Genius

Originally posted by pcp
No one is a genius. It is simply delusion in the eyes of others. Some may see Shakespeare as a genius, but others may see him as pretentious. Some may see Hendrix as a genius, others may see him as a bloke making noise on a guitar. Because the word 'Genius' is subjective, no one can truly be a genius.

*high five*

Originally posted by pcp
No one is a genius. It is simply delusion in the eyes of others. Some may see Shakespeare as a genius, but others may see him as pretentious. Some may see Hendrix as a genius, others may see him as a bloke making noise on a guitar. Because the word 'Genius' is subjective, no one can truly be a genius.

Because people subjectively percept some others as genius, it doesn't mean that IT IS subjective...
It would mean that quality of some matter depends on it's viewers, if one, for example do not percept Michelangelo as genius it says much more on his level of consciousness than of Michelangelo...
And let me remind you that philosophy has nothing to do with doxa, ordinary thinking of most men, we are to try to find the essence...

This slowly becoming the "there is no reality" conversation.

Originally posted by argesilen

And let me remind you that philosophy has nothing to do with doxa, ordinary thinking of most men, we are to try to find the essence...

It has everything to do with the ordinary thinking of most men. This is part of the reason PCP said what he said. It's like you were proving his point 😆

Maybe we're all idiots and people like Newton aren't - that's more reasonable.

Originally posted by pcp
Maybe we're all idiots and people like Newton aren't - that's more reasonable.

Originally posted by chithappens
It has everything to do with the ordinary thinking of most men. This is part of the reason PCP said what he said. It's like you were proving his point 😆

or maybe you misunderstood me...

Originally posted by pcp
Maybe we're all idiots and people like Newton aren't - that's more reasonable.

Totally agree...

Originally posted by chithappens
This slowly becoming the "there is no reality" conversation.

maybe because these two things are connected, genius and reality... 🙄

Originally posted by Fishy
A genius is somebody that is better in his or her field then 99% of the others.

so if a runner runs faster than 99% of the competition, he is a genius?

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
so if a runner runs faster than 99% of the competition, he is a genius?

In running, yes.

how?

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
how?

How what? How I would tell him?

Probably by walking up to him and saying "You're a ****ing genius" or something like that.

If you mean how is he a genius? Well like said he's better then almost everybody else.

Originally posted by Fishy
If you mean how is he a genius? Well like said he's better then almost everybody else.

so whats the difference between a skilled individual and a genius?

i can't see how being fast makes you a genius

Why are some so quick to dismiss the phenomenon of "genius?" Are some people not way faster than others, or stronger, or taller, or more empathic or artistic or, yes, even more intelligent?

Genius: very high intelligence.
Intelligence...now here's something to play with. What's involved? Excellent memory? A keen logical mind? Insightful expression? Some executive function which integrates everything? Whatever it is, "genius" is the high-end version, either in one, some or multiple ways (meaning that "genius" doesn't come in only one flavor).

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
so whats the difference between a skilled individual and a genius?

i can't see how being fast makes you a genius

Sports is tricky because you don't think it would require somebody to think. But imagine a soccer player for instance, they would have to think about a lot. The greatest soccer players are geniuses on the field. Somebody who knows how to run, is probably a genius with something as well. Besides being a genius does not always have to relate to intelligence.

Originally posted by Inspectah Deck
so whats the difference between a skilled individual and a genius?
i can't see how being fast makes you a genius

Talent: an innate ability to do something very well. This could include intelligence (though usually, then, we say "gifted" or "genius"😉, but could also mean in a physical ability, like running, or playing soccer (in terms of tactics, a soccer player may be a "genius." But "genius" is not really the right word to use for someone who is, simply, a fast/agile runner/kicker. Then we would say talented, gifted or even "blessed"😉.

Skill: this usually implies some level of training to hone one's talent/gift. "Genius" is not a skill, though if one is, say, a musical genius, a certain level of training could help that person improve their methods/techniques/behaviors in expressing their genius.

Here's something interesting. In the official translations of Naruto people with extraordinary skill (in this in combat) are referred to as geniuses.

The meaning is quite clear even though a term like savant might fit better.

Thoughts?

Originally posted by argesilen
What do you think genius is? How would you describe it? Is it potential talent or something else? What genius is, and what isn't? Do you think that genius could be evil? And why? Who among philosophers is genius, and why? Is it defined by IQ or not?
And many other questions that I didn't ask are also welcome...

I'm not sure what you are asking. Genius would more or less be attributed with knowledge/wisdom or thinking in general. Genius in it of itself is nothing. SOMEONE can be a genius and whether or not that SOMEONE is good or evil speaks nothing to whether or not his Knowledge/Wisdom is good or evil (thinking applies as well).

To define what genius would be would be then to identify what the word "genius" is. The word genius is an adjective, and it usually describes someone of "great intelligence, who shows an exceptional natural capacity of intellect, especially as shown in creative and original work. The term may also be applied to someone who is a polymath or a prodigy."

So anybody who "sticks out" for their time would be considered genius'. However relativity plays a big part. To each his own. Like in a recent Albert vs. Newton Argument: "Sure Albert 'found' the theory of relativity, but Newton 'made' Trigonometry!" Ergo, some people would consider Newton a Genius over Albert Einstein.

Interesting thread. I've always wanted to know the accurate definition of a genius, because I am almost one. My IQ is 137, and genius starts at 140. So I'm only "highly intelligent." Kind of in-between.
I could talk before I could walk, I could speak fluently when I was eighteen months old, I could read when I was three, and now faster than others, I rarely make grammatical mistakes (when writing on my 1st language), I always worked up alternate solutions to math problems, could graduate 2 years earlier, speaking three languages (not counting the first), learning the 4th. When I was learning for my history exam, I read it once (from the first caveman to today) and I got a B. And basically, I'm interested in everything. And I am not a genius. So imagine what it would be like one. They are so lucky.
Is it genetic?