Originally posted by Starhawk
What part of I didn't look it up on the Internet, I got off my ass and went to an actual library is so hard for your to understand? If the figures came out on your side I think you would be a little less skeptical. I prefer information out of books or government reports since they have fact checkers as opposed to websites which do not. I don't see any of you getting off your lazy asses to find out any information.These aren't from books, they are reports, big thick files of paper full of statistics. And comparing it to a courtroom setting is asinine. If we were face to face I would be more then happy enough to take these and literally cram them down your throats to prove my point.
But this is all just a means to try and be rude because most of you don't like me.
So you guys are just going to troll the topic now?
Originally posted by Starhawk
No, I presented the stats on hate crime in 3 countries. If it favored your opinion you would gave no issue. Your just doing what any politician does, try to discredit those who don't share your beliefs.
...no you stated what you claim they are. You didn't present any evidence.
I on the other hand just went to my library at University and got following statistics:
Hate Crime Rates 2006
Canada around 70 per 1000 population cases nationwide.
US around 65 per 1000 population cases nationwide.
Britain 100
Now, this clearly shows that your theory is wrong, the laws do not help at all. You can see that Canada, despite the different History, much less racial differences and multiculturality has more hate crimes than the US. Your theory is wrong.
Yeah and because I always agree with my side, I'm just going to say Bardock is right and you can't ask him for evidence either, because that would just be hypocritical, when we can't do it neither can you...
You are an idiot if you think we need to prove your argument, it's your job to back up your claims not ours.
Edit: Sorry about the double post...
Oh about your nice statistics
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2005/table2.htm
That is an actual source you can check from the FBI. Now if you would calculate that with the low estimate of 300,000,000 Americans you would reach the conclusion that 1 in 41881 American citizens is the victim of a hatecrime...
And that 1 in 35799 people are somehow affected by hatecrimes... That's far less then 30 in 10,000. Your statistics are bullshit made up by you... So not only do you not show sources for your claims, your lying.
Edit: I couldn't find the statistics for Canada, I could however find a nice government report about it... You will especially interested in the conclusion in section 2.6.2. Looks like Canada's hate crime rate of which we have seen no official figure just went up with a factor of 10...
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/canadian/canada/justice/disproportionate-harm/dh-002-02.html#2-6
Originally posted by Bardock42
I feel that it is either not wrong or wrong on the whole. Meaning that if some random stranger saying that homosexuality is immoral can be charged then a pastor saying the same should too.
Also, the pastor would be charged for inciting a hate crime; the person would be charged for committing a hate crime. The pastor would be guilty even if he didn't say something to the effect of "go kill them queers."
Originally posted by FeceMan
Well, that would be the issue.Also, the pastor would be charged for inciting a hate crime; the person would be charged for committing a hate crime. The pastor would be guilty even if he didn't say something to the effect of "go kill them queers."
Is that in the legislation?
Originally posted by Fishy
Edit: Sorry about the double post...Oh about your nice statistics
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2005/table2.htm
That is an actual source you can check from the FBI. Now if you would calculate that with the low estimate of 300,000,000 Americans you would reach the conclusion that 1 in 41881 American citizens is the victim of a hatecrime...
And that 1 in 35799 people are somehow affected by hatecrimes... That's far less then 30 in 10,000. Your statistics are bullshit made up by you... So not only do you not show sources for your claims, your lying.
Edit: I couldn't find the statistics for Canada, I could however find a nice government report about it... You will especially interested in the conclusion in section 2.6.2. Looks like Canada's hate crime rate of which we have seen no official figure just went up with a factor of 10...
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/canadian/canada/justice/disproportionate-harm/dh-002-02.html#2-6
Those are FBI cases only, which only make up a fraction of Hate Crimes.
And that second one is not a government website.
And the fact that I couldn't find the figures on the internet is what lead me to the library in the first place.
Originally posted by Starhawk
Those are FBI cases only, which only make up a fraction of Hate Crimes.
And that second one is not a government website.And the fact that I couldn't find the figures on the internet is what lead me to the library in the first place.
The FBI deals with hate crimes, it's their job. They also have the responsibility to categorize crimes and create these statistics. They are accurate.
Also
http://www.justice.gc.ca/en/ps/rs/rep/1995/wd95-11a.pdf
There you go, exact same report this time from the Canadian justice website. Happy now?
Admit it, you were making them up.