Xmen vs avengers vs jla

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
His offense is at least enough to make a good distraction against the other teams (keep freezing or trying to liquify them). His durability is what makes him the biggest asset. With Cable or Nate protecting his mind there isn't much that can be done to him that he won't reform from.

If the opposing psychics are taken out of the picture some how the only way Bobby is going to be beaten is by BFR.

Nate has that armor thing he can give people right? That would probably keep Mags in the fight for a long time and let him screw with people for a while until Cable or Nate can go on a major offensive.

No one can survive Iceman stealing their liquid 😄

It's instant kill ^^

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
I remember that incident with paperclip and blowing hole into the floor. Poor Julian isn't used to being at full potential...but he's definetely powerful one.
The most powerful of current New X-Men. Elixir might have unlimited potential, but Julian already has his potential unlocked.

Yeah, but I wonder how strong Rockslide is nowadays. I'm guessing slightly weaker than Colossus or something.

Is there a new x-men discussion thread?

Originally posted by llagrok
No one can survive Iceman stealing their liquid 😄

It's instant kill ^^

Not always especially against people like WonderWoman who is resistant to that kind of thing and WonderMan who (when ionic has no water). Plus he needs to get a chance to target them. Most of the people here are faster than he is.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Not always especially against people like WonderWoman who is resistant to that kind of thing and WonderMan who (when ionic has no water). Plus he needs to get a chance to target them. Most of the people here are faster than he is.

He doesn't have to target them.

She can't just "resist" it.

Originally posted by llagrok
He doesn't have to target them.

So . . . anyone he doesn't like just dies instantly whether he knows where they are or not?

Originally posted by llagrok
She can't just "resist" it.

Elaborate.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So . . . anyone he doesn't like just dies instantly whether he knows where they are or not?

Okay, he has to target the one he's going to absorb from. But how is she supposed to know that? She has no idea what he's capable of.

How can she just resist it? It's not something that has anything to do with willpower.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
His offense is at least enough to make a good distraction against the other teams (keep freezing or trying to liquify them). His durability is what makes him the biggest asset. With Cable or Nate protecting his mind there isn't much that can be done to him that he won't reform from.

If the opposing psychics are taken out of the picture some how the only way Bobby is going to be beaten is by BFR.

Nate has that armor thing he can give people right? That would probably keep Mags in the fight for a long time and let him screw with people for a while until Cable or Nate can go on a major offensive.

I don't think Cable is going to be able to protect Iceman from psychic attacks and Nate do the armor thing for Magneto all while dealing with Manhunter. MM is too powerful for even these two psychics to multitask against.

Doesn't it take Iceman awhile to reform once he's been destroyed?

Originally posted by llagrok
Okay, he has to target the one he's going to absorb from. But how is she supposed to know that? She has no idea what he's capable of.

How can she just resist it? It's not something that has anything to do with willpower.

Read the rules. They are all fully aware of their opponents abilities.

Originally posted by llagrok
Okay, he has to target the one he's going to absorb from. But how is she supposed to know that? She has no idea what he's capable of.

Are you making the argument that everyone else will just stand there and LET Iceman kill them?

How can she just resist it? It's not something that has anything to do with willpower. [/B][/QUOTE]

It's not a will power thing. Part of WW's powers is that you can't screw with her insides.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
I don't think Cable is going to be able to protect Iceman from psychic attacks and Nate do the armor thing for Magneto all while dealing with Manhunter. MM is too powerful for even these two psychics to multitask against.

srug So they let Mags die. They don't have to give Bobby complete protection either all they really need to do is distract Manhunter until they can solve the problem of how to get rid of him.

With a good concerted effort Nate and Cable would be able to take MM out of the picture for a while.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Doesn't it take Iceman awhile to reform once he's been destroyed?

Yes. However he's not much less dangerous in a vaporized form.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
I don't think Cable is going to be able to protect Iceman from psychic attacks and Nate do the armor thing for Magneto all while dealing with Manhunter. MM is too powerful for even these two psychics to multitask against.

Doesn't it take Iceman awhile to reform once he's been destroyed?

Haven't seen anyone capable of mindblasting Nate and Cable yet. Nate's telepathy is far above anyone we've seen yet. Nate can also give his armor to anyone he wishes, which makes the durable enough to take punches from the hulk. Creating it takes a second.

Giving everyone complete knowledge over their opponents powers is just complete bullshit. Makes it impossible for the Avengers and X-men to win.

Wonder if Magneto can cancel out everyone's powers...

Originally posted by llagrok
Giving everyone complete knowledge over their opponents powers is just complete bullshit. Makes it impossible for the Avengers and X-men to win./B]

They get basic knowledge. And it's not bull it's just a way to make the fights more reasonable.

Originally posted by llagrok
[B]Wonder if Magneto can cancel out everyone's powers...

He can't. That power has only worked on mutants.

Originally posted by llagrok
Telekinesis.

When I see a scan of Iceman killing a student with flash freeze, or any person for that matter. I'll believe you.

Hellion has no scruples when it comes to attacking friends/teachers.

Until then, Telekinesis protects him 🙂

And, IIRC, Julian has never demonstrated fine enough control to be able to keep every individual water molecule in his body from being frozen.

"By the way everyone has complete knowledge of everyones powers"

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

srug So they let Mags die. They don't have to give Bobby complete protection either all they really need to do is distract Manhunter until they can solve the problem of how to get rid of him.

With a good concerted effort Nate and Cable would be able to take MM out of the picture for a while.

True. I believe given enough time and effort, they will both be victorious against MM. But that leaves Superman, Orion, and Wonder Woman the task of dealing with Magneto and Iceman. Each one of them have taken on and beaten beings far more powerful than either one of these two.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yes. However he's not much less dangerous in a vaporized form.

We're not even sure if Iceman's vapor form would affect these 4. They don't need air to breathe. There's a good chance they don't need moisture either. But, I don't want to get into the scientifics behind that.

How exactly can Iceman affect them in this form?

Originally posted by celestialdemon
We're not even sure if Iceman's vapor form would affect these 4. They don't need air to breathe. There's a good chance they don't need moisture either. But, I don't want to get into the scientifics behind that.

How exactly can Iceman affect them in this form?

Well one Iceman gets inside them (I think he can control his motion even as a gas) he could probably start doing tons of damage to them.

Odds are they have some sort of moisture in them. If IM starts messing with that their fighting ability will drop off sharply.

Originally posted by llagrok
Haven't seen anyone capable of mindblasting Nate and Cable yet. Nate's telepathy is far above anyone we've seen yet. Nate can also give his armor to anyone he wishes, which makes the durable enough to take punches from the hulk. Creating it takes a second.

Giving everyone complete knowledge over their opponents powers is just complete bullshit. Makes it impossible for the Avengers and X-men to win.

Wonder if Magneto can cancel out everyone's powers...

Neither one could take Onslaught. Now, I'm not debating if MM is on Onslaught's level. Just pointing out that it is possible to be more powerful than them.

If Nate gives his armor to someone else, doesn't that kind of leave himself open to attack?

As for having knowledge of their opponents' powers, that's the thread starter's rules, so that's what we have to take into account.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Neither one could take Onslaught. Now, I'm not debating if MM is on Onslaught's level. Just pointing out that it is possible to be more powerful than them.

If Nate gives his armor to someone else, doesn't that kind of leave himself open to attack?

As for having knowledge of their opponents' powers, that's the thread starter's rules, so that's what we have to take into account.

There's no point in debating this. DC basically has no speed limits. Wonder woman and MM are just too fast.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Well one Iceman gets inside them (I think he can control his motion even as a gas) he could probably start doing tons of damage to them.

Odds are they have some sort of moisture in them. If IM starts messing with that their fighting ability will drop off sharply.

I know that it is very exhausting for Iceman to revert to vapor form, so I think I will have to see him actually perform an attack like this on someone who is herald level or above before I take this into account.

Originally posted by llagrok
There's no point in debating this. DC basically has no speed limits. Wonder woman and MM are just too fast.

Very true. With the speedblitz in place, it's not going to be that great of a battle

if iceman weren't such a jackass he could just disperse his consciousness into every available bit of moisture in the air, all of them have to breath he could kill them from the inside out, he should conceivably be able to separate the hydrogen and oxygen molecules that make up water and then wait for somebody with heat vision to blow everybody straight to hell. I really don't see MM taking on nate and cable telepathically simultaneously without a major problem. nate can also solidify telepathic constructs can telekinetically cause dust to take the form of anything he can imagine to add to the confusion. my main problem with this, is that out of the xmen only one is an xman, iceman. Cable is to on and off to be considered a real member, nate never joined, and magneto has only been one in alternate realities, except when he was pretending to be xaivers brother or something like that when he was the new mutants headmaster. if cable has his psimitar he can plunge it into MMs head destroying both of their powers like he planned to do to jean when he thought she might be going dark phoenix. nate has also shown the ability to freeze localized time, like he did when he and threnody were walking in some blizzard and everything including the snow and the birds froze in place i think it's the same issue he was attacked by exodus. if cable and nates powers are as strong as they are portrayed to be then they should be able to erect forcefields that can withstand anything, and now we know, thanks to psylocke and rachel, that telekinetics can combine their powers into something much stronger,but then again nate and cable might take each other out since being in close proximity to each other causes some kind of psionic feedback due to them having almost identical psi signatures or some such nonsense. magento has been shown in the past to be quite adapt at protecting his mind from most forms of telepathic intrusions. i could care less what happens to any of the avengers.