Very interesting indeed
I think it was Wraithfulldwarf who came into a thread(cant remember which it was) and said marvel was wrong-think for yourselves
Many years ago when i first read the quasar issue written by Mark Gruenwald that mentioned the omniverse,i always thought that in the omniverse that they mentioned it would house all the other companies
and they were in a way letting us know there was a way for other companies to have crossovers and such(quasar in the New Universe),and many DC and Marvel crossovers in the many years they have been joining together were just that-one omniverse which houses all companies-marvel might be the only one mentioning it,but it does not make it theirs
Originally posted by starlock
Very interesting indeedI think it was Wraithfulldwarf who came into a thread(cant remember which it was) and said marvel was wrong-think for yourselves
Many years ago when i first read the quasar issue written by Mark Gruenwald that mentioned the omniverse,i always thought that in the omniverse that they mentioned it would house all the other companies
and they were in a way letting us know there was a way for other companies to have crossovers and such(quasar in the New Universe),and many DC and Marvel crossovers in the many years they have been joining together were just that-one omniverse which houses all companies-marvel might be the only one mentioning it,but it does not make it theirs
U have a blessed day 🙂
Marvel and DC are both great companies. GS is very wise
Just to summarize, Dc regards JLA/Avengers as canon as does Marvel with Marvel referring to it in their official handbooks. Whilst Marvel doesnt directly mention names, the marvel site gives the reason for this as being copyright issues.
On top of that the handbook writers site states that Marvel and DC exist within the same omniverse, they just have their own multiverses.
A character possessing an omniversal role in either marvel or DC or any other comic label doesnt equate to that label having their own omniverse.
Its good to have this finally settled. 😄
Originally posted by Nikkolas
So, no being as powerful PR Beyonder in DC.Good to let this be settled.
Well im sure the Presence couldnt get overpowered by Dr Doom 😬
Im sure the Presence couldnt be affected by the M'kraan crystal
Beyonder can 😱
Im sure the Presence could destroy and then recreate Death without needing the permission of one of his creations to kill them:
😬
Pre retcon Beyonder doesnt exist anymore, get over it who cares either way 😂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Well im sure the Presence couldnt get overpowered by Dr Doom 😬Im sure the Presence couldnt be affected by the M'kraan crystal
Beyonder can
The Real Scan, not this unreadable bull shit to sway onlookers with the fallacy:
It is clearly stated that Mkraan Crystal could NOT hurt the Beyonder,
only return him to his "Primal State of Un-being" basically what he was without Human Form.
Let us also not forget that at this point Beyonder was FAR weaker than normal,
because he gave Rachel Summers enough power to kill him herself:
"I offer you a choice, Phoenix...you may SLAY me"
"I herewith grant YOU SUFFICIENT Power to do so"
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Im sure the Presence could destroy and then recreate Death without needing the permission of one of his creations to kill them:
More waffle.
Beyonder didn't "need" anything.
Beyonder only asked Dave if he was willing to become Death, because well ...
after killing him the result would be him becoming the New Death. (willing or not)
Whether Dave conceded or not is of no consequence to the power it required to kill him.
"All the Combined Powers of the Multiverse can't kill anything"
Originally posted by Mr Master
The Real Scan, not this unreadable bull shit to sway onlookers with the fallacy:It is clearly stated that Mkraan Crystal could NOT hurt the Beyonder,
only return him to his "Primal State of Un-being" basically what he was without Human Form.
So the crystal can revert hi to his formless original self. So when i said originally:
"Im sure the Presence couldnt be affected by the M'kraan crystal"
I was quite right to indirectly say that the Beyonder could be affected by the M'kraan crystal.
Quite puzzling why you disputed what i said only to agree with it in your reply. Do you have that much animosity towards me? Do you just see red when you read the words GalacticStorm and feel compelled to rebuke regardless of the truthfullness of my words? 😕
Thats really quite sad. Only comics mate. 😬
Originally posted by Mr Master
Let us also not forget that at this point Beyonder was FAR weaker than normal,because he gave Rachel Summers enough power to kill him herself:
"I offer you a choice, Phoenix...you may SLAY me"
"I herewith grant YOU SUFFICIENT Power to do so"
So the Beyonder has limits then? 😕
As revealed in that scan above by Rachel, the plan all along was to go back to his formless state via the power of the M'kraan crystal
By giving Rachel enough power to unleash the crystals power he was left weakened enough to get manhandled by the crystal? 😬
Is that what youre saying?
Doesnt sound very supreme being( Presence like 🙂 ) to me.
On top of that why couldnt the Beyonder change himself back to that state? Why did he require the power of the crystal to do the job for him?
Once again, doesnt sound very supreme being like to me. 👇
Originally posted by Mr Master
More waffle.Beyonder didn't "need" anything.
Beyonder only asked Dave if he was willing to become Death, because well ...
after killing him the result would be him becoming the New Death. (willing or not)
Whether Dave conceded or not is of no consequence to the power it required to kill him.
"All the Combined Powers of the Multiverse can't kill anything"
Dave: You've got to fix it! Bring Death back! Please!
Beyonder: Dave I CANT. The only way to do that, well it would mean killing something and thats beyond even my power now................I suppose I could try. Maybe if someone, some sentient creature WERE WILLING
Beyonder states straight up that to directly bring Death as Dave wanted him to is beyond his power. The Beyonder has limits!! After Daves incessant pleading, he doesnt know for certain if he can do it at all ("i could try"..."maybe if"😉 but then theorizes he could make it possible BUT if someone were willing.
Mr Master said "Beyonder didn't "need" anything."
Supreme being level? ❌
Me full of fallacy? ❌
GAME OVER
Finally heads are cathing on to what you really are. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master
The Real Scan, not this unreadable bull shit to sway onlookers with the fallacy:It is clearly stated that Mkraan Crystal could NOT hurt the Beyonder,
only return him to his "Primal State of Un-being" basically what he was without Human Form.
Let us also not forget that at this point Beyonder was FAR weaker than normal,
because he gave Rachel Summers enough power to kill him herself:
"I offer you a choice, Phoenix...you may SLAY me"
"I herewith grant YOU SUFFICIENT Power to do so"
Originally posted by Mr Master
More waffle.Beyonder didn't "need" anything.
Beyonder only asked Dave if he was willing to become Death, because well ...
after killing him the result would be him becoming the New Death. (willing or not)
Whether Dave conceded or not is of no consequence to the power it required to kill him.
"All the Combined Powers of the Multiverse can't kill anything"
yawn
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Actually I have to agree with GS on the Man ´O War Iron man, it's based on a video game, it's not really canon.
It was Edited by Mark Greunwald.
It referenced the 616 Reality.
It's considered as Canon as any other Cross-over:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercompany_crossover
I'll search for more proof, but I should just post the scans referencing the 616 Reality.
X-O wasn't invented for the purpose of this arc,
X-O has been around since 91' I believe, he's had Two complete series of Comics, the only reason the cross-over was based on a game, is because Acclaim (video game co) bought out Valiant (the original X-O owners)
The story sticks to Marvel cosmological continuity on panel,
and the 616 Universe is referenced.
Originally posted by Mr Master
It was Edited by Mark Greunwald.It referenced the 616 Reality.
It's considered as Canon as any other Cross-over:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercompany_crossover
I'll search for more proof, but I should just post the scans referencing the 616 Reality.
X-O wasn't invented for the purpose of this arc,
X-O has been around since 91' I believe, he's had Two complete series of Comics, the only reason the cross-over was based on a game, is because Acclaim (video game co) bought out Valiant (the original X-O owners)
The story sticks to Marvel cosmological continuity on panel,
and the 616 Universe is referenced.
That crossover was created for the purpose of drawing comic book fans into the comic based game. Who wrote or edited is irrelevant.
You state that X-O was around before the arc. Uhhhh SO WHAT?!! 😱 So was Iron Man. Whats your point? 😕
Doesnt stop this appearance from both these characters and any Marvel character involved from NOT being referenced in any of their Marvel bio entrys. Please find an official source referencing this as canon or forget about the title. 🙂
