Karate Kid (Pre - Crisis) vs. Champion

Started by Priest3 pages

Originally posted by Juntai
Without the power gem?

Champion never done shit with the power gem, he too dumb.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
If we go by low showings then

KK has been shown to struggle against multiple MA's in his book (precrisis with none having nearly as impressive feats and showings as him) and in fact barely scraped by in a particular showing thanks to being "good minded."

Your low showing involves KK winning, while Champion still lost to She Hulk without his precious gem in a pure hand to hand fight.

Originally posted by Priest
Champion never done shit with the power gem, he too dumb.
He used it. The She Hulk battle was proof of it. With the gem he walked over her, she came back in the next issue or two, and annihilated him when he was forced to not use it.

Originally posted by Juntai
He used it. The She Hulk battle was proof of it. With the gem he walked over her, she came back in the next issue or two, and annihilated him when he was forced to not use it.

Oh, the boxing match right?
I was thinking way back when he had the gem fighting thanos.
Champion still suck anywayz, he gets no props for beating up she hulk w/ gem.

Originally posted by Juntai
Without the power gem?

Champion was never an adept user of the gem, it was like a toy to him. I don't think it amped his strength that much really.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Champion was never an adept user of the gem, it was like a toy to him. I don't think it amped his strength that much really.
The she hulk fights say different in that they show him with it, and without it.

Hence that much. It's like how Karate Kid is portrayed being able to tango with Superboy one instance, then failing miserable and bruising his hand punching Mon-El and getting the beat down by Commander Blud and put to sleep by Cosmic Boy in the next.

This thread is the perfect example of stupid writers not knowing what to do with a character. Few comic stories have EVER made me as angry/disappointed as Jim Starlin's Thanos vs Champion fight. Champion has to be the most unfairly abused character in comic book history. At 10' & 5000lbs w/Class 100 strength and mastery of every close combat discipline in the galaxy, he should be completely unbeatable. Period.

This thread should be a friggin' joke. Here's how this fight should actually look:

I think Champion was a joke. I mean, look at him.

However, he's studied martial arts for eons and does nothing but fight all the time. Even without the power gem he's still an incredibly formidable opponent.

Originally posted by llagrok
I think Champion was a joke. I mean, look at him.

Are you kidding? He has a GREAT design. Classic old school.

Champion has never displayed his amazing fighting ability. Thanos toyed with him in H2H using skill. I'm not trying to say that Thanos would have won in H2H, but if Champion was as good as KK, he would not have been humiliated. KK wins this.

Champion is a vagina. Period.

The Champion is no such a thing. What we have are perfect examples of:

Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.

...completely at odds with how he was originally established when he made his first appearance.

Originally posted by Juntai
Your low showing involves KK winning, while Champion still lost to She Hulk without his precious gem in a pure hand to hand fight.

The thing is, the Gem made him stronger, but also made his body addicted to it's power and without it, his body nearly died and he was so weak She Hulk beat him. That's still pretty stupid, but that's how it was supposed to be credible.

If you read the old comic, he never had the gem when he fought earth's heroes.

Hmm... Champion's best showing of duribility, that basically 10 fold destroys all his other showings, was him getting his salad tossed against Thanos.
That was the best he was written, ever!

Hmm...

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
...that basically 10 fold destroys all his other showings...

???

So a PIS story that bs'd EVERYTHING anyone ever knew about the character became his new standard?

Originally posted by MRasheed
???

So a PIS story that bs'd EVERYTHING anyone ever knew about the character became his new standard?

Umm... no.

I mean that as in, his best showing, was 10 times better than any other showing, and he still got his ass handed to him. Even his best showing betrays his skill.

Either Champion is overated, or Thanos is under...

The guy with the stupid Dragonball design is overrated, not stonehead.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
I mean that as in, his best showing, was 10 times better than any other showing, and he still got his ass handed to him. Even his best showing betrays his skill.

Your idea of "best showing" differs wildly from my own, Jebus.

His best showing was when he arrived on earth and challenged earth's heroes to a boxing match. He was skilled in our own MA and crushed opponant after opponant, calmly, intelligently, efficiently.

In the fight with Thanos, Starlin had him acting like a mindless brute who used his sized to overwhelm opponants, fought emotionally and abandoned any idea of skill-in-technique.

So when you say "best showing" you are obviously talking about Thanos (Jim Starlin's own creation! 😖) not the Champion.

Originally posted by MRasheed
The Champion is no such a thing. What we have are perfect examples of:

...completely at odds with how he was originally established when he made his first appearance.

Too bad his vagina showings outweigh his uber showings.

The guy is a stone cold, crab-infected, gaping vagina.