The best things about the film were...
1.) The Humor (Especially how Spidey reacted after fighting Sand-Man for the first time 😆 )
2.) Venom!: The look was dead on! Hell everything about him was dead-on. But, Nooo! They had to go and *kill* him in the end 😒
3.)Bruce Cambell: Because you can never have too much Cambell
The action was good...but it had too many awkward, lame "funny" scenes and lines that made me cringe.
It was like hearing the "Do you know what happens to toad...?" line again and again....
Also it was too rushed. They made the same mistake with X-3 where they crammed as many half-thought out plotlines as possible....
Re: Spiderman 3…Huge potential, failed to live up to it
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
** SPOILERS ** I saw the 12am showing last night at Galaxy theaters and let me say this; in short, it was better then Spiderman 2, but worse then Spiderman 1.There was just too much going on in this movie for it to live up to everything. Let me start.
All the individual stories were good (in of themselves), Harry as the new Goblin was handled expertly, the Sandman was a good character and was cool, even Brock/ Venom was good despite his short screen time (and looked very cool) the problem was that telling the story with all this going on was a bad idea. Couple these villain arcs with Peter and the black suit (which was handled absolutely awfully IMO) and Peters relationship with MJ taking a downward spiral and you’ve got so much going on that there is no way short of a 3.5 hour movie that you could pull it all off.
All the villain story arcs showed enough potential to warrant they’re own movie, but IMO they should have saved Venom for another movie. The only way to actually fit this into 3 movies would have been to either disregard the Sandman arc or to have had it in Spiderman 2 along with Doc Ock. If movie 2 (at the end) had Peter finding and using the black suit then 3 could have been amazing. It could have started with the Harry part as 3 did and it could have been exactly the same as it was. Peter should have been forced to use the black suit (that say he ‘gave up on’ in 2 realizing what it does to him) to beat Harry, but when he does he starts to get pretty bad (and torments Brock like he does in 3) and then finally gets to the famous bell tower scene with Brock when he becomes Venom. The rest of the movie could be devoted to the Venom story arc and it should have had Peter losing horribly to Venom and then asking Harry for help like he does in 3 to beat him realizing that he can’t take Venom alone. This would have left it open for much better character development and explanation of which there was none in 3.
My next MAJOR issue with the movie is the horrendous handling of black suit Peter and the black suit in general. First, the mere fact that it was a ‘Suit’ was stupid enough; it should always have been on him like it is on Venom (shape shifting to different clothes etc.) Peter should have not been able to take it off like a t-shirt like he does in 3. Second, I HATED the look of black Spiderman, it was literally the Spiderman suit…but black. It should have looked like it did on Venom and closer to the Comic version of Black Spiderman, complete with the black webbing (which I did like actually). More awful then this was ‘Emo-Peter’ as I’ve chosen to call him. Peter looked and acted like a doofus with the black suit, it was actually embarrassing to watch. The movie didn’t take itself seriously enough and Dark-Peter (Emo-Peter… WTF was with the emo hair??) was like a joke when it should have been VERY dark. A good example of this is in the jazz club when the guy grabs his arm and he goes nuts, had the whole Dark-Peter part been like this, it would have been awesome. Sadly though it was handled more in line of a joke rather then something serious, this is unfortunate because it almost ruined the movie for me. This leads to my next point, the movie was way too lighthearted and filled with cheese moments.
WTF was up with the Dark-Peter jazz moment dance off thing? WHAT THE HELL??? This was the most useless and worse scene in a movie since the Matrix Reloaded Zion Cave Rave scene, it was embarrassing and it was completely ridiculous. What were they thinking when they made this?? The twist moment in Harry’s apartment, and in general the huge amount of completely stupid and useless scenes that served no purpose and took away from the film. Horrible and completely dumb.
In saying all that though the Special effects were amazing, both Sandman and Venom were outstanding looking and the fight scenes were very well done but it cant take away from the films other (many) shortcomings.
Given the timeframe they had to do the movie in they did quite a good job on shoving it all in there but it was just too much and it took away from characters that, given the right time, could have been spectacular. Now however they seem more like an afterthought which is too bad because there was so much gleaming potential that sometimes sparkled through the convoluted story, character development and outright useless and embarrassing ‘humor’ scenes that was Spiderman 3. Had they taken the film seriously, got rid of the Sandman arc (or put it in 2) and made Dark-Peter not seem like a complete cheese ball joke fest then the movie would have shined bright rather then only have small sparkle moments.
I agree with pretty much everything you said here...are you my soulmate???
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My only issues with it was They never called Venom by name, And Venom called himself by plural names such as 'us' and 'we'. And he never saw himself as bad or a villain, he always thought he was the hero and Spiderman was the villain.
Spiderman would never have just let Sandman get away.
The pumpkin bomb should've killed Harry the way it killed Eddie and the Symboite.
And I do NOT need to see that many shots of Toby MaGuire's crotch and ass.
My only issues with it was They never called Venom by name, And Venom called himself by plural names such as 'us' and 'we'. And he never saw himself as bad or a villain, he always thought he was the hero and Spiderman was the villain.
Spiderman would never have just let Sandman get away.
The pumpkin bomb should've killed Harry the way it killed Eddie and the Symboite.
And I do NOT need to see that many shots of Toby MaGuire's crotch and ass.
Originally posted by Starhawk
My only issues with it was They never called Venom by name, And Venom called himself by plural names such as 'us' and 'we'. And he never saw himself as bad or a villain, he always thought he was the hero and Spiderman was the villain.Spiderman would never have just let Sandman get away.
The pumpkin bomb should've killed Harry the way it killed Eddie and the Symboite.
And I do NOT need to see that many shots of Toby MaGuire's crotch and ass.
REALLY...thats the only problems you had with the movie as far as venom and sandman goes?
I agree that i dont need to see maguire ass and crotch shots or a half dozen scenes of him trying to cry
Originally posted by xkalybr
TThe crying and tears throughout got annoying cause it looked forced and fake. The people in the theatre actually laughed and moaned when Peter cried in front of MJ.When MJ was hanging 80 stories up in a taxi and Peter took a moment to reflect putting on his regular red and blue costume, someone in the audience actually yelled, " Just put the effing costume on and save her stupid!" The theatre laughed at that outburst.
The same thing happened in my theater where people often laughed at the forced and redundant crying scenes.
There was no real journey of him going from the Black back to his original costume...In other words it diddnt feel like he had left behind his original costume for a very long time. consididering this, that scene where he goes to dawn his red and blues felt sad because you knew what raimi was trying to say, but had no effect due to his blunder of not seperating The Parker and spiderman characters. Infact this was one of his biggest problems in the previous movies, There was no real dynamic between Spiderman and Parker aside form the mask.
Originally posted by Burnt Pancakes
Why does venom need a buildup? he's near friggen mindless, and he has no morals. All HE does is just... ya know... kill things.
Why does a movie character need build up?
Considering That Venom was supposed to be a draw of the movie and the fact that he is spidermans most popular enemy is two good reasons.
Forgiving the fact that The symbiote substance was hardly even acknowledged or explained. I had hopes that the symbiote Spiderman or Venom would have atleast some kind of screen presence, but Venom offered nothing other than filler to unbalanced ending battle. The Symbiote suit had no identity in the movie other than appearing to make anyone whom comes in contact with it mad and strong.
Really, The symbiote was the focal point of the film because it made Peter parker take for granted everything, aswell as make him blind towards his purpose. Atleast this is what the shitty script refelcts. I truly believe that Raimi chose for nothing else to introduce The symbiote for this reason only, to give Peter Parkers story life for another film, and not tell the story of the symbiote He missed the mark completely by turning his back on the story that the Symbiote has.
Personally, I enjoyed the fight scenes. I liked them a lot. Sandman had always been one of my favorite spidey villains, and his cgi was well done. Aside from that, the story blew. And I've noticed the franchises thing with killing off everyone cool at the end of the movie. I.E Goblin in the 1st. Ock in the 2nd. And the only one left that had a possibility of being the Goblin in the forth movie, Harry, dies in the third. But wait, since the writers already took it upon themselves to create bogus plot-twists, like having Sandman be Uncle Bens real killer (that PISSED me off!) They might just go ahead and make that old butler the new goblin. I can see it now..... "First there was the Green Goblin... then the new Goblin(which was a lazy name assignment)... Finally, the But-Goblin!!!"