The Thought Police (new hate crimes law)...

Started by Starhawk46 pages
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Not all people reather they are christian or not are against gays.There is no way of proving that as a fact.Just thought I would say that.There is no hate about it either.
It is to some people unature and yes a moral sin.Weather people argee with that or not it is there choice.But we should not go around forcing others to accept this which they are not going to anything.
So again why brother?jm 🙂

Because some of us actually care whether hate speech incites violence against people. And they are not forcing you to accept it. If you have an issue with it just keep it to yourself and not in a public place. There is nothing wrong with that.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Because some of us actually care whether hate speech incites violence against people. And they are not forcing you to accept it. If you have an issue with it just keep it to yourself and not in a public place. There is nothing wrong with that.

I thought inciting violence was always illegal? It's the moral dilemma of whether it's ok to make speeches and such which, offend people's beliefs and actions that's in question here. Or so I thought.

To me they are both utterly objectionable, but there are a lot of people (bigoted idiots) that don't. Not that I think this law will stop them.

It has done well in Canada as I have mentioned like 10 times before.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Because some of us actually care whether hate speech incites violence against people. And they are not forcing you to accept it. If you have an issue with it just keep it to yourself and not in a public place. There is nothing wrong with that.

Asking people to commit crimes is illegal anyway, so asking people to hurt homosexuals is also illegal, this law limits people's ability to say they think homosexuality is sick, wrong, morally disgusting or that all homosexuals should lawfully be put into jails...

They should be able to actually say that if they want, even the making homosexuality illegal thing, as it's people's right to change the law if they want to. As long as they don't hurt homosexuals until they change the law nothing is wrong with it.

Originally posted by Starhawk
It has done well in Canada as I have mentioned like 10 times before.

Only according to people with the same believes as you. People that think differentely could be really hurt by laws like this.

Originally posted by Fishy
this law limits people's ability to say they think homosexuality is sick, wrong, morally disgusting or that all homosexuals should lawfully be put into jails...

False

Originally posted by Devil King
False

Okay, so what does it do then? Make it illegal to commit crimes against gays? That's already illegal anyway.

Originally posted by Starhawk
It has done well in Canada as I have mentioned like 10 times before.
More like 50. But none of us care.

Originally posted by Strangelove
More like 50. But none of us care.

B-I-N-G-O

Originally posted by Starhawk
It has done well in Canada as I have mentioned like 10 times before.

As far as I'm aware Canada never had many groups of people who incited hate etc. Other countries however are different, and this law could not be enforced there.

Originally posted by Fishy

Only according to people with the same believes as you. People that think differentely could be really hurt by laws like this.

No they will not be hurt at all. They can still think whatever they like, just not promote it publicly. Nothing is wrong with that.

Originally posted by Fishy
Okay, so what does it do then? Make it illegal to commit crimes against gays? That's already illegal anyway.

You haven't read anything about this?

Originally posted by Starhawk
No they will not be hurt at all. They can still think whatever they like, just not promote it publicly. Nothing is wrong with that.

Also false

Originally posted by Devil King
You haven't read anything about this?

A lot of crap actually, I'm just going to go and read the thread again because I'm not entirely sure on everything anymore...

Re: Re: The Thought Police (new hate crimes law)...

Originally posted by meep-meep
That is actually sort of ridiculous. I have no prob with homosexuals. I believe homosexuals should be able to enjoy the same rights as anyone, including marriage and the benefits that come with it. But this is actually something that might be uncalled for. If a bunch of backwards homophobes want to organize in their place of worship and spout their anti-hoosexual nonsense, let them. Everyone already knows they are a dying breed, anyway. Let them have what little they have left.

On the other hand, SithSaber, you wouldn't be posting this because you are really concerned about free speech would you? This wouldn't be because you are a homophobe, would it?

Originally posted by Devil King
No one is going to loose any freedoms of speech, least of all religious hate mongers.

It will [b]never be illegal to call homosexuality morally wrong. If anyone on this board thinks that will be the case, you've bought into the religious right's lies. [/B]

Originally posted by Fishy
Okay, so what does it do then? Make it illegal to commit crimes against gays? That's already illegal anyway.

"Why We Need a Federal Hate-Crimes Law" by Judy Shepard and Joe Solmonese

Last month, 72-year-old Detroit resident Andrew Anthos was severely beaten with a metal pipe after being asked by a man if he was gay. He would later slip into a coma and ultimately die from the attack. His story comes shortly after the death of Nakia Ladelle Baker, a transgender woman who was found beaten to death in early January in a Nashville parking lot. In New York City a few months before these two murders, Michael Sandy was also killed in an antigay assault where he was beaten, chased into traffic, hit by a car, and then dragged off the road and attacked a second time by his assailants.

As gruesome and tragic as these stories are, they are but three heart-wrenching examples of the hundreds of anti-LGBT hate crimes that occur all over our country every year.

Fear of violence remains a horrible reality for millions of GLBT Americans—even in places that many consider “tolerant” or “progressive.” Every act of violence is tragic and harmful in its consequences, but not all crime is based on hate. A bias-motivated crime affects not only the victim and his or her family but an entire community or category of people and their families.

The current federal hate-crimes law, enacted nearly 40 years ago, covers only bias attacks based on race, ethnicity, national origin, and religion. In the case of a hate crime based on sexual orientation or gender identity, our government’s hands are tied: It doesn’t have the authority to go after perpetrators of anti-LGBT violent crime. It’s time to update the law to protect everyone.

. . . this law offers a real solution to combating anti-LGBT violence. It does so by accomplishing two very important goals.

First, the federal government gains the authority to prosecute anti-LGBT hate crimes. No matter how awful the crime, nor how compelling the evidence, the federal government simply cannot act without this law.

Second, this legislation will put crucial federal resources at the disposal of state and local agencies and equip local law enforcement officers with the tools they need to seek justice. There have been numerous hate-crimes cases where local jurisdictions simply lacked the full resources to prosecute the guilty. As an example, when Matthew Shepard was murdered in Laramie, Wyoming in 1998, the town had to scramble financially to handle the investigation, prosecution, and security required. The case ended up costing this small locality of roughly 28,000 people about $150,000 and the county sheriff’s department was ultimately forced to furlough five deputies to save money. The police department also incurred about $25,000 in overtime costs. Federal assistance would have been a huge help.

. . . The right wing is already launching its own full-scale effort to defeat the bill—and with few credible arguments against the law, those on the right have resorted to flat out lying. They actually argue that the law will criminalize thought and be used to persecute antigay churches. Nothing could be further from the truth. In the 39 years that the current hate-crimes law has been on the books, there has never been a single “thought crime” charge brought against anyone. And despite the far right’s complaints, there is something profoundly telling about the fact that mainstream religious leaders from nearly all 50 states converged on Capitol Hill in April to take the lead in lobbying for this bill.

[They do not want sexual orientation to join national origin, race, and religion as a protected class.]

I can't believe people would actually defend the right to preach hate and incite violence.

I can't believe that people could, in good conscience, oppress those who only wish to speak their minds.

And I don't know how many times I will have to say this, but speech that incites to riot or encourages violence is not protected speech. Get that through your thick skull.

Your definition of what could incite violence is lax then.

Originally posted by Starhawk
I can't believe people would actually defend the right to preach hate and incite violence.

It is not defending anything,It is the fact that you can be arrested for saying something.Again do we not live in the land of the free?How is this freedom of speech if you can't go around saying anything you want to say?jm 🙂

Originally posted by Starhawk
Your definition of what could incite violence is lax then.
Well that's a matter of opinion.