Originally posted by CasanoVa
Punisher doesn't rely on MA, therefore he isn't primarily a martial artist.I can study chemistry for 20 years, but work in Mcdonalds. That doesn't make my occupation a chemist, I'm still a lowly Mcdonald worker.
I hope that analogy makes sense 😬.
I understand what your saying but the problem is there are loads of showings were Punisher uses MA. Just because there are some were he doesnt does not make him any less an MA. Thats like saying Wolverine is slow because sometimes he allows himself to be hit.
Frank doesnt need to rely on MA to be an MA he has sto study and apply it and Frank does on a regular basis.
The analogy doesnt make sense because eventhough you work at McDonalds that doesnt stop you from being a damn good Chemist you just dont apply it because of your job.
Also analysing the analogy Chemist skills = Ma skills Working at MCD's= relying on other thing. The problem with your analogy is that if Chemistry knowledge is MA skill then you dont get to use them EVER, but Frank has used his MA skills loads of times.
In other words what your saying is that Frank is like the Chemist at McD's he doesnt get to apply his knowledege, but the fact of the matter is Frank does time and time again.
P.S. I understand you, but I dont agree.
Originally posted by Alfheim
I understand what your saying but the problem is there are loads of showings were Punisher uses MA. Just because there are some were he doesnt does not make him any less an MA. Thats like saying Wolverine is slow because sometimes he allows himself to be hit.The analogy doesnt make sense because eventhough you work at McDonalds that doesnt stop you from being a damn good Chemist you just dont apply it because of your job.
Also analysing the analogy Chemist skills = Ma skills Working at MCD's= relying on other thing. The problem with your analogy is that if Chemistry knowledge is MA skill then you dont get to use them EVER, but Frank has used his MA skills loads of times.
P.S. I understand you, but I dont agree.
IMO Frank uses guns probably about x10 the amount he uses his MA skills.
And I think the analogy makes sense, I never said working at Mcdonalds stops you from being a good chemist, but it stops you from being able to tell people your occupation is a chemist. You're just a Mcdonalds worker with good chemistry knowledge.
but yes, you don't exactly apply your chemistry skills whilst working at Mcdonalds, you never know though. I still think that in a fight Frank 9/10 would go to draw for his guns than straight Martial Arts, I'd see that as a contingency plan, he doesn't go into situations wanting to use them; but he has the skills if he needs them.
Originally posted by CasanoVa
IMO Frank uses guns probably about x10 the amount he uses his MA skills.And I think the analogy makes sense, I never said working at Mcdonalds stops you from being a good chemist, but it stops you from being able to tell people your occupation is a chemist. You're just a Mcdonalds worker with good chemistry knowledge.
but yes, you don't exactly apply your chemistry skills whilst working at Mcdonalds, you never know though. I still think that in a fight Frank 9/10 would go to draw for his guns than straight Martial Arts, I'd see that as a contingency plan, he doesn't go into situations wanting to use them; but he has the skills if he needs them.
Thats fair enough. However I still think that eventhough he uses his guns more than his MA skill Frank still uses his MA skills enough times to be considered to be an MA.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Hey wait a minute it thought it was you just being wierd...you know your humour can be a bit twisted you know. You mean did as in killed? He killed runaway kids?
Look.
Punisher recently encountered the runaways , black adam was deriding that. You asked whom the little kids were, I told you.
In an earlier post I stated Punisher wouldn't feel bad about murdering them, because ' He's an *******'.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well I dont entirely agree with all his views, but maybe you should wait till your whole family gets gunned down in front of you before you judge. 😉
That still doesn't justify how Frank thinks of himself as the judge, jury and executioner.
People deserve a fair trial, even criminals
Originally posted by Grimm22
That still doesn't justify how Frank thinks of himself as the judge, jury and executioner.People deserve a fair trial, even criminals
Someone did that to my family, I'd be out there doing the exact same thing. I sure as hell wouldn't last as long, probably be dead or behind bars within the week, wouldn't really matter though.
People deserve a fail trial because that's what you've been brought up to believe, if the tradition in America was that police shoot litterers in the head on sight and that had always been like that, I doubt you'd think twice about it. You just wouldn't litter.
He's not a villain, he's just a little ****ed in the head, he thinks of himself as a force unto itself. With him the ends justify the means I guess, but yeah..
Originally posted by CasanoVa
Someone did that to my family, I'd be out there doing the exact same thing. I sure as hell wouldn't last as long, probably be dead or behind bars within the week, wouldn't really matter though.People deserve a fail trial because that's what you've been brought up to believe, if the tradition in America was that police shoot litterers in the head on sight and that had always been like that, I doubt you'd think twice about it. You just wouldn't litter.
He's not a villain, he's just a little ****ed in the head, he thinks of himself as a force unto itself. With him the ends justify the means I guess, but yeah..
I don't think he's a villain, but he sure as hell isn't a hero, either 😬
And I don't say that everyone deserves a fair chance at justice, because it's what "I've been brought up to believe", I say that because I KNOW its the right thing too do.
In the end, Frank is just a soldier who was thrown back into war, when he lost his family. He think's he's fighting a war, not protecting people
Originally posted by Grimm22
I don't think he's a villain, but he sure as hell isn't a hero, either 😬And I don't say that everyone deserves a fair chance at justice, because it's what "I've been brought up to believe", I say that because I KNOW its the right thing too do.
Mmmmkay, sure.
If you were brought up someplace where Punisher's tactics were common-place as a form of law-enforcement, you would know no otherwise.
You only say that a fair trial is necessary because you have had the benefit of living in a place where a fair trial is very much demanded.
I'm not arguing that it's not the right thing, that it's only the right thing in our modern society and people from a different perspective may not view it as the right thing.
Originally posted by CasanoVa
Mmmmkay, sure.If you were brought up someplace where Punisher's tactics were common-place as a form of law-enforcement, you would know no otherwise.
You only say that a fair trial is necessary because you have had the benefit of living in a place where a fair trial is very much demanded.
I'm not arguing that it's not the right thing, that it's only the right thing in our modern society and people from a different perspective may not view it as the right thing.
Well you're right there 😬
But, the point still remains that, just because you're raised to believe something doesn't necessarily mean you will follow those beliefs
Originally posted by grey fox
Look.Punisher recently encountered the runaways , black adam was deriding that. You asked whom the little kids were, I told you.
In an earlier post I stated Punisher wouldn't feel bad about murdering them, because ' He's an *******'.
Er ok.
Originally posted by Grimm22
That still doesn't justify how Frank thinks of himself as the judge, jury and executioner.People deserve a fair trial, even criminals
I agree. Im just saying before you criticize somebody try to put yourself in that persons shoes. How would you react if your family were gunned down in front of you and nobody did something about? Sometimes its really easy to judge when your not in pain.
You remind of this guy who said he was half dead because he had seen half his friends gunned down in front of him. This girl just screwed up her face and said "Have you been to church." 🤨
Originally posted by Grimm22
I don't think he's a villain, but he sure as hell isn't a hero, either 😬And I don't say that everyone deserves a fair chance at justice, because it's what "I've been brought up to believe", I say that because I KNOW its the right thing too do.
In the end, Frank is just a soldier who was thrown back into war, when he lost his family. He think's he's fighting a war, not protecting people
Now imagine your family is murder horribly before your eyes and you are left for dead. Your government will do nothing to these people and you know they still walk this world free of the crime they had committed and will commit more crimes unpunished.
Now you know with your training and experience you can make these people pay for there actions and save many lives.
Now the act of killing these people is illegal yet when you were in war you commit the same acts against people who were far less terrible.
So you have to look at it through punisher's own eyes. In war he killed many people, most of which if not all did not deserve to die as badly as the men who had killed his family, yet it was legal for him to kill those individuals, yet not ones who deserve it more.
So you can not judge his actions unless you have lived a life similar to his.
Originally posted by capt it up
Ok now imagine that you are one if not the greatest Marines to ever live. You have been trained forged into a killing machine one who has committed some of the worst acts ever seen. You did this all according to the law of your own government. It was all consider legally and you were praised and honored by your government for these actions.Now imagine your family is murder horribly before your eyes and you are left for dead. Your government will do nothing to these people and you know they still walk this world free of the crime they had committed and will commit more crimes unpunished.
Now you know with your training and experience you can make these people pay for there actions and save many lives.
Now the act of killing these people is illegal yet when you were in war you commit the same acts against people who were far less terrible.
So you have to look at it through punisher on eyes. In war he killed many people, most of which if not all did not deserve to die as badly as the men who had killed his family, yet it was legal for him to kill those individuals, yet not ones who deserve it more.
So you can not judge his actions unless you have live a live similar to his.
I totally agree. Im not saying its right im saying I can fully understand why Frank does it.