Originally posted by Tha C-MasterHe's not a hero at all, he's a villain.
Punisher is more or less chaotic good. He wants to do things for the better, but he doesn't do it in the way Cap or Spiderman would do it. He's kind of an antihero like Wolverine.
Originally posted by Alfheiman·ti·he·ro also an·ti-he·ro (ān'tē-hîr'ō, ān'tī-) Pronunciation Key
Hes an anti-hero. 😐
Originally posted by capt it up
Ok now imagine that you are one if not the greatest Marines to ever live. You have been trained forged into a killing machine one who has committed some of the worst acts ever seen. You did this all according to the law of your own government. It was all consider legally and you were praised and honored by your government for these actions.Now imagine your family is murder horribly before your eyes and you are left for dead. Your government will do nothing to these people and you know they still walk this world free of the crime they had committed and will commit more crimes unpunished.
Now you know with your training and experience you can make these people pay for there actions and save many lives.
Now the act of killing these people is illegal yet when you were in war you commit the same acts against people who were far less terrible.
So you have to look at it through punisher's own eyes. In war he killed many people, most of which if not all did not deserve to die as badly as the men who had killed his family, yet it was legal for him to kill those individuals, yet not ones who deserve it more.
So you can not judge his actions unless you have lived a life similar to his.
That's what I said 😐
He's a soldier who never really left the war.
But, that still doesn't justify what he does
Originally posted by Juntai
an·ti·he·ro also an·ti-he·ro (ān'tē-hîr'ō, ān'tī-) Pronunciation Key
n. pl. an·ti·he·roes also an·ti-he·roes
A main character in a dramatic or narrative work who is characterized by a lack of traditional heroic qualities, such as idealism or courage.
😆
Well, he IS the main character of his series, and he DOES lack pretty much EVERY traditional heroic quality....
Originally posted by Juntai
an·ti·he·ro also an·ti-he·ro (ān'tē-hîr'ō, ān'tī-) Pronunciation Key
n. pl. an·ti·he·roes also an·ti-he·roes
A main character in a dramatic or narrative work who is characterized by a lack of traditional heroic qualities, such as idealism or courage.
Yeah....and?
Originally posted by Grimm22
That's what I said 😐He's a soldier who never really left the war.
But, that still doesn't justify what he does
In some cases......
Originally posted by JuntaiHe's an antihero, he fits the definition. Just like Akuma and several other characters who kill, but ultimately don't do it for evil.
He's not a hero at all, he's a villain.
He's just lucky he doens't run into Metropolis with that crap.
Originally posted by JuntaiYou just proved my own point to me, thanks. It's not so much what he does, it's why he does it. No different from people in real life.
an·ti·he·ro also an·ti-he·ro (ān'tē-hîr'ō, ān'tī-) Pronunciation Key
n. pl. an·ti·he·roes also an·ti-he·roes
A main character in a dramatic or narrative work who is characterized by a lack of traditional heroic qualities, such as idealism or courage.
Originally posted by Grimm22
He doesn't only kill murderersHe kills basically ALL criminals, even ones who really don't deserve it
Well nobodies perfect. It could be argued that people like Cap and Spiderman should kill certain villains because the villains keep coming back to kill more people ie The Joker. If Batman had killed The Joker 100s of lives would have been saved.
People like Frank are like REAL humans. Eventhough Cap is my favourite super-hero most people are not like that in real life. Frank does what a normal person would probably do in his situation.
Originally posted by AlfheimI have to say I actually agree with you on the humanity part. 🙂
Well nobodies perfect. It could be argued that people like Cap and Spiderman should kill certain villains because the villains keep coming back to kill more people ie The Joker.People like Frank are like REAL humans. Eventhough Cap is my favourite super-hero most people are not like that in real life. Frank does what a normal person would probably do in his situation.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterDoes he also fit these descriptions?
He's an antihero, he fits the definition. Just like Akuma and several other characters who kill, but ultimately don't do it for evil.You just proved my own point to me, thanks. It's not so much what he does, it's why he does it. No different from people in real life.
Villain
1. A wicked or evil person; someone who does evil deliberately
2. A dramatic or fictional character who is typically at odds with the hero.
Murderer
1. To kill (another human) unlawfully.
2. To kill brutally or inhumanly.
Evil
1. The quality of being morally bad or wrong; wickedness.
2. That which causes harm, misfortune, or destruction
3. An evil force, power, or personification.
4. Something that is a cause or source of suffering, injury, or destruction
Originally posted by Alfheim'Normal' people don't go on worldwide killing sprees.
Well nobodies perfect. It could be argued that people like Cap and Spiderman should kill certain villains because the villains keep coming back to kill more people ie The Joker. If Batman had killed The Joker 100s of lives would have been saved.People like Frank are like REAL humans. Eventhough Cap is my favourite super-hero most people are not like that in real life. Frank does what a normal person would probably do in his situation.
Meh... Emma Frost will selectively erase happy memories, she'll violate a crowd of people because they're annoying, she'll subvert the law with her money and connections, she's a psychic adulterer, she'll completely mindf*ck people, she attacked her own team, and she's even willing to kill relatively innocent people if it's pragmatic...
She's still technically a hero. Of course she used to be a villain I suppose which gives her some leeway...
Originally posted by Juntai
'Normal' people don't go on worldwide killing sprees.
Normal people dont have the training that Frank does. Im pretty sure that if your family were killed in front of you AND nobody did anything to bring them to justice and you had the means to take revenge....this is what you would do...you would call them up talk to them and tell them off about how bad they have been and you would all end up holding hands around the globe singing carols.
Oh yeah what about Batman not killing Joker?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Meh... Emma Frost will selectively erase happy memories, she'll violate a crowd of people because they're annoying, she'll subvert the law with her money and connections, she's a psychic adulterer, she'll completely mindf*ck people, she attacked her own team, and she's even willing to kill relatively innocent people if it's pragmatic...She's still technically a hero. Of course she used to be a villain I suppose which gives her some leeway...
She sounds like a horrible person but people like Xavier piss me off as well.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
She's practically perfect in every way, I'll have you know. 313
Ha! I know you would like her...I dunno again the thing with Emma is that she seems like a human being. Eventhough Cap is my favourite hero sometime hes doent seem like a real person because hes just too....nice.
I dont know much about Emma but I suspect like alot of people in rea life she started out as a normal person but people ****ed her over alot and then she became a b*tch. In that case eventhough I dont agree wit her action I can understand because she is just behaving in a rational sort of way.