Wolverine

Started by Dum Dum Dugan56 pages

Originally posted by -Pr-
It could be something as simple as semantics. Mystique knows Logan pretty well, doesn't she?

honestly not really. I mean she known him a long time but it not been a close relationship be any imagination. In fact he screwed her over the first time they met. She not professor x or any thing resembling expert on wolverine. Which would explain the "May be", because frankly I dont think she knows.

If came out of say jublee, storm, night crawler, colossus, scot I be inclined to agree, but they have no need to say may, they know.

However thats just my opinion, take it if you wish or not. may be could indicate fact or not fact it debatable especially from Raven of all people. Speed thing especially does not sit right with me more so then the comment about strength. He done nothing to suggest superior speed and in fact has seem slower.

Also I also like to note Wolverine (non demon) in hell with out adamatium has been doing things like ripping demons wings off, just food for thought.

Demon Wolverine- "We are not the Logan you knew, dearest Raven. We are an improvement in every conceivable way. If you would wish to weep or soil yourself, I suggest you do it quickly woman."

Mystique- "You may be stronger and faster than Logan, I'll give you that...but you're still just as stupid."

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It's very cut and dry, he most definetly is stronger then before. Not sure why there is an arguement really.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Demon Wolverine- "We are not the Logan you knew, dearest Raven. [B]We are an improvement in every conceivable way. If you would wish to weep or soil yourself, I suggest you do it quickly woman."

Mystique- "You may be stronger and faster than Logan, I'll give you that...but you're still just as stupid."

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It's very cut and dry, he most definetly is stronger then before. Not sure why there is an arguement really. [/B]

works for me.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Speed thing especially does not sit right with me more so then the comment about strength. He done nothing to suggest superior speed and in fact has seem slower.

Concerning the speed/strength comment, how else do you explain this?

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Wolverine was thrown out of the building (and clear of it) and in seconds he was back and knocking Colossus through multiple floors.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Concerning the speed/strength comment, how else do you explain this?

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Wolverine was thrown out of the building (and clear of it) and in seconds he was back and knocking Colossus through multiple floors.


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Originally posted by -K-M-
Demon Wolverine- "We are not the Logan you knew, dearest Raven. [B]We are an improvement in every conceivable way. If you would wish to weep or soil yourself, I suggest you do it quickly woman."

Mystique- "You may be stronger and faster than Logan, I'll give you that...but you're still just as stupid."

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It's very cut and dry, he most definetly is stronger then before. Not sure why there is an arguement really. [/B]


but clearly he wasent when normal wolverine is beating the shit out of the devil. Honestly may be does not indicate fact, nor does raven an expert on wovlerine. Trying to prentend oter wise is absurd.
What as they done stronger let a lone faster? Can you trully tell me that what devil wolverine has displayed is faster then wolverine? In combat he seemed slower far from superior

Haha Dum, Dum.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
She say MAY, not are. If he was deffiently stronger and faster there be zero reason to say MAY. Which indicates it not a fact and also indicates if perhaps there is an upgrade it minimal at best. He done nothing out side his strength let a lone speed, if anything he seems slower.

your interpretation is just horrific, you want 'may' to be read the way you have understood it , with bias towards wolverine

tut tut 🙄

Originally posted by jalek moye
No you can use may for facts people do all the time.

"You may be stronger then me, but I'm faster than you"

Its a common way to use may. It can be used for possibility but it is stil lcommonly speech for fact also when used in certain context


Originally posted by -K-M-

It's very cut and dry, he most definetly is stronger then before. Not sure why there is an arguement really.

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agreed

Oh my Dum Dum.

Alright lets think this through about why we should listen to Mystiques comment (well we also got confirmation from demon wolverine he is amped, but regardess). Not only has Wolverine and Mystique been enemies for years and have fought countless times, and not only does she have records on the X-men during her time with the Brotherhood and not only were they on the X-Men together but they even were lovers in 1921.

Cyclops: "You (Wolverine) and Mystique have quiet the long history"

So saying that Mystique doesnt know a thing or two about Wolverine, now that is absurd 😬

Teehee! This stuff is getting comical.

Let's all agree on what reality is: The only reason for people pushing for the stips of the arc so hard is because of Colossus.

Wolveriners want to protect the idea he can cut big C.
Collosers want to protect the idea that Wolverine can't.

In the end none of it matters too much because Marvel left it largely ambiguous, and probably on purpose (as someone pointed out when the previous issue hit shelves @ Wolverine "skranging" off Collosus' skin with his first strike and then letting blood with each other. It's like they skim through places like KMC and leave it up to debate to keep the interest so that we bite the next time they put these two at odds... like we did last month).

I will say this:
Mystiques comment IS geared to ensure that Wolverine was physically amped. It's a classic "if it wasn't important, why did they bring it up?" moment.

HOWEVER:
To what degree is a mystery.

Bottem line is that I can accept that he was amped, what I can't accept is that he produced feats in that arc that were clearly the display of said ampage.

Seriously what did he do that was an immense display of strength?

-Cutting Collosus? Well considering the jury's still out on that one, nu-uh.

-Dropping through multiple floors of the X-mansion? It's hard to legitimize as a display of strength. Omega Red's falling body went through a couple of floors when he got let go from altitude. How could Wolverine push through those floors with strength if he was coming off of a wide arc? If he had stomped Collosus through the floors from a standing position, then THAT'D be a strength feat, but as it looks, it was the result of two heavy bodies falling through them someway...somehow.... Like I said, largely ambiguous.

As asked earlier "What do YOU see" in those panels?
Because I personally did not see anything to suggest, Wolverine jumped back the fight, but he was on fire when he came back, maybe he used his TK? IDK, and neither does anyone else.

-Then there's him yanking GR off his bike. Now THAT is about the best thing coming close to a strength feat he displayed but it could easily be a feat that hinges on his Adamantium skeleton. He obviously didn't just yank GR off at a whim, he had to slow down the bikes momentum by digging his claws into the ground (and it's frankly a little surprising THAT didn't send the bike into disarray) acting like an anchor, then digging his heals into the ground.
I mean, sure it's impressive... but is it something that's truly far and away outside of Logan's capabilities? Should I believe that Captain America who's stopped a speeding car in it's tracks by grabbing it's bumper is stronger than this possessed and amped Wolverine?
Honestly, Wolverine's put craters into the concrete ground, and metal walls with his fists, even casually, and underwater the fact that some assphalt got crumbled up doesn't do much to me to impress.

Mystique's comment is the only "clear" indication/insinuation of a strength/speed upgrade (y'know if you don't want to butcher the English language)... It's the only reason to put credence into the notion that Wolverine was.... even though Mystique's interactions with Hellverine were incredibly shortlived and not worthy of such praise.

Speaking of which; if Wolverine was incredibly amped beyond his norm, why wasn't he punching holes through people? One would think an attack would have more effect than normal. He didn't even manage to put his claws as deep into Mystique as he did the last time they fought, in the desert, while Logan was weakened from 3 days without food or sleep, and recovering from being blown up, shot, and blown up again.... 😐

Like I said, I can accept that he was amped, if you guys can accept that he really didn't do anything clearly notable WITH that amp. 😬

I take it as a case where writers aren't sure how to write it so they say he's amped and just show him with more powers but doing normal stuff for the most part. *shrug*

Originally posted by jalek moye
I take it a sa case where writers aren't sure how to write it so they say ehs amped and just show him with more pwoers but doing normal stuff for the most part. *shrug*

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Originally posted by jinzin
Like I said, I can accept that he was amped, if you guys can accept that he really didn't do anything clearly notable WITH that amp. 😬

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Yeah he used more foreign powers then his physical traits. I wouldn't lump myself in the "Collosers want to protect the idea that Wolverine can't" category though.

tbh, it's not about colossus as you might think...

Fair enough, I was speaking in generalities.

Originally posted by -Pr-
tbh, it's not about colossus as you might think...

LIES! 😠

Originally posted by jinzin
LIES! 😠

😂

FYI, if anyone is interested the Hell story is being continued in Namor #6, as he just got dragged to hell himself. They blamed Wolverine for it as he just escaped and weakened the walls between the two worlds.

Originally posted by jinzin

Like I said, I can accept that he was amped, if you guys can accept that he really didn't do anything clearly notable WITH that amp. 😬

He's amped significantly :

see him toss these cars