HOM Wanda vs MJJ vs Hyperstorm

Wanda was the CAUSE of the Chaos Wave, that Roma could Not Ascertain

Wanda was Generating the Chaos Wave.

Wanda Remade the 616 Reality

"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again"

Wanda was Driving the Chaos Wave into other Realities, like when it hit OtherWorld

"it is the End ... of ALL that is ... of ALL that will Ever be"

THIS SAME Chaos Wave brought back Jaspers 616 from another Plane of Reality:

THIS SAME Chaos Wave is referred to as "Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp"

in the Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe v5 2006.

In THREE separate Bios

1. "During the Scarlet Witch's 'House of M' Reality Warp, Jaspers Reformed alive merged with the Fury"

(excerpt from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe)

2. "Mad Jim Jaspers has also returned, brought back to life by the Scarlet Witch's recent Reality Warp"

And as I presented above, it was the Chaos Wave that manifested Jaspers 616 from another Plane. (he was dead)

3. Wanda gave Layla the power to "Perceive Divergent Realities"

"Layla showed Cage glimpses of his life prior to the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp"

"We are witnessing a Trans-Temporal Tsunami, ORIGINATING from Earth 616

apparently there has been a Alteration of global proportions that has Breached the Walls of Causality"

there's a "Breach in the Walls of Causality"...

that was caused by a "global Alteration" ...

and there's a "Trans-Temporal Tsunami" going through the "Breach" into other Realities ...

The "Trans-Temporal Tsunami" is the Chaos Wave,

Now what's Causing that?

Roma has no idea what's CAUSING that, as she continues to say,

"the Localized Effects are so Severe, I am UNABLE to Ascertain the Cause"

Hence the OHOTMU 2006, telling us it was the "Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp"

The "Trans-Temporal Tsunami" is coming from the 616 Reality,

guess what's happening in the 616 Reality?

"Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp"

More conclusive PROOF that the Chaos Wave was Wanda's Power.

(from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2006 Saturnyne bio)

"She (Saturnyne) was later present on Otherworld when Dimension-616

was Engulfed in the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp ...

Saturnyne showed little hesitation in suggesting destroying 616 to Prevent the Warp SPREADING"

Here is that scene On Panel,

Satynyne talking about the Chaos Wave or as the Official Bio puts it,

the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp:

"Your Dimension is a Cancer, bringing Devastation to Branes ALL ALONG the SIDEREAL STRING ...

Sparing Yours condemns the REST"

"If the breach is not sealed, the Chaos Wave will continue to expand,

perhaps to the ASCENTION itself"

Roma threatens to erase the 616 UNIVERSE in 48 hours,

if Captain Britain and company can't seal the (Chaos Wave) breach:

Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp

HoM Wanda Aftershock

With the line "No More mutants",

Wanda managed to shift Reality causing cracks across "ALL" Realities.

Allowing the Shadow King to slip back into the 616 universe.

Balasco from his Realm sees Two siblings (Magneto & Wanda)

"Force ALL of Reality to CHANGE"

"She changed the World once huh?"

"Yes, ... but She Altered ALL of Reality"

Thanks to your habit of reposting all i need do is post a link to your own thread in which i swatted aside a virtually identical Wanda HOM argument quite thoroughly:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/425758_36-everything-cosmic-in-marvel-the-hierarchy-battles-feats-q-a-scans-galore

On top of that saying "all of reality" is an ambiguous, inconclusive statement and unless defined by conclusive art or further description cant be used as conclusive evidence to prove your point, when it itself is inconclusive.

All of reality for what? Wheres teh defined scale. We know she didnt warp the entire multiverse, yet the lines so ambiguous someone without knowledge of the event could interpret it so.

All of the universe? That line can be interpreted so and yet no scale is determined so that too is not definitive and still a possibility.

All of Earths reality? Another possibility as the sentence has no scale, however when you look through continuity you can also see that the scale of the warp has been defined and various times on panel:

Uncanny X-men 462

Romas "global alteration"

Exiles 70

"The WORLD burned white. Welcome to House of M"

"Earth 616 has been transformed while they were away"

Exiles 72

"The House of M reality has once again been revised. The Exiles were forced to withdraw leaving Beak and Angel to face, whatever fate has befallen EARTH 616"

Uncanny X-men 475:

"The Scarlet Witch lost her mind and used her mutant power to alter reality transforming the WORLD"

Scale of the warp is defined as global and of being confined to the world, earth 616. No ambiguous open to interpretation "she transformed reality", "she did this to all reality" BULLSH*T

Show me a scan saying that she transformed the entire universe into House of M or this is pretty much done and dusted.

Anyone interested in seeing the "Wanda warped the entire universe and made the chaos wave which messed up all the multiverse idea" shot down in flames, please visit this thread:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/425758_36-everything-cosmic-in-marvel-the-hierarchy-battles-feats-q-a-scans-galore

Thank you 🙂

You made your point and I made mine.

You used the back of the front page of three Comics as proof,

plus one quote from Roma that I easily explained away up top.

I used plenty of On Panel art and character statements,

and SEVERAL Official Marvel Handbook Bios to make my case.

Let the onlookers decide. 🙂

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3397/newexcalibur08page20ra5.jpg

This scan seals the deal. How else did the Shadow King get back into Reality 616.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You made your point and I made mine.

You used the back of the front page of three Comics as proof,

plus one quote from Roma that I easily explained away up top.

I used plenty of On Panel art and character statements,

and SEVERAL Official Marvel Handbook Bios to make my case.

Let the onlookers decide. 🙂

All of your statements were ambiguous and open to interpretation, not one of them mentioned the scale of the warp, my evidence defines it as global, restricts it to Earth 616. That plus the fact that on panel, we only ever saw her warp Earth 616 says alot 🙁

Please find some evidence actually defining the scale, or give it a rest kid 😉

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3397/newexcalibur08page20ra5.jpg

This scan seals the deal. How else did the Shadow King get back into Reality 616.

✅

But don't bother,

because if it threatens the Phoenix's status,

GS will demean it.

GS, one huge problem with your interpretation. If it was just earth 616, why is Mad Jim Jaspers back, and merged with the fury? hmm

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3397/newexcalibur08page20ra5.jpg

This scan seals the deal. How else did the Shadow King get back into Reality 616.

To play devil's advocate the spatial size of the warp may have been planet sized but cross into various dimensions.

Also a fracture in one reality must lead somewhere so a fracture in 616 could easily have lead to the place SK was sealed.

But that doesn't explain why MJJ is back.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3397/newexcalibur08page20ra5.jpg

This scan seals the deal. How else did the Shadow King get back into Reality 616.

By a crack formed in reality as a result of Wanda warping Earth 616. Simple as.

Roma and the handbooks stated Jaspers only actually warped the planet and yet the affects of that action were felt by the whole of reality.

In numerous scans ive posted, the scale of the warp is actually defined. It was global.

This scan and all of Mr Masters just show that there were bigger than global consequences. 😉

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
GS, one huge problem with your interpretation. If it was just earth 616, why is Mad Jim Jaspers back, and merged with the fury? hmm

The warping of Earth caused a dimensional tear in the dimensional walls which separate realities. This resulted in the chas wave. The Chaos Wave spun out of control and and reached Otherworld.

The Chaos Wave was something the warping set off, its not something Wanda directly created, but something her power proved a catalyst for.

Whats being debated here is the scale of the reality warp. How far did Wanda extend the HOM reality. That was the actual feat and the answer to that question is Earth 616.

Originally posted by Mr Master
✅

But don't bother,

because if it threatens the Phoenix's status,

GS will demean it.

Phoenixes feats threaten Beyonders status which is why for the past year you've made it your goal to lower it as far down in the hierarchy as you can, by hyping up the feats of others. 🙂

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
To play devil's advocate the spatial size of the warp may have been planet sized but cross into various dimensions.

Also a fracture in one reality must lead somewhere so a fracture in 616 could easily have lead to the place SK was sealed.

You're smart. We need to debate sometime. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
By a crack formed in reality as a result of Wanda warping Earth 616. Simple as.

Roma and the handbooks stated Jaspers only actually warped the planet and yet the affects of that action were felt by the whole of reality.

This is absolute bull shit

Jaspers Warped the 616 Universe, On Panel and in the Bios.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
In numerous scans ive posted, the scale of the warp is actually defined. It was global.

So my NUMEROUS Scans stating and depicting Wanda Warping the 616 Reality

or ALL of Reality are inconsequetial,

and your ONE On Panel Scan that was explained away says it all.

I'm not going to count your 3 Scans of the back of Covers.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
This scan and all of Mr Masters just show that there were bigger than global consequences.

😆

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The warping of Earth caused a dimensional tear in the dimensional walls which separate realities. This resulted in the chas wave. The Chaos Wave spun out of control and and reached Otherworld.

The Chaos Wave was something the warping set off, its not something Wanda directly created, but something her power proved a catalyst for.

Whats being debated here is the scal eof the reality warp. How far did Wanda extend the HOM reality. That was the actual feat and the answer to that question is Earth 616.

You're so full of shit duke.

This proves you're not debating,

just carrying out an AGENDA.

I just posted an insurmountable amount of evidence that directly states,

Wanda generated and fueled the Chaos Wave with HER OWN Power.

To what lengths you'l go. 😆

Jaspers was created by the Chaos Wave. It eroded the dimensional walls within Otherworld causing all reality, all order within to not make sense, to become chaotic. As such amid that chaos a Fury/Jaspers merge was created.

Not through Wandas doing, but through the Chaos Wave she unwittingly set off by creating a dimensional tear by accident as she warped reality and brought about House of M on Earth as stated.