stats show that countries at that time without Hate Crime legislation such as the US and Britain had more then twice the hate crimes as Canada which has strong hate crime legislation. When the new figures come out next year we will see how Britain has done now that it has finally implemented hate crime legislation.
And Strangelove, if all your going to do is spam with insults then why even bother?
Originally posted by Starhawk
I have absolutely backed it up you asked for the figures, I gave them to you. You don't like the fact that they don't support your way of thinking on this issue you respond with immature insults. And I don't really care whether you accept facts or not. But these stats show that countries at that time without Hate Crime legislation such as the US and Britain had more then twice the hate crimes as Canada which has strong hate crime legislation. When the new figures come out next year we will see how Britain has done now that it has finally implemented hate crime legislation.And Strangelove, if all your going to do is spam with insults then why even bother?
Give an official source. Where did you get them from? Don't be a little pussy, debate like the grown ups do.
Yes you did.But it is still pointless if you think about it.Not everyone gets insulting from what you call these hate crimes.And we have the right as americans to say what we want without being judge.
Do you like to be judge on what you say to others?I don't think you do.Then why be arrested for it?jm
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Yes you did.But it is still pointless if you think about it.Not everyone gets insulting from what you call these hate crimes.And we have the right as americans to say what we want without being judge.
Do you like to be judge on what you say to others?I don't think you do.Then why be arrested for it?jm
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You don't have a right to say something if its to the detriment of the public. HATE is detrimental to the public.
Besides. This is SYMBOLIC legislation. And if we cant say that people shouldn't descriminte in this nation, I think democracy has failed.
Besides, you just hate gays, adn don't want to be told that your pig-headed views are wrong.