Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nope. Theres Multi- Eternity who is the proper multiverse (e.g all the What Ifs etc) and there are the universal Eternitys such as the 616 Eternity we know who make up this greater being and who themselves are pseudo multiverses in their own rights:Beyonder in 616, remarking on what hes discovered about that universe:
A recent on panel distinction between a Multi- Eternity and the universal/pseudo multiversal Eternity that we all know, Eternity 616.
These universal Eternitys all together make up this Multi-Eternity however given this recent on panel distinction in terms of role and name we cannot say as per current continuity that theres just one Eternity. There are two separate entity types, with the many smaller ones making up the bigger one. The smaller ones can be destroyed with no affect on each other or as far as we've seen this Multi Eternity as a whole. These smaller ones can be termed multiverses in their own right as aforementioned and they cannot as far as we've seen or been told on panel call upon the entire power of this Multi Eternity.
A HAND THAT HOLDS UNIVERSES
that was WAYYY before multi-eternity was ever introduced. 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nope. Theres Multi- Eternity who is the proper multiverse (e.g all the What Ifs etc) and there are the universal Eternitys such as the 616 Eternity we know who make up this greater being and who themselves are pseudo multiverses in their own rights:Beyonder in 616, remarking on what hes discovered about that universe:
Bull shit
I stomped this fallacy in the Beyonder thread, go read it and weep.
This the FOLLOWING Page,
the one that's been neglected to the onlookers:
Beyonder travels past the Dark Dimension, which is Outside of 616.
Beyonder travels past the Microverse, located in a completely Different,
and SEPARATE Universe.
Beyonder even reaches the Crossroads a Nexus of Realities,
located in-between countless UniverseS.
Beyonder Traveled across the Actual Multiverse,
(nigh-Infinite amount of Whole UniverseS)
NOT some imaginary Reality 616 Multiverse.
Nice try, did you really think I'd let you Fool us? ❌
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
A recent on panel distinction between a Multi- Eternityand the universal/pseudo multiversal Eternity that we all know, Eternity 616.
Bull shit
Where is it mentioned that those are "universal/pseudo multiversal" single Eternitys?
Nice try again.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
These universal Eternitys all together make up this Multi-Eternity however given this recent on panel distinction in terms of role and name we cannot say as per current continuity that theres just one Eternity. There are two separate entity types, with the many smaller ones making up the bigger one. The smaller ones can be destroyed with no affect on each other or as far as we've seen this Multi Eternity as a whole. These smaller ones can be termed multiverses in their own right as aforementioned and they cannot as far as we've seen or been told on panel call upon the entire power of this Multi Eternity.
Gibberish.
There is only One Eternity, who's made up of Aspects of himself.
There is ALL of Eternity, or Eternity's Totality or if one prefers Multi-Eternity,
(they ALL equal the Multiverse)
Then there's an Aspects or Single Realities of Eternity (countless UniverseS)
(which make up the Multiverse)
Now,
Eternity is ONE Consciousness,
and while erasing or killing ONE Aspect (a Single Universe) of Eternity will Not harm the Multiverse (his Totality) it's still the SAME Entity's Consciousness (namely ... Eternity)
Originally posted by leonidas[b]A HAND THAT HOLDS UNIVERSES
that was WAYYY before multi-eternity was ever introduced. [/B]
This was WAYYY before Multi-Eternity was ever introduced.
Every Eternity is part of the Totality of Eternity "Multi-Eternity" as though they were ONE.
This is the Divergent Reality (a whole Universe) Korvac Erased with the UN:
"I am the Spirit of the Universe that once existed here.
I am an Aspect (a Universe) of .... ALL Eternity" (the Multiverse)
Now this is that same Eternity telling us One Universe is just a PART of His TOTALITY:
Wait a minute!
As in this Single Eternity/Universe is the Multiverse?
"Of the nigh-Infinite number of Aspects that comprise MY Totality,
I am the only Aspect to succumb to Death"
"Eternity spoke of Infinite Universes beyond this"
Yes Dr Strange, as in OTHER Aspects. 🙂
Whatever ONE Reality/Eternity as in the 616 Universe experiences,
it's OBVIOUS, the TOTALITY of Eternity can FEEL/KNOW
those experiences too. Because well ... it's the SAME Entity in different forms.
So when I see Strange say,
"A HAND THAT HOLDS UNIVERSES"
I'm not surprised one bit,
after all, the same Eternity that is One Single Reality,
is the SAME Eternity that embodies the Multiverse.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Yeah sure why not. I take it you'll help me out with some scans right? 😉
Ultimate Fantastic Four, Ultimate Spider-man and Ultimate X-men--I would help but there's not so much I can do.
Originally posted by Mr Master
This was WAYYY before Multi-Eternity was ever introduced.Every Eternity is part of the Totality of Eternity "Multi-Eternity" [B]as though they were ONE
.This is the Divergent Reality (a whole Universe) Korvac Erased with the UN:
"I am the Spirit of the Universe that once existed here.I am an Aspect (a Universe) of .... ALL Eternity" (the Multiverse)
Now this is that same Eternity telling us One Universe is just a PART of His TOTALITY:
Wait a minute!
As in this Single Eternity/Universe is the Multiverse?
"Of the nigh-Infinite number of Aspects that comprise MY Totality,
I am the only Aspect to succumb to Death"
"Eternity spoke of Infinite Universes beyond this"Yes Dr Strange, as in OTHER Aspects. 🙂
Whatever ONE Reality/Eternity as in the 616 Universe experiences,
it's OBVIOUS, the TOTALITY of Eternity can FEEL/KNOW
those experiences too. Because well ... it's the SAME Entity in different forms.
So when I see Strange say,
"A HAND THAT HOLDS UNIVERSES"
I'm not surprised one bit,
after all, the same Eternity that is One Single Reality,
is the SAME Eternity that embodies the Multiverse. [/B]
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
This was before the Abraxas arc, and that Multi-Eternity was stated to be infinite, not near infinite.
And?
Which means?
I hope you're not saying there are Two Multi-Eternitys.
btw. There's no such thing as a truly "Infinite" Universe or Multiverse or whatever.
If every Universe or Multiverse was truly "Infinite"
there would be no room for Other Universes and Multiverses.
Originally posted by Mr Master
And?Which means?
I hope you're not saying there are Two Multi-Eternitys.
btw. There's no such thing as a truly "Infinite" Universe or Multiverse or whatever.
If every Universe or Multiverse was truly "Infinite"
there would be no room for Other Universes and Multiverses.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU❌
he is truley infinite as he stated, just not as powerful as a Celestial.
If something is truly infinite, nothing can be greater.
Otherwise the first variable was never truly infinite to begin with. 🙂
btw... Saying you have infinite power, and actually having infinite power are two completely different things. 😉
Originally posted by Mr Master
btw. There's no such thing as a truly "Infinite" Universe or Multiverse or whatever.If every Universe or Multiverse was truly "Infinite"
there would be no room for Other Universes and Multiverses.
Sure there is 🙂
I can take a point and translate it an infinite distance in one direction. That creates a "truly" infinite universe that happens to be linear.
If I take that same line I can translate it perpendicular to itself and discover again an infinte number of new infinte linear universes.
If I take the infinte plane formed by those linear universes and translate it perpendicular to itelf I find an infinite number of infinte planar universes.
And so and so ad infinitum.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosBut if everything stems from that one linear plane, then wouldn't all those other Universes be part of the same infinity?
Sure there is 🙂I can take a point and translate it an infinite distance in one direction. That creates a "truly" infinite universe that happens to be linear.
If I take that same line I can translate it perpendicular to itself and discover again an infinte number of new infinte linear universes.
If I take the infinte plane formed by those linear universes and translate it perpendicular to itelf I find an infinite number of infinte planar universes.
And so and so ad infinitum.
😛
Originally posted by Mr Master
This was WAYYY before Multi-Eternity was ever introduced.Every Eternity is part of the Totality of Eternity "Multi-Eternity" [B]as though they were ONE
.This is the Divergent Reality (a whole Universe) Korvac Erased with the UN:
"I am the Spirit of the Universe that once existed here.I am an Aspect (a Universe) of .... ALL Eternity" (the Multiverse)[/b]
that's your interpretation of his dialogue, but no where does it say multiverse. the idea of multi-eternity hadn't existed so how can you attribute the term?
Now this is that same Eternity telling us One Universe is just a PART of His TOTALITY:Wait a minute!
As in this Single Eternity/Universe is the Multiverse?
"Of the nigh-Infinite number of Aspects that comprise MY Totality,
I am the only Aspect to succumb to Death"
"Eternity spoke of Infinite Universes beyond this"
not necessarily. again, you're interpreting the scans based on what you know NOW. BEFORE mutli-eternity existed, ETERNITY (today's 'singular' version) itself was considered 'everything'. you can't go back and impose a retcon when no retcon has been officially made.
Yes Dr Strange, as in OTHER Aspects. 🙂Whatever ONE Reality/Eternity as in the 616 Universe experiences,
it's OBVIOUS, the TOTALITY of Eternity can FEEL/KNOW
those experiences too. Because well ... it's the SAME Entity in different forms.
you've no current evidence to support that notion. you're using scans from a time before mutli-eternity existed to support a theory you're postulating regarding mutli-eternity. that can't work.
from my scan we see clearly that eternity was considered to have been a multiverse. from your scan we can conclude the same thing. but NEITHER scan can in any way be used to support any notions regarding multi-eternity.
So when I see Strange say,"A HAND THAT HOLDS UNIVERSES"
I'm not surprised one bit,
after all, the same Eternity that is One Single Reality,
is the SAME Eternity that embodies the Multiverse.
but that eternity that once embodied the multiverse was NOT multi-eternity. sounds ridiculous to say, i know, but it's fact: multi didn't exist yet. there was just eternity. and we can't just say it was multi because that would mean strange met MULTI-eternity, that dormmammu battled MULTI-eternity, that MANY appearances by eternity were actually appearances by MULTI-eternity.
we don't have power or authority to retcon all those appearances. only mavel does.
i'm curious though: do you have a scan from somewhere that directly states that eternity (as it is viewed now) strictly represents a 'single' universe? you may have shown me, but i can't recall . . . 😮
Originally posted by Juntai
My point -- although I admit I've had a rough time finding a way to spell it out. -- is that the overlapped universes, seperated as such on wavelengths, is actually the basis of the very IDEA of a multiverse. It is something intrinsic to the concept. It is not exclusive to the DC universe. Many quantum mechanics, physics, and theories are grounded in it. What was one, became many, it's the very idea of divergent and alternate realities.If anything, all the scans in the breakdown you made long ago, is simply not just that the DC multiverse is weaker than another multiverse, but that the idea that the post-COIE Universe, was stronger than a multiverse. At least in terms of simplicity and cohesiveness[in more meanings than one]. Because it wasn't seperated as a multiverse is. . Which is exactly the point of Crisis on Infinite Earths, both in character, and editorially.
It was a full fledged multiversal infinitude. However, STRONGER as a single unit, stronger than a multiverse. It also kept many of the best aspects of each universe, including the heros, as I mentioned earlier.
But yes, I'll give you that most of Anti-Monitor's stuff was done with tech. Even fighting the then weaker Spectre, he was amping with all sorts of energy, and many of the strongest heros and villains of 5 universes. His threat was still the same, however, and he's still probably the most important bad-guy in comics history.
nice. 😉
i agree in particular with the 'the whole is greater than the sum of its parts' idea. and AM probably IS the most important bad guy in comics history.
