Wolverine

Originally posted by Disappear
i think what he's trying to say is that every time wolverine gets hit by the hulk, due solely to the sheer force the hulk puts out, logan should die and "heal" his injuries before passing on. not just get bumped around, with the healing factor somehow protecting him from such a fate. if you think about it, an "infinity of strength" should trump grey matter in an adamantium case anyday. i mean, it's at adamantium skeleton, not a vibranium one. force and kinetics and the whole shebang are still transferred through the metal, it just doesn'tt break. it seems like an exercise in jobbing; the whole concept of it, not just against the hulk.

edit: to jinzin, interpreting jack harkness

I don't get how people can sit there and say that a character can't do something they've done their entire carrer. He was dwesigned to be able to do it.

Its like saying that hulk's infinite strength is PIS. or that Storm's ability to control the weather is PIS. or Magneto being able to manipulate metal is PIS.

Like it or not its part of the character's powerset.

Though if anything you could argue that Hulk's infinite strength really is nothing more than hyperbole. Otherwise he'd always have to be at that infinite strength level. You can't have a protion of infinity. because infinity divided by anything is infinity.

But its still part of his character. Just as Wlverine's character is taking blows from really hard hits.

It's really rather assinine to say that he can't do something he's ALWAYS done.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I don't get how people can sit there and say that a character can't do something they've done their entire carrer. He was dwesigned to be able to do it.

Its like saying that hulk's infinite strength is PIS. or that Storm's ability to control the weather is PIS. or Magneto being able to manipulate metal is PIS.

Like it or not its part of the character's powerset.

Though if anything you could argue that Hulk's infinite strength really is nothing more than hyperbole. Otherwise he'd always have to be at that infinite strength level. You can't have a protion of infinity. because infinity divided by anything is infinity.

But its still part of his character. Just as Wlverine's character is taking blows from really hard hits.

It's really rather assinine to say that he can't do something he's ALWAYS done.

Yeah but it doesn't make sense thats the problem we have with it, try actually looking at our posts.

Originally posted by Jack Harkness
Yeah but it doesn't make sense thats the problem we have with it, try actually looking at our posts.

Ditch the double standard of holding one character up to logic and allowing others the suspension of disbelief. He was designed and intended to go up against the Hulk. So that's what he does. Get over it.

(and I saw the exchange between you and Soul Blade, and I'm sorry for thinking you were a troll)

Who's soul blade? Oh and no problem.

But it all makes reasonable sense, like they have a reason for it happening, the strength is part of Hulks power, but with Logan it just happens for no reason, not explained he just takes them, no amount of pain stress hold (Whats the term thats used) should keep him conscious.

I Like his Hulk fights, I think they have great chemistry, especially when its written right, the first fight was perfect, another fight I like is when he dodged dodged and used his brain, it was great and I supported Wolvy.

If they stopped him taking hits he shouldn't he would be fine.

Originally posted by Disappear
i think what he's trying to say is that every time wolverine gets hit by the hulk, due solely to the sheer force the hulk puts out, logan should die and "heal" his injuries before passing on. not just get bumped around, with the healing factor somehow protecting him from such a fate. if you think about it, an "infinity of strength" should trump grey matter in an adamantium case anyday. i mean, it's at adamantium skeleton, not a vibranium one. force and kinetics and the whole shebang are still transferred through the metal, it just doesn't break. it seems like an exercise in jobbing; the whole concept of it, not just against the hulk.

edit: to jinzin, interpreting jack harkness

Well if it makes a difference the narration has described that hulks punches were turning Logans insides into liguid but the healing factor was compensating so fast that his body was knitting itself together by the next punch.

Originally posted by Jack Harkness
Who's soul blade? Oh and no problem.

But it all makes reasonable sense, like they have a reason for it happening, the strength is part of Hulks power, but with Logan it just happens for no reason, not explained he just takes them, no amount of pain stress hold (Whats the term thats used) should keep him conscious.

I Like his Hulk fights, I think they have great chemistry, especially when its written right, the first fight was perfect, another fight I like is when he dodged dodged and used his brain, it was great and I supported Wolvy.

If they stopped him taking hits he shouldn't he would be fine.

If you really want some assinine reason then lets just say it's because Wolverine's the hand of God, it's possible to do the impossible for him, he's granted mystical protection.

Originally posted by Jack Harkness
Who's soul blade? Oh and no problem.

Originally posted by Jack Harkness
But it all makes reasonable sense,

Yet its part of his described power sense, despite not makeing any logical sense.

Originally posted by Jack Harkness
like they have a reason for it happening,

Originally posted by Jack Harkness
the strength is part of Hulks power, but with Logan it just happens for no reason,

Originally posted by Jack Harkness
not explained he just takes them, no amount of pain stress hold (Whats the term thats used) should keep him conscious.

Originally posted by Jack Harkness
I Like his Hulk fights, I think they have great chemistry, especially when its written right, the first fight was perfect, another fight I like is when he dodged dodged and used his brain, it was great and I supported Wolvy.

If they stopped him taking hits he shouldn't he would be fine.

Ahhhh!!!

It is Hulks power, it isn't Wolverines, his is a healing factor that shouldn't help with punches like that.

Originally posted by Jack Harkness
Ahhhh!!!

It is Hulks power, it isn't Wolverines, his is a healing factor that shouldn't help with punches like that.

Yet it nmaes no sense, and don't give me the double standards thing because thats his power, it also had proven he can't take his punches, it changes with the writer.

Originally posted by Jack Harkness
Yet it nmaes no sense, and don't give me the double standards thing because thats his power, it also had proven he can't take his punches, it changes with the writer.

It might not make sense to you but its perfectly logical. He's shown a consistant ability to take heavy hits when at full health. He's done it from his first appearence on.

You may not be able to understand it due to bais. That's the only reason I can think of for you to refuse to accept this fact.

You refuse to suspend disbelief for this character but do it willing for any other character?

I am sick of the biased shit so I am done. I have withheld calling you two certain names but you call me things that I find offensive so I don't care anymore.

Originally posted by Jack Harkness
I am sick of the biased shit so I am done. I have withheld calling you two certain names but you call me things that I find offensive so I don't care anymore.

What have I called you other than baised that I haven't apologized for?

I know you're just itching to call me a fanboy because I won't adhere to your double standard. and I imagine the other one is interchangable with a number of different insults to my intelligence.

Thats what I am annoyed about, you call me it and I don't like it, I just don't like stupid shit in comics, sorry I am not a fanboy.

....

Jack.

In comics, you see, physics? Medicine? Science as a whole?

It goes out the ****ing window.

It's why Spiderman doesn't punch THROUGH people with twenty tons of strength concentrated into his tiny little fist.

It's why Captain America's shield doesn't cut people in half.

It's why Superman EXISTS.

According to comic logic, Logan's healing factor is SO FAST, that, technically, he DOES get knocked out each time he's punched by the Hulk/Thing/Et Cetera.

His brain and internal organs turn to mush, and then NIGH-INSTANTANEOUSLY repair themselves. That's the comic book rationale. It makes about as much sense as anything else in comics.

If you're trying to hold Wolverine up to a different level of realism than any other character, well, then that is the DEFINITION of double standard. 😬.

We're given a comic book rationale for something that doesn't make sense - cosmic radiaton making you stretchy, for example.

That makes NO sense. But the comic book rationale is there.

We accept it.

We're given a comic book rationale for something that doesn't make sense - Logan's healing factor knitting him back together fast enough that a punch from the Hulk DOESN'T separate every bit of flesh from his skeleton.

That also makes little to NO sense. But it's the comic book rationale we're given, thusly?

We accept it.

Accepting one and not the other? Double standard.

😬.

Originally posted by Soljer
....

Jack.

In comics, you see, physics? Medicine? Science as a whole?

It goes out the ****ing window.

It's why Spiderman doesn't punch THROUGH people with twenty tons of strength concentrated into his tiny little fist.

It's why Captain America's shield doesn't cut people in half.

It's why Superman EXISTS.

According to comic logic, Logan's healing factor is SO FAST, that, technically, he DOES get knocked out each time he's punched by the Hulk/Thing/Et Cetera.

His brain and internal organs turn to mush, and then NIGH-INSTANTANEOUSLY repair themselves. That's the comic book rationale. It makes about as much sense as anything else in comics.

If you're trying to hold Wolverine up to a different level of realism than any other character, well, then that is the DEFINITION of double standard. 😬.

We're given a comic book rationale for something that doesn't make sense - cosmic radiaton making you stretchy, for example.

That makes NO sense. But the comic book rationale is there.

We accept it.

We're given a comic book rationale for something that doesn't make sense - Logan's healing factor knitting him back together fast enough that a punch from the Hulk DOESN'T separate every bit of flesh from his skeleton.

That also makes little to NO sense. But it's the comic book rationale we're given, thusly?

We accept it.

Accepting one and not the other? Double standard.

😬.

A good post.

If the kid doesn't get that I hold out nlittle hope for him.

🙂

You all missed my point completly.

Originally posted by Jack Harkness
You all missed my point completly.

My apologies, let's look back at your last 'point.'

Originally posted by Jack Harkness
I just don't like stupid shit in comics, sorry I am not a fanboy.

Hmmm...

So? I guess in addition to hating Wolverine's showings, every single Fantastic Four, X-Men, Spiderman, Hulk, Avengers, JLA, Superman, Green Lantern, Flash....

Hell, **** it;

In addition to hating Wolverine's showings, you also dislike every single 'superhero' comic printed to date?

They are all full of this 'stupid shit.'

😬.

No its the stupid shit in Wolverine comics of the last few years.