Wolverine vs Deathstroke and Midnighter

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What the hell are you talking about. The sword is imbedded in a chimney on a rooftop. Wolverine plays Elektra into the position for Wolvie to grab the sword unexpectedly. What do you mean he throws it into the sword shaft on Elektra's back? I'm talking about where he wins the fight, not what happens afterwards.

And again, show me where his feral side throws out his martial arts acumen or show me where his berserker rage is different from him going feral and I'll concede the point. Otherwise, you are arguing semantics.

I you retarded? Thats how he wins the fight by throwing it into the sheath on elektra back and then "he goes some times the best way to win a fight is to sheath to sword". Go re read the issue.

what do you mean show you? the was the entire point of elektra training wolverine...........she was training him to regain back his humanity which he had lost after going ferral........the whole arch is about how logan by being forced to evolve furth he lost his humanity and in order to gain his humanity back he needed to become the MA he was............what did you not understand..........not once in the arch did they talk about berserker rage.........it had nothing to do with berserker rage......it had to do with logan losing his humanity by being forced to evolve further.........I am not sure how you could not comprehend such a simple thing.............

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Then tell me whether or not it is within Midnighter's capability to process that many simulations in his mind during the fight. If you say no, then provide me a scan since you have the 'Authority' comics with you. Again, my comics are at my parents' house. So go ahead. Again, I'm not above changing my opinion if you can prove it to me.

I don't understand... what do you want me to prove?

I said a million battles scenarios isn't enough data make an accurate prediction of how the fight will go. There are infinite (that is a quite a deal more the a million) number of possibilities for ever attack and an equal number of possibilities for ever counter. What attacking is the person going to use? Were are they aim? Positioning of the feed? Left hand or right hand? Speed of the attack? How much weight got into the attack? If direction of the punch deviates even slightly you have a different scenario. You are looking a billions of possibilities for each action.

At one million a second how long would it take Midnigher to get a billion senerios? How long to get another billion for the counter.

What so now Wolverine super smart in beserk mode now? What immortality wasnt enough? There just gonna keep upgrading and upgrading him because Wolverine fanboys want Wolverine to be invincible.

Thats why you dont like Ultimate Wolverine right. Ultimate Wolverine got riped in half by Hulk. Cant have that can we? What Wolverine losing...thats blasphemy!

Cant ****ing take, somebody please just beat the crap out of Wolverine no ****ing mind control healing factor bullocks. No plot devices just a clear win...sick of this ****.

Originally posted by Alfheim

What Wolverine losing...thats blasphemy!

esp since he's also God's hand.

Originally posted by Alfheim
What so now Wolverine super smart in beserk mode now? What immortality wasnt enough? There just gonna keep upgrading and upgrading him because Wolverine fanboys want Wolverine to be invincible.

Thats why you dont like Ultimate Wolverine right. Ultimate Wolverine got riped in half by Hulk. Cant have that can we? What Wolverine losing...thats blasphemy!

Cant ****ing take, somebody please just beat the crap out of Wolverine no ****ing mind control healing factor bullocks. No plot devices just a clear win...sick of this ****.

super smart..........he simply retains his fightings skill which has always been the case........it not somthing new it been part of his character since well pritty much the development.........the immortal thing you mean the recarnation thing which came about well.........since his first solo arch............your whining about things that have been apart of his character for 20 years.

Logan does not get upgraded like you think most of what you think are up grades arnt they been that way sicne the start.............it just you don't read him so you don't know any thing about him.

I sick of your crappy whining honestly grow up.

Originally posted by capt it up
super smart..........he simply retains his fightings skill which has always been the case........it not somthing new it been part of his character since well pritty much the development.........the immortal thing you mean the recarnation thing which came about well.........since his first solo arch............yoru whining about things that have been aprt of his character for 20 years.

Immortality...werewolves????? 😠 Inconsistnet healing factor! Argghh!!!!!

No im sorry I saw scans that said Wolverine in beserker mode was like a supercomputer. Bullocks cant take the BS.

Originally posted by capt it up
super smart..........he simply retains his fightings skill which has always been the case........it not somthing new it been part of his character since well pritty much the development.........the immortal thing you mean the recarnation thing which came about well.........since his first solo arch............yoru whining about things that have been aprt of his character for 20 years.

Yeah, but that aspect of his character wasn't forced upon as how it is today.

Nobody really cares about the whole "Lupine" thing with him and Sabertooth and how they're descended from Wolves. Or about him having to fight a demon every time he dies etc.

I'd rather just see the Wolverine we all used to know and love, the under-rated badass who'd get his ass kicked time after time and keep coming.

Joss Whedon characterizes him extremely well IMO.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Immortality...werewolves????? 😠 Inconsistnet healing factor! Argghh!!!!!

you mean recarnation.......ya been that way sicne the begging........immortality been that way since ......91...........again yoru whining about thigns that are 20 years old...............why do you even care about the were wolf thing it has not made wolverine any better........so why do you care you don't even read him. His healign factor really not that inconsistent it just you don't read him so you don't notice that fact he had improved over the years and gotten two up grades.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Yeah, but that aspect of his character wasn't forced upon as how it is today.

how has it been forced?......................not like it ever brought up.

Meh

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Yeah, but that aspect of his character wasn't forced upon as how it is today.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Joss Whedon characterizes him extremely well IMO.

AKA not all? 😕

He shows up for two panels every book and says some one liners... and the goes back to being a bit player who does nothing that is only on the team to sell books.

He is mostly on the team for comic relief... which is kind of sad.

isent joss whedon the guy who writtes astonishing x-men and uses logan as comic relief and even stated " I don't know what to do with wolverine, I have no idea how to write him"

Originally posted by Alfheim
What so now Wolverine super smart in beserk mode now? What immortality wasnt enough? There just gonna keep upgrading and upgrading him because Wolverine fanboys want Wolverine to be invincible.

Thats why you dont like Ultimate Wolverine right. Ultimate Wolverine got riped in half by Hulk. Cant have that can we? What Wolverine losing...thats blasphemy!

Cant ****ing take, somebody please just beat the crap out of Wolverine no ****ing mind control healing factor bullocks. No plot devices just a clear win...sick of this ****.

You just dont get what srankmissingnin is trying to say do you. Ok this is how it is. All of these people are great fighters (dont know about midnighter since I havent seen him fight anyone in cap, daredevil, or wolverine league but hes still a good fighter). They will pose a HUGE threat to wolverine BUT thats all wolverine has to do is get a good lick on either of them and the fight is over or they will be slowed down tremendously. Im not saying that its going to happen right away but with wolverine speed and skill he can land a lick on either of these people.

How could you possibly think that they can fight wolverine without him landing a lick, its impossible. The guy is to skilled, fast, and agile for that. I think that if daredevil was fighting these two he would still land some licks because its in his capability to do so.

This isnt a easy fight but they just dont have the tools to bring wolverine down but the same cannot be said for wolverine. If wolverine brings this into close quater than the fight is done because for every lick that they land wolverine will also land a lick. Batman has hit deathstroke, Nightwing has hit deathstroke, batgirl has hit deathstroke, how many more people need to hit deathstroke for you to realize that wolverine wont have a problem getting a good lick off of him.

Im guessing that your saying that the bat family speed is >>> wolverine speed.

Wolverines not winning 10/10 but I do think that hes getting the majority.

Originally posted by carver9
You just dont get what srankmissingnin is trying to say do you. Ok this is how it is. All of these people are great fighters (dont know about midnighter since I havent seen him fight anyone in cap, daredevil, or wolverine league but hes still a good fighter). They will pose a HUGE threat to wolverine BUT thats all wolverine has to do is get a good lick on either of them and the fight is over or they will be slowed down tremendously. Im not saying that its going to happen right away but with wolverine speed and skill he can land a lick on either of these people.

How could you possibly think that they can fight wolverine without him landing a lick, its impossible. The guy is to skilled, fast, and agile for that. I think that if daredevil was fighting these two he would still land some licks because its in his capability to do so.

This isnt a easy fight but they just dont have the tools to bring wolverine down but the same cannot be said for wolverine. If wolverine brings this into close quater than the fight is done because for every lick that they land wolverine will also land a lick. Batman has hit deathstroke, Nightwing has hit deathstroke, batgirl has hit deathstroke, how many more people need to hit deathstroke for you to realize that wolverine wont have a problem getting a good lick off of him.

Im guessing that your saying that the bat family speed is >>> wolverine speed.

Wolverines not winning 10/10 but I do think that hes getting the majority.

Er no I think I understand perfectly what he saying.....Wolverine can do alot of damage but like you said hes not going to do it straight away...and MN has fought people with healing factors before.

Im pretty sure DS on his own would cause Wolverine problems but DS and MN....Wolverines going down.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
AKA not all? 😕

He shows up for two panels every book and says some one liners... and the goes back to being a bit player who does nothing that is only on the team to sell books.

He is mostly on the team for comic relief... which is kind of sad.

Yeah, he may not be the star of the show over in Astonishing but when he is used, atleast he's used very well. Back when the second genesis of the X-Men happened did he get much more than what he is under Whedon? Not really.

Like establishing the relationship between "Armour" and him, him and Beast facing off, "I like beer" etc.

It's not like he gets that much of a bum deal in Astonishing, Beast gets the least attention out of all of them IMO.

Quality over quantity, by far.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Er no I think I understand perfectly what he saying.....Wolverine can do alot of damage but like you said hes not going to do it straight away...and MN has fought people with healing factors before.

You might as well be saying "Well Character X has fought characters with superstrength before." while comparing Spider-man's strengtht to the Hulk's.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Er no I think I understand perfectly what he saying.....Wolverine can do alot of damage but like you said hes not going to do it straight away...and MN has fought people with healing factors before.

Im pretty sure DS on his own would cause Wolverine problems but DS and MN....Wolverines going down.

Has midnighter fought someone with a healing factor as great as wolverines healing factor that is almost the hulk peer in healing factors. Has he fought someone that has mastered every martial arts on the planet and has acute senses and enhanced strength, with adamantium bones that absorbs punishment. Can also go berserk and increase his strenght, speed, skill, agility, reflexes and almost becomes unstoppable (not to the likes of people like superman, etc... but you understand).

I dont think that he has. Hulk has fought some powerful people and I consider hercules more powerful than wolverine but hulk has a harder time fighting wolverine than he does hercules. Reason why is listed up above. The same can be said about the midnighter and apollo fight. Apollo is extremely powerful (even though midnighter had to wear a suit to even pose a threat) but there is a lot of things that is missing in apollo power list that evened out the playing field for midnighter.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You might as well be saying "Well Character X has fought characters with superstrength before." while comparing Spider-man's strengtht to the Hulk's.

Well I dont know how powerful the characters healing factor was but the point is MN has some experience dealing with characters with similar stats...hell MN comes from a different universe so no im not going to be able to make a precise comparison. 🙄

and theres TWO of them.

Originally posted by carver9
Has midnighter fought someone with a healing factor as great as wolverines healing factor that is almost the hulk peer in healing factors. Has he fought someone that has mastered every martial arts on the planet and has acute senses and enhanced strength, with adamantium bones that absorbs punishment. Can also go berserk and increase his strenght, speed, skill, agility, reflexes and almost becomes unstoppable (not to the likes of people like superman, etc... but you understand).

Well I dont know how powerful the characters healing factor was but the point is MN has some experience dealing with characters with similar stats...hell MN comes from a different universe so no im not going to be able to make a precise comparison. 🙄

and theres TWO of them.

Originally posted by capt it up
I you retarded? Thats how he wins the fight by throwing it into the sheath on elektra back and then "he goes some times the best way to win a fight is to sheath to sword". Go re read the issue.

what do you mean show you? the was the entire point of elektra training wolverine...........she was training him to regain back his humanity which he had lost after going ferral........the whole arch is about how logan by being forced to evolve furth he lost his humanity and in order to gain his humanity back he needed to become the MA he was............what did you not understand..........not once in the arch did they talk about berserker rage.........it had nothing to do with berserker rage......it had to do with logan losing his humanity by being forced to evolve further.........I am not sure how you could not comprehend such a simple thing.............

He beats Elektra straight up at that point with his brains. Wolverine did not lose his god damn humanity after getting his adamantium torn out of him. He is mindf@cked but he hardly loses his humanity and reverts to a beast. I'm not sure how you could even argue the difference between Wolverine going feral and Wolverine going into a berserker rage. Are you telling me all the fights he had between 'Fatal Attractions' and 'Onslaught' were fights where he had no humanity, did not use any martial arts training and did not once use a berserker's rage?!?!?!

ARE YOU FRIKKIN KIDDING ME!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well I dont know how powerful the characters healing factor was but the point is MN has some experience dealing with characters with similar stats...hell MN comes from a different universe so no im not going to be able to make a precise comparison. 🙄

and theres TWO of them.

Name me two martial artist that midnighter has fought thats even in daredevil league.