Originally posted by capt it upHis fighting skills are regressed by his berserker rage as stated in the more current 'Onslaught: Phase Two' fight with Elektra. Nothing in your scan says that his fighting skills aren't affected by his berserker rage. Just because he is highly competent during berserker rage does not mean that he is more or equally as competent during berserker rage.
his fighting skills remain..............
http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=berserker27ojlu9.jpgas stated on pannel.........sup you know nothing about wolverine.....like i said.
why do you even bother? do you honestly think your going to beat me in wolverine facts?
The more current feat trumps the older feat. Read the Elektra fight. It happened in a Wolvie comic.
Originally posted by masterbruce
Srank and Capt are basically saying they can't do jack to hurt Logan.
In all fairness it could be argued that Wolverine could beat DS but not easily. MN is a bit difficult because he lives in a different comic universe.....but Wolverine aint beating both of them......c'mon man.... 😬
Originally posted by Alfheim
How the **** does Wolverine get to beat DS and MN.....how? I was gonna do a more detailed post but I cant be bothered right now.
Wolverine only needs to land one hit, one, one single hit and Midnighter or Deathstroke will either be out of the fight entirely or their effectiveness in the fight will decrease so drastically that they might as well be. If Wolverine severs a limb, opens an artery, or punctures a major organ on either Deathstroke or Midnighter they will be out of the fight. A head shot or a body shot will pretty much take them out of the fight too. He can one shot either of them. They don't heal fast enough to deal with the damage Wolverine can dish out and keep fighting, they aren't fast enough to avoid him, durable enough to out last him and they don't have the damage out put to drop him before he drops them.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine only needs to land one hit, [b]one, one single hit and Midnighter or Deathstroke will either be out of the fight entirely or their effectiveness in the fight will decrease so drastically that they might as well be. If Wolverine severs a limb, opens an artery, or punctures a major organ on either Deathstroke or Midnighter they will be out of the fight. A head shot or a body shot will pretty much take them out of the fight too. He can one shot either of them. They don't heal fast enough to deal with the damage Wolverine can dish out and keep fighting, they aren't fast enough to avoid him, durable enough to out last him and they don't have the damage out put to drop him before he drops them. [/B]
Oh right and both DS and MN are so slow that Wolverine is gonna get that hit straight away??? You do know both of them have healing factors as well.
You know MN has ****ed up people with healing factors right...and theres TWO of them.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
His fighting skills are regressed by his berserker rage as stated in the more current 'Onslaught: Phase Two' fight with Elektra. Nothing in your scan says that his fighting skills aren't affected by his berserker rage. Just because he is highly competent during berserker rage does not mean that he is more or equally as competent during berserker rage.The more current feat trumps the older feat. Read the Elektra fight. It happened in a Wolvie comic.
are you dense it clearly states he retains his skill's and even gives an example of what it like.
also you knwo the issue your talking about I own it and what you said happen never happen. They were taking about ferral wolverine. Man your just a moron. They said from him evolving further more ferral regressed his human side wow. Your using evdience that not even talking about berserker. Again you prove you know nothing about wolverine
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Everyone in their right mind knows I'm right.Wolverine can take Deathstroke and Midnighters best shots all day... they can't take his. End of story. 😎
I have been thinking about this fight..change my mind that Logan can win some here...
I will agree with you about 1 good hit on either one and its missing limbs time...end of fight for them.
DS strength won't do crap on Logans body
However Logan will not win 10/10 nowhere even close.
They can hit Logan in soft spots that count..eyes,ears,throat etc...
Originally posted by srankmissingninSince when does brute strength their only option? As far as I saw, they have access to as much nasty weaponry as most people do.
Slade is some where around the 2-5 ton range and I'll put Midnighter at around 2 tons with a very liberal estimate. These two don't have a hope in hell of taking down Wolverine with brute strength... Omega Red (who is stronger then either of those two) fought Wolverine for eighteen hours straight and he had his death factor to counter act Wolverine's healing factor! With prep Deathstroke has some gadgets that can put Wolverine down, but standard gear we are looking at a sword, bo-staff and some grenades; none of which is going to slow Wolverine down but at least it packs a bit of a punch... Midnighter might as well use a paint ball gun for all the good he will do.
Originally posted by srankmissingninMidnighter has the power to process a million different combat scenarios in a single second. Trust me. If KMC rules apply and Midnighter has basic knowledge, nothign that Wolverine would do would ever surprise him. Pick up some god damn Authority comics or read up on a Midnighter Respect thread. I don't need to list the amounts of feats that trump Wolvie's when you can go find out yourself. Midnighter is like Batman on brain steroids. He's the only H2H fighter I think that would slap Cap down like a red-headed stepchild. And I think Capt It Up knows how much I'm a fan of Cap's.
Midnighter then gets the pleasure of seeing Wolverine beat him a million different ways before the fight even starts... and a million isn't even remotely close to enough simulations to accurately predict the outcome of a fight. There is almost an infinite number of variation that can occur for each attack and counter attack. Even if he gets lucky and the fight guys according to one of his simulations, the moment he takes advantage of the knowledge and deviates from the prediction... the fight totally changes and the simulations becomes useless because now Wolverine has to counter his attack and then the fight is in uncharted territory.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
His fighting skills are regressed by his berserker rage as stated in the more current 'Onslaught: Phase Two' fight with Elektra. Nothing in your scan says that his fighting skills aren't affected by his berserker rage. Just because he is highly competent during berserker rage does not mean that he is more or equally as competent during berserker rage.The more current feat trumps the older feat. Read the Elektra fight. It happened in a Wolvie comic.
That Wolverine and current Wolverine are two different pages of chips, that Wolverine was devolved after rejecting the adamantium implants and was more animal then man. The whole point of the training was that by becoming the martial artist he once was, he would remember the man he was too and regain his human said. His bersker rage was ineffective because it was no longer honed by the knowledge he once possessed.
Originally posted by capt it upPost the scans then. I read that fight and I remember clearly what it said. Post the pages where Wolverine surpresses his rage and feral instinct and uses his smarts to position himself to a point where he can grab the sword imbedded in the chimney and let the people decide what it means.
are you dense it clearly states he retains his skill's and even gives an example of what it like.also you knwo the issue your talking about I own it and what you said happen never happen. They were taking about ferral wolverine. Man your just a moron. They said from him evolving further more ferral regressed his human side wow. Your using evdience that not even talking about berserker. Again you prove you know nothing about wolverine
EDIT: And where the hell is his feral instinct and rage stated to be any different then his berserker rage in any Wolvie incarnation? Show me and I will totally concede the point. I don't have that much placed in this fight for a scan to change my mind in the least bit.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
If KMC rules apply and Midnighter has basic knowledge, nothign that Wolverine would do would ever surprise him. Pick up some god damn Authority comics or read up on a Midnighter Respect thread. I don't need to list the amounts of feats that trump Wolvie's when you can go find out yourself. Midnighter is like Batman on brain steroids. He's the only H2H fighter I think that would slap Cap down like a red-headed stepchild. And I think Capt It Up knows how much I'm a fan of Cap's.
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Budy I've read ever issue of the Authority and I have every Midnighter appearance except for a Midnighter/Apollo one shot that I haven't been able to get my hands on. I'm a Wildstorm fan, I love all things Wildstorm and I've been reading the Authority since it first launched and before that I was reading Stormwatch, so don't feed me this bullshit.
Originally posted by AlfheimYou're damn right. Cap always finds a way. But f@ck... Midnighter finds a million ways in a single second. Sh1t, even wikipedia has semi-accurate information on him. You all know how Mark Millar pumps up his favorite characters to an insane degree. Like I said, Midnighter is Batman on brain steroids.
Damn...thats saying something.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Post the scans then. I read that fight and I remember clearly what it said. Post the pages where Wolverine surpresses his rage and feral instinct and uses his smarts to position himself to a point where he can grab the sword imbedded in the chimney and let the people decide what it means.EDIT: And where the hell is his feral instinct and rage stated to be any different then his berserker rage in any Wolvie incarnation? Show me and I will totally concede the point. I don't have that much placed in this fight for a scan to change my mind in the least bit.
I don't have a scanner and again your wrong he throw it into the holder on elektra back.............have you even read the issue? It was refferring the whole time to logans ferral side...........it had nothing to do with berserker rage...........Logan humanity ahd left him. man if your gunna use evdience at least make sure it backs what your saying.
Originally posted by srankmissingninThen tell me whether or not it is within Midnighter's capability to process that many simulations in his mind during the fight. If you say no, then provide me a scan since you have the 'Authority' comics with you. Again, my comics are at my parents' house. So go ahead. Again, I'm not above changing my opinion if you can prove it to me.
🙄Budy I've read ever issue of the Authority and I have every Midnighter appearance except for a Midnighter/Apollo one shot that I haven't been able to get my hands on. I'm a Wildstorm fan, I love all things Wildstorm and I've been reading the Authority since it first launched and before that I was reading Stormwatch, so don't feed me this bullshit.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
🙄Budy I've read ever issue of the Authority and I have every Midnighter appearance except for a Midnighter/Apollo one shot that I haven't been able to get my hands on. I'm a Wildstorm fan, I love all things Wildstorm and I've been reading the Authority since it first launched and before that I was reading Stormwatch, so don't feed me this bullshit.
Still dont understand how he beats both of them.... 😐 Wolverien is not going to get a killer blow stright away. MN has ****ed up epopel with healing factors before and DS could probably do the same.
Originally posted by capt it upWhat the hell are you talking about. The sword is imbedded in a chimney on a rooftop. Wolverine plays Elektra into the position for Wolvie to grab the sword unexpectedly. What do you mean he throws it into the sword shaft on Elektra's back? I'm talking about where he wins the fight, not what happens afterwards.
I don't have a scanner and again your wrong he throw it into the holder on elektra back.............have you even read the issue? It was refferring the whole time to logans ferral side...........it had nothing to do with berserker rage...........Logan humanity ahd left him. man if your gunna use evdience at least make sure it backs what your saying.
And again, show me where his feral side throws out his martial arts acumen or show me where his berserker rage is different from him going feral and I'll concede the point. Otherwise, you are arguing semantics.
