Canada's rich get richer while it's poor get poorer, new study shows.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Yes the state should pay. There is so much in life they never get to do or will never have the chance to experience, they deserve this much at least.

They are special because they are not where they are by choice, they are in this situation through a condition that is beyond their control. If they had the choice they wouldn't be.

Homeless people wouldn't be homeless if they had the choice, should we go and give them a house cable television enough money to go on vacation and the right to never work again a day in their life?

They don't deserve all of that crap, they deserve a life because that's what the government should provide for it's citizens. After that however it becomes their responsibility, and there are plenty of ways for them to get money and get their luxuries. If they for some can't or refuse to do that, then that's their problem. Just like it's a normals persons problem when he doesn't have enough money to pay for luxuries.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Reported for trolling.

Do you really think the mods are still listening to everything you report? That would be stupid of them.

Besides he's only telling the truth. You can't report people for telling the truth.

Originally posted by Fishy
Homeless people wouldn't be homeless if they had the choice, should we go and give them a house cable television enough money to go on vacation and the right to never work again a day in their life?

They don't deserve all of that crap, they deserve a life because that's what the government should provide for it's citizens. After that however it becomes their responsibility, and there are plenty of ways for them to get money and get their luxuries. If they for some can't or refuse to do that, then that's their problem. Just like it's a normals persons problem when he doesn't have enough money to pay for luxuries.

I never said anything about a vacation, I said since many of them are for the most part confined to their homes, providing them with something to watch is not out of the question.

And you need to stop thinking of them as normal people, they don't have anywhere near the advantages normal people do. The difference between them and the homeless is that there is some small hope the homeless might someday find work.

And how do you suggest people who are unable to work get money?

They are special because they are not where they are by choice, they are in this situation through a condition that is beyond their control.

Originally posted by Starhawk
I never said anything about a vacation, I said since many of them are for the most part confined to their homes, providing them with something to watch is not out of the question.

And you need to stop thinking of them as normal people, they don't have anywhere near the advantages normal people do. The difference between them and the homeless is that there is some small hope the homeless might someday find work.

And how do you suggest people who are unable to work get money?

They are special because they are not where they are by choice, they are in this situation through a condition that is beyond their control.

I already suggested a dozen things a dozen times, community housings save money on bills and housing costs, at the same time they can organize markets and what not and make money through that. Most of them still have some ability's and they could sell stuff in group shifts of course never for long hours or even steady hours, but they could still work. It wouldn't be a good company but it would do what it needs to do and the people wouldn't be paid a salary. All the costs would be picked up by the government who would otherwise have to pay for their houses.

The money they make can be spend on luxury goods. Now if the government would make it tax deductible for company's to spend money on projects like this you could likely find a lot of sponsors. And thus make it even easier and more profitable.

If they don't want to live in community housing then that's their own choice and their own problem and they should suffer the consequences.

Originally posted by Fishy
I already suggested a dozen things a dozen times, community housings save money on bills and housing costs, at the same time they can organize markets and what not and make money through that. Most of them still have some ability's and they could sell stuff in group shifts of course never for long hours or even steady hours, but they could still work. It wouldn't be a good company but it would do what it needs to do and the people wouldn't be paid a salary. All the costs would be picked up by the government who would otherwise have to pay for their houses.

The money they make can be spend on luxury goods. Now if the government would make it tax deductible for company's to spend money on projects like this you could likely find a lot of sponsors. And thus make it even easier and more profitable.

If they don't want to live in community housing then that's their own choice and their own problem and they should suffer the consequences.

Again you lack any and all compassion.

Community housing is a 7-10 year wait list.

Workplaces won't hire people who cannot work a steady shift. And those with extreme pain or fatigue can't work period.

And no, just because they are disabled does not mean they shouldn't have the right to live on their own. The government simply has to provide it for them.

I find it so amusing that your jealous of what a group of people should get, when that same group of people would gladly give it all up to be healthy and abled like you.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Again you lack any and all compassion.

Community housing is a 7-10 year wait list.

Workplaces won't hire people who cannot work a steady shift. And those with extreme pain or fatigue can't work period.

And no, just because they are disabled does not mean they shouldn't have the right to live on their own. The government simply has to provide it for them.

I find it so amusing that your jealous of what a group of people should get, when that same group of people would gladly give it all up to be healthy and abled like you.

Are you stupid or can you just not read? Probably both right?

I said the housing projects should start more things.

If more people apply for such places then it becomes possible to open more of them.

And they have the right to life on their own, just without any luxuries. "Normal" people have to sacrifice shit to have luxuries as well, so why shouldn't disabled people?

And I am not jealous because of what you think people should get, I'm happy to have what I have. There are a lot of people that don't have what I have, and there are plenty of people that have more. But seeing as we don't live in a communist society we shouldn't give everybody the same. People have to sacrifice something in order to get something else. Even disabled people.

You just want disabled people to have whatever they want so you can sit at home all day eating pizza and becoming fat while watching cable TV alone.

your scans are now ready, sir

42% of legally blind people aged 18-54 were employed in the U.S. between 1994-95. AFA

In a study conducted in 1992 of 286 people with spinal cord injury, overall 48% of people with spinal cord injury, including paraplegia and quadriplegia, had some employment after injury.
Archives of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation, February 1992, vol. 73, p. 163

Meanwhile you want to give people with unspecified "pain and fatigue," like yourself and your psychosomatic disease which you're only pretending you have on here anyway, cable TV and other luxuries, because they're "special," and you're oh so compassionate.

You're a douche.

Originally posted by Fishy

I said the housing projects should start more things.

If more people apply for such places then it becomes possible to open more of them.

And they have the right to life on their own, just without any luxuries. "Normal" people have to sacrifice shit to have luxuries as well, so why shouldn't disabled people?

And I am not jealous because of what you think people should get, I'm happy to have what I have. There are a lot of people that don't have what I have, and there are plenty of people that have more. We shouldn't give everybody the same. People have to sacrifice something in order to get something else. Even disabled people.

You just want disabled people to have whatever they want so you can sit at home all day eating pizza and becoming fat while watching cable TV alone.

That is one of the most ignorant things you have even said.

There reason the wait list for affordable housing is so long is because there is so many people on it. Yet the government is dragging its heels on it.

They should have the right to live on their own and have at least cable paid for so that the large portion of disabled people who are confined to their homes can at least have something to watch.

You are jealous, you look at them and hate that they get money without working and totally ignore the fact of how many advantages you get over them.

They sacrifice enough already living with their conditions, that is enough.

Originally posted by Starhawk
That is one of the most ignorant things you have even said.

There reason the wait list for affordable housing is so long is because there is so many people on it. Yet the government is dragging its heels on it.

They should have the right to live on their own and have at least cable paid for so that the large portion of disabled people who are confined to their homes can at least have something to watch.

You are jealous, you look at them and hate that they get money without working and totally ignore the fact of how many advantages you get over them.

They sacrifice enough already living with their conditions, that is enough.

You are talking about affordable housing, I'm talking about special housing for the disabled... Learn to read.

They should have the right to live on their own yes, but they shouldn't have all the luxuries they want. If they want luxuries make them do something for it, most can and the things I mentioned are very doable.

I am not jealous, if you really think that then you are an idiot.

They don't sacrifice anything, they don't have anything. Everything the people that can't work have is through the state. Those that can work sacrifice something. The other people don't, they should sacrifice something for their luxuries though just like everybody else.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
42% of legally blind people aged 18-54 were employed in the U.S. between 1994-95. AFA

In a study conducted in 1992 of people with spinal cord injury, overall 48% of people with spinal cord injury, including paraplegia and quadriplegia, had some employment after injury.
Archives of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation, February 1992, vol. 73, p. 163

Meanwhile you want to give people with unspecified "pain and fatigue" cable TV and other luxuries, because they're "special," and you're oh so compassionate.

Do you have any links? And that was over 10 years ago, got anything more current?

And if you researched any sites about those conditions you would see there is nothing unspecified about those conditions.

Yes I am compassionate, I am currently lobbying my government to reform the funding to disabled people I have made appointments with my local newspaper and tv station to see if I can get them to run stories about this also since this is an election year I am trying to put pressure on the current government, some lawyers in my city have got together and now offer free legal services to people suing the government to get coverage.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Do you have any links? And that was over 10 years ago, got anything more current?

😆

You are asking for links? What kind of a hypocrite are you?

what type of disabled are we talking about?

There are many people who are incapable of living on their own, be it for physiological or psychological reasons. I think Starhawk is focusing on the hardest level of disabled to deal with.

People who are so disabled that it is obvious they need outside help (severe schitzophrenics fall into this camp) don't really mind that peope change their diapers for them and bathe them. People who have mild developmental delays or other minor psychological or physical disorders have a much more difficult time.

In many cases, they are JUST disabled enough to not take care of themselves, yet just cognisent enough to feel embarassed by the fact that they are grown adults being taken care of.

I can give you case studies from my personal experience, but Starhawk is addressing the people who fall into a category that there is some help for, though maybe not exactly what they need. However, these people are always the most resistant to help given the fact that their ego has not been damaged.

Originally posted by Fishy
You are talking about affordable housing, I'm talking about special housing for the disabled.

They should have the right to live on their own yes, but they shouldn't have all the luxuries they want. If they want luxuries make them do something for it, most can and the things I mentioned are very doable.

They don't sacrifice anything, they don't have anything. Everything the people that can't work have is through the state. Those that can work sacrifice something. The other people don't, they should sacrifice something for their luxuries though just like everybody else.

I really don't mind editing out the childish portions of your posts.

And you are talking about group homes, which they should not have to live in.

No most cannot do anything about it. They cannot work and therefore the government has to step in and do it for them.

They already do sacrifice, they sacrifice the fact that they are not healthy and able-bodied.

Originally posted by inimalist
what type of disabled are we talking about?

There are many people who are incapable of living on their own, be it for physiological or psychological reasons. I think Starhawk is focusing on the hardest level of disabled to deal with.

People who are so disabled that it is obvious they need outside help (severe schitzophrenics fall into this camp) don't really mind that peope change their diapers for them and bathe them. People who have mild developmental delays or other minor psychological or physical disorders have a much more difficult time.

In many cases, they are JUST disabled enough to not take care of themselves, yet just cognisent enough to feel embarassed by the fact that they are grown adults being taken care of.

I can give you case studies from my personal experience, but Starhawk is addressing the people who fall into a category that there is some help for, though maybe not exactly what they need. However, these people are always the most resistant to help given the fact that their ego has not been damaged.

No he's talking about all disabled people. None of them can work, get an education or do anything useful. They should all just sit at home and watch cable TV.

Originally posted by Starhawk

And you are talking about group homes, which they should not have to live in.

Originally posted by inimalist
In many cases, they are JUST disabled enough to not take care of themselves, yet just cognisent enough to feel embarassed by the fact that they are grown adults being taken care of.

I can give you case studies from my personal experience, but Starhawk is addressing the people who fall into a category that there is some help for, though maybe not exactly what they need. However, these people are always the most resistant to help given the fact that their ego has not been damaged.

man, did I see where that was going or what?

Originally posted by Starhawk
Do you have any links? And that was over 10 years ago, got anything more current?

And if you researched any sites about those conditions you would see there is nothing unspecified about those conditions.

The full reference to the study is there, douche.

Where are your scans?

I know you're putting your idiopathic psychosomatic chronic fatigue alongside actual illnesses, Squawky. Meanwhile vision impaired people can work, and even SCI patients can work. While people with your "pain and fatigue" can't because they're special.

Oh, and where are your scans?

Originally posted by Starhawk
Yes I am compassionate, I am currently lobbying my government to reform the funding to disabled people I have made appointments with my local newspaper and tv station to see if I can get them to run stories about this also since this is an election year I am trying to put pressure on the current government, some lawyers in my city have got together and now offer free legal services to people suing the government to get coverage.

Originally posted by Fishy
No he's talking about all disabled people. None of them can work, get an education or do anything useful. They should all just sit at home and watch cable TV.

wow

the severe schitzophrenics I worked with had work provided for them through the group homes...

what a tyrrany they must be, all supported by both public and private funds, making sure people have things to do all day and that they maintain dignity.

Its almost like the system he wants exists, but there is some other reason why the disabled people he is refering to don't get the help

Originally posted by inimalist
what type of disabled are we talking about?

There are many people who are incapable of living on their own, be it for physiological or psychological reasons. I think Starhawk is focusing on the hardest level of disabled to deal with.

People who are so disabled that it is obvious they need outside help (severe schitzophrenics fall into this camp) don't really mind that peope change their diapers for them and bathe them. People who have mild developmental delays or other minor psychological or physical disorders have a much more difficult time.

In many cases, they are JUST disabled enough to not take care of themselves, yet just cognisent enough to feel embarrassed by the fact that they are grown adults being taken care of.

I can give you case studies from my personal experience, but Starhawk is addressing the people who fall into a category that there is some help for, though maybe not exactly what they need. However, these people are always the most resistant to help given the fact that their ego has not been damaged.

Excuse me but no, they are not resistant in anyway, and why on earth should they feel embarrassed? It's not their fault that they are in the situation they are in. They have nothing to feel ashamed for.

Without post secondary education, the vast majority of disabled people are unemployable. And almost all of them cannot obtain post secondary education due to lack of funding or accommodations.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Excuse me but no, they are not resistant in anyway, and why on earth should they feel embarrassed? It's not their fault that they are in the situation they are in. They have nothing to feel ashamed for.

Without post secondary education, the vast majority of disabled people are unemployable. And almost all of them cannot obtain post secondary education due to lack of funding or accommodations.

And again public housing projects for disabled could get them to work in group projects and could get them money, it would also provide them with housing and more money for luxuries.

And yes disabled people do feel ashamed for their condition. They don't like not being able to take care of themselves, at least most don't.

Originally posted by inimalist
wow

the severe schitzophrenics I worked with had work provided for them through the group homes...

Its almost like the system he wants exists, but there is some other reason why the disabled people he is refering to don't get the help

The system I want does not exist, minimum wage went up 20% while disability pension only went up 2%

They don't get the help because the funding is not there for them.