Originally posted by fangirl101
Wonder Woman is more skilled than everyone on Team 2. She alone has taken on an entire island of soldiers all with her level of strength and durability. I didn't see her using superspeed, but rather agility, and skill. A well placed Blow to namor would take him out quickly. Superman would have to bfr the hulk and juggs. maybe t-vo one of them.
I completely agree with you when you say WW is more skilled then anyone in group 2.
Supes and WW still loose.
Originally posted by fangirl101
You obviously don't read Wondy Much. Her lasso has pwned Hectate who had a measure of ultimate power. It has pwned the grand master. It has also immobilized Amazo. All of whom are greater than Juggy.
Sigh. As i said it DOES NOT matter whether all of the above mentioned people are greater than juggernaut. What i asked is for you to provide proof that any of them are greater than juggernaut in terms of being UNSTOPPABLE. Juggernauts whole enchantment is that he is UNSTOPPABLE and so whether or not you are greater than in totality more powerful than he is is irrelevant in this case. For instance the silver surfer is overall more powerful than jugs but can still be stopped physically. The same goes for thor. Heck evn current thor can be stopped physically while juggernaut CANT. Current thor is however considerably more powerful than jugs overall.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Sigh. As i said it DOES NOT matter whether all of the above mentioned people are greater than juggernaut. What i asked is for you to provide proof that any of them are greater than juggernaut in terms of being UNSTOPPABLE. Juggernauts whole enchantment is that he is UNSTOPPABLE and so whether or not you are greater than in totality more powerful than he is is irrelevant in this case. For instance the silver surfer is overall more powerful than jugs but can still be stopped physically. The same goes for thor. Heck evn current thor can be stopped physically while juggernaut CANT. Current thor is however considerably more powerful than jugs overall.
What the HELL!! It doesn't matter how unstoppable you think he is. If he is tied up in the lasso, He won't be able to break it. He's so big that the lasso would bind him easily. She wouldn't even need Superspeed because she's still faster than him with just her regular speed and agility.
Originally posted by fangirl101
What the HELL!! It doesn't matter how unstoppable you think he is. If he is tied up in the lasso, He won't be able to break it. He's so big that the lasso would bind him easily. She wouldn't even need Superspeed because she's still faster than him with just her regular speed and agility.
Now we have a problem. You see wonderwomans lasso has an enchantment that makes it unbreakable while Juggernaut has an enchantment by Cyttorak that makes him unstoppable by any physical force. Wonderwoman lasso howver does qulaify as a physical force. Therefore for wonderwoman to stop him her lassos enchantment would neccessarily have to be SUPERIOR to juggernauts. This is what YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND!!!
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Now we have a problem. You see wonderwomans lasso has an enchantment that makes it unbreakable while Juggernaut has an enchantment by Cyttorak that makes him unstoppable by any physical force. Wonderwoman lasso howver does qulaify as a physical force. Therefore for wonderwoman to stop him her lassos enchantment would neccessarily have to be SUPERIOR to juggernauts. This is what YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND!!!
Wonder Woman's lasso's enchantment is bound by Universal Truth. Unless Truth itself is perverted, then it's enchantment cannot be broken. Juggy's enchantment is by a skyfather.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Wonder Woman's lasso's enchantment is bound by Universal Truth. Unless Truth itself is perverted, then it's enchantment cannot be broken. Juggy's enchantment is by a skyfather.
No, it isn't some all-powerful unbeatable object. It doesn't just trump every other character on your say-so. People have resisted it.
After being tied up, Amazo kept fighting until he simply shrunk out of the lasso, drained WW's power and then KO'd her.
Titus was caught in the lasso, lied while under its influence (when asked who he was, he answered "I am the lord god of this sphere" - surely not the truth), then ripped it off himself, tied WW up with it and KO'd her.
There have been a few others too.
This is one uber magic against another, not even from the same universe, both of which have crazy feats. There is no way to argue something like this definitively. You just need to accept that other people are going to have different opinions than you on this one and stop telling everyone that they're wrong.
Originally posted by basilisk
No, it isn't some all-powerful unbeatable object. It doesn't just trump every other character on your say-so. People have resisted it.After being tied up, Amazo kept fighting until he simply shrunk out of the lasso, drained WW's power and then KO'd her.
Titus was caught in the lasso, lied while under its influence (when asked who he was, he answered "I am the lord god of this sphere" - surely not the truth), then ripped it off himself, tied WW up with it and KO'd her.
There have been a few others too.
This is one uber magic against another, not even from the same universe, both of which have crazy feats. There is no way to argue something like this definitively. You just need to accept that other people are going to have different opinions than you on this one and stop telling everyone that they're wrong.
Exactly what ive bin trying to say, you cant really argue about both their magic considering both are from different universes where different concepts apply.
Originally posted by basilisk
No, it isn't some all-powerful unbeatable object. It doesn't just trump every other character on your say-so. People have resisted it.After being tied up, Amazo kept fighting until he simply shrunk out of the lasso, drained WW's power and then KO'd her.
Titus was caught in the lasso, lied while under its influence (when asked who he was, he answered "I am the lord god of this sphere" - surely not the truth), then ripped it off himself, tied WW up with it and KO'd her.
There have been a few others too.
This is one uber magic against another, not even from the same universe, both of which have crazy feats. There is no way to argue something like this definitively. You just need to accept that other people are going to have different opinions than you on this one and stop telling everyone that they're wrong.
UM, Titus was A GOD. And he was telling the truth of the amazonian Prophecy. And he was only able to over come diana when she allowed him to speak. DID YOU MISS THAT!! HE EVEN SAID that she shouldn't have allowed him the opportunity to speak. I GUESS YOU MISSED THAT. Amazo couldn't break the lasso so he had to shrink to get out of it. The Juggernaut cannot do that. Amazo is also a machine so it's properties wont' work on him, that is why she used it to tie him up in a binding knot. Thanks.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Exactly what ive bin trying to say, you cant really argue about both their magic considering both are from different universes where different concepts apply.
Then Thor's God blast won't do shit to any DC character. Bascially this is what you are saying. Why argue when different universes have different Concepts.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Then Thor's God blast won't do shit to any DC character. Bascially this is what you are saying. Why argue when different universes have different Concepts.
Correct.
Alot of circular arguments going on in this thread, surely the one question and answer that can solve it falls to the OP, Where does the fight take place.? Its a crossover - so WHO has crossed over?
Originally posted by Juk3n Correct.Alot of circular arguments going on in this thread, surely the one question and answer that can solve it falls to the OP, Where does the fight take place.? Its a crossover - so WHO has crossed over?The Forum Rules say that all fights are in a neutral zone unless specified.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Then Thor's God blast won't do shit to any DC character. Bascially this is what you are saying. Why argue when different universes have different Concepts.
You obviously canmt comprehend ANYTHING AT ALL!!. How can u compare thors Godblast with a magical enchantment? What kind of retarded analogy is that? My statement was addressing the issue of two enchantments that cancel each other out( Wonderwomans lasso and jughs enchantment), and the measures that would have to be taken to break or overcome the enchantments. Because we have magic from two different universes it will be difficult to compare them considering that in both their respective universes, these enchantments have a given level of authority and supremacy. Where does " the concept of Universal Truth" place on the Marvel authority scale? How would we then compare it to the power of sombody like Cyttorrak? For example if a high level being in Marvel got trapped in the lasso would the enchantment which says that the lasso cant break if there is truth in the universe still apply? Or would the persons power and authority supercede such an enchantment. THESE ARE QUESTIONS WHICH WE CANT DEFINITIVELY ANSWER WITHOUT ENTERING INTO PURE SPECULATION. Your example of thors Godblast is poor EVN FOR YOU!! Thors Godblast is NOT an enchantment that specifies so and so, IT is SIMPLY A PHYSICAL ATTACK USING MAGICAL ENRGY!!! IT has NOTHING TO DO WITH MAGICAL ENCHANTMENTS BACKED BY SPECIFIC POWERS!!!. I have said this times without number TRY TO READ BEFORE YOU POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by ultimatethor
You obviously canmt comprehend ANYTHING AT ALL!!. How can u compare thors Godblast with a magical enchantment? What kind of retarded analogy is that? My statement was addressing the issue of two enchantments that cancel each other out( Wonderwomans lasso and jughs enchantment), and the measures that would have to be taken to break or overcome the enchantments. Because we have magic from two different universes it will be difficult to compare them considering that in both their respective universes, these enchantments have a given level of authority and supremacy. Where does " the concept of Universal Truth" place on the Marvel authority scale? How would we then compare it to the power of sombody like Cyttorrak? For example if a high level being in Marvel got trapped in the lasso would the enchantment which says that the lasso cant break if there is truth in the universe still apply? Or would the persons power and authority supercede such an enchantment. THESE ARE QUESTIONS WHICH WE CANT DEFINITIVELY ANSWER WITHOUT ENTERING INTO PURE SPECULATION. Your example of thors Godblast is poor EVN FOR YOU!! Thors Godblast is NOT an enchantment that specifies so and so, IT is SIMPLY A PHYSICAL ATTACK USING MAGICAL ENRGY!!! IT has NOTHING TO DO WITH MAGICAL ENCHANTMENTS BACKED BY SPECIFIC POWERS!!!. I have said this times without number [B]TRY TO READ BEFORE YOU POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/B]
Originally posted by fangirl101
What the HELL!! It doesn't matter how unstoppable you think he is. If he is tied up in the lasso, He won't be able to break it. He's so big that the lasso would bind him easily. She wouldn't even need Superspeed because she's still faster than him with just her regular speed and agility.
WW underesitmates juggy throws her lasso and misses and rakes in a tree branch!
The lasso reminds me of the speedblitzing arguments. Its a lame excuse to rake in a win. Half the time WW dont need her lasso shes tough as nails and so is supes bu with out their super speed this is o much.
Actually would her lasso even work on juggernut i have heard some people saying it wouldnt. Would be interesting to see.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Bias Much. Other Class 100 characters haven't punched anyone off world as Superman has as a battle tactic have they? And Yes Wonder Woman's Lasso Can Stop the Juggernaut. Unless you can prove that he's going to break it or over come it's enchantment. It has stopped Mightier beings than he.
Fangirl its not up to someone to prove juggernut can resist wonderwomans magic lasso, its up to you to prove she can get it on him and make it work. Alot of people think it wont. You brought up the lasso ordeal now you need to prove it can be done.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Then Thor's God blast won't do shit to any DC character. Bascially this is what you are saying. Why argue when different universes have different Concepts.
LOl dang girl you need to calm down this is only comics lol. For what its worth if the lasso works and downs juggs supes and WW can prolly have a chane at it but the lasso thing must work without the lasso supes and WW will just get beat down but juggs and hulk.
Superman may have more physical power then juggs but juggs stamina is far greater. he will fight on and on and on and on .............
Originally posted by fangirl101
Then Thor's God blast won't do shit to any DC character. Bascially this is what you are saying.
No, that is what you're saying. Nobody else came to that conclusion.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Why argue when different universes have different Concepts.
You can argue with to some extent about what a god blast might do based on the amount of damage it has done to high durability characters compared to what other attacks have done to those characters. You can argue that Thor or Superman might be stronger based on comparing lifting feats etc. But what we are talking about here is more like the old unstoppable force meets immovable object problem - they are both plot devices in their own right and there is nothing to say one is over the other.
Originally posted by fangirl101
UM, Titus was A GOD. And he was telling the truth of the amazonian Prophecy. And he was only able to over come diana when she allowed him to speak. DID YOU MISS THAT!! HE EVEN SAID that she shouldn't have allowed him the opportunity to speak. I GUESS YOU MISSED THAT.
YOUR CAPS LOCK IS ON DID YOU MISS THAT. That was actually the second time he broke free of the lasso, when he threw it off and said he wasn't hers to command. I was quoting from the first time. I guess you missed that. It was in a different issue.
The first time he just pulled it off and knocked her out cold. And he was not the "lord god" of earth, regardless of some old prophecy (which WW admitted she had already interpreted incorrectly before anyway - she's quite superstitious) - he just wanted to be. He didn't tell the truth while under the lasso and he broke free.
And so what he claimed he's a "god", like Cyttorak, Thor, and dozens of other beings of great power who like to set themselves up as gods. He's just another one of those uber-powerful alien characters. It just means that if you have enough power like Titus, or perhaps Cyttorak, you can override the lasso.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Amazo couldn't break the lasso so he had to shrink to get out of it. The Juggernaut cannot do that. Amazo is also a machine so it's properties wont' work on him, that is why she used it to tie him up in a binding knot. Thanks.
That's fair.
Look you like WW and want her to win, fine. She might well win through BFR. The lasso might or might not work. But there isn't any proof regarding which crazy level enchantment wins here. There is only personal opinion and you need to accept that some other people are going to disagree with you.