Originally posted by Alfheim
I dunno man arent there like more important things to worry about apart from wearing bikinis in public buildings.I wouldnt call the law atrocious. 😬 (If it exists)
I would. As I did.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Lets all stutter.D-do you even know what a burkha is? 😐 I don't think you do.
Hmm, yeah I don't really see why THIS should be banned in banks and public buildings.
Yes, i do know what it is. Can you now address my points like a reasonable person instead of ignoring them like....well, you.
Also, can you read? If so, would you reread what I said and your answer and then tell me what is wrong with it? I suppose you can dodge and change the issues with other debaters here, but I can actually remember what was said more than 2 posts ago, so...stop doing it, it is childish.
Originally posted by AlfheimIt's not my stutter.
Er no im hijacking Bardocks stutter and nobody else. If you start doing it then everyone might start doing it. 😒:Well yeah I can see why that shouldnt be allowed in public buildings. 😬
Originally posted by lil bitchinessPlease do. I would be curious...thanks.
It falls under the Public Indecency act, of the Public Order section (I think, I need to check, since thats not really my area) about indecent exposure, ie nakiddness!!💃
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Research[b]High bone turnover in Muslim women with vitamin D deficiency
by
Medical journal of Australiahttp://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/177_03_050802/dia10809_fm.html
http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/175_05_030901/mason/mason.html [/B]
OHHHH!!!! Fabulous. However, these studies were done in Australia, not in the Middle East. Naturally, like most people in the world, you can only read the title and not the actual science.
The study noted that there was a recent "a resurgence of vitamin D deficiency" and NEVER compared statistical data from Muslims to any other group. The values that they conducted the statistical tests against we're likely ethereal values that didn't represent the norm for people with skin color approximating that of Muslim women (assuming there is a correlation between religion and skin color, which, I think you would find).
Even better, none of this actually links dress patterns with Vitamin D deficiency. This is ASSUMED and factors like poverty that could have even more severe effects on vitamin deficiency were not taken into account. The study links Vitamin D with high bone turnover, which is already known. So basically, you haven't given me anything, as usual...only filler.
Besides...you're TOTALLY neglecting the great skin care benefits Muslim women can receive by keeping themselves covered. That you can't get elsewhere, and you can get your vitamin D just by leaving your food in the sun, you don't have to synthesize it all yourself. Its weighing benefits, lil....and as usual you can't separate your bigotry from fact.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I would. As I did.Yes, i do know what it is. Can you now address my points like a reasonable person instead of ignoring them like....well, you.
Also, can you read? If so, would you reread what I said and your answer and then tell me what is wrong with it? I suppose you can dodge and change the issues with other debaters here, but I can actually remember what was said more than 2 posts ago, so...stop doing it, it is childish.
It's not my stutter.
Please do. I would be curious...thanks.
What exactly did you say that I didn't address.
You said we don't have dress codes. We do when it comes to public buildings, such as I stated above. Burkha cannot be worn in public buildings or banks for a reason, nor it should be allowed, for security reasons.
The argument about Burkha in France and currently in Britain is about above. France banned burkha, because of such reasons.
Now, what revelation did you bring up that I didn't address?
Originally posted by Alliance
OHHHH!!!! Fabulous. However, these studies were done in Australia, not in the Middle East. Naturally, like most people in the world, you can only read the title and not the actual science.The study noted that there was a recent "a resurgence of vitamin D deficiency" and NEVER compared statistical data from Muslims to any other group. The values that they conducted the statistical tests against we're likely ethereal values that didn't represent the norm for people with skin color approximating that of Muslim women (assuming there is a correlation between religion and skin color, which, I think you would find).
Even better, none of this actually links dress patterns with Vitamin D deficiency. This is ASSUMED and factors like poverty that could have even more severe effects on vitamin deficiency were not taken into account. The study links Vitamin D with high bone turnover, which is already known. So basically, you haven't given me anything, as usual...only filler.
Besides...you're TOTALLY neglecting the great skin care benefits Muslim women can receive by keeping themselves covered. That you can't get elsewhere, and you can get your vitamin D just by leaving your food in the sun, you don't have to synthesize it all yourself. Its weighing benefits, lil....and as usual you can't separate your bigotry from fact.
Now, I am asking you to provide me with research which counter argues that, otherwise your argument is merely an opinion, without a single fact.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You asked me to provide you with research. I provided medical research to back my argument.Now, I am asking you to provide me with research which counter argues that, otherwise your argument is merely an opinion, without a single fact.
Whats the purpose of theat study? To establish that there is a correlation between Vitamin D deficiency and high bone turnover in Muslim women. Ironically, what they observed is what one would expect in any human. No suprizes there.
Nowhere in that study does it provide any evidence that there is a correlation between traditional Muslim Dress and Vitamin D deficiency.
Originally posted by AllianceI think I'll throw in the fact that clothes have a very low SPF rating and don't actually stop very much of our absorbtion of UV radiation. Therefore, there shouldn't be vitamin D deficiency if they go outside, fully clothed or not.
Whats the purpose of theat study? To establish that there is a correlation between Vitamin D deficiency and high bone turnover in Muslim women. Ironically, what they observed is what one would expect in any human. No suprizes there.Nowhere in that study does it provide any evidence that there is a correlation between traditional Muslim Dress and Vitamin D deficiency.
Originally posted by inimalist
no, I'm not an extremist by any means. I love to look at pretty girls, and things like porn and strippers don't elicit the same response from me.There is a line somewhere, I'll be damned if I know where to draw it. Maybe something like "If you spend more time of the day worrying about your clothing/appearance than reading" is where the problem lies.
women/girls shud not be forced into dressing up/thinking/acting in ANY way because of the pressure of the society around them, be it islamic/conservative, or openly liberal whod demeen a girl if she didnt show skin. n porn isnt real, and it isnt hot cause it makes the bpdy unnatural and ugly.
burqas are an extreme, they shud be banned. theyr not done by choice. its forced in islam. also women who claim to do it by choice are brainwashed. it is an extreme. i mean you cant go around naked in a public place even if ur NOT brainwashed and really want to do it of ur own free will. thas an extreme too. but burqas, it is established, are a sign of oppression in islam which is forced physically and psychologically.
and let me tell u sumthin, burqas are Fn HOT!!!!!!!!!{as in temperature wise} i live in pakistan, i ought to know, temperature here can go WELL above 50 degrees CELSIUS, and humidity can also go through the roof. its terrible for ur health to wear aburqa, and oddly, the most sunstrokes here happen to either people on a motorcycle out unprotected or women in burqas.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Okay, bitchi, here is the question about the actual topic:Do you think women should be banned from wearing Burkhas when walking around the street in the Western world?
Even if she did not answer the question these are probably the reasons why she doesnt want burqas worn in the west.
Originally posted by leonheartmmburqas are an extreme, they shud be banned. theyr not done by choice. its forced in islam. also women who claim to do it by choice are brainwashed. it is an extreme. i mean you cant go around naked in a public place even if ur NOT brainwashed and really want to do it of ur own free will. thas an extreme too. but burqas, it is established, are a sign of oppression in islam which is forced physically and psychologically.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
and let me tell u sumthin, burqas are Fn HOT!!!!!!!!!{as in temperature wise} i live in pakistan, i ought to know, temperature here can go WELL above 50 degrees CELSIUS, and humidity can also go through the roof. its terrible for ur health to wear aburqa, and oddly, the most sunstrokes here happen to either people on a motorcycle out unprotected or women in burqas.
Originally posted by AlfheimN-no, it's supposed to be an "Oh" as in an exclamation of surprise.
Is that supposed to be Or? I think my examples are pretty good reasons why a burqa should be banned, what do you think? Im not really down with the vitamin D example.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Is that supposed to be Or? I think my examples are pretty good reasons why a burqa should be banned, what do you think? Im not really down with the vitamin D example.
Well, for one it does not seem to be proven. It seems to be a bullshit argument to support some sort of biased idiotic view. And regardless, if a person wants a lack Vitamin D that is their decision.
Sure, it is not good that they are forced to wear it...but, it would also be unfair to not allow anyone to wear it. It's their decision. And it should be.
Originally posted by Bardock42
N-no, it's supposed to be an "Oh" as in an exclamation of surprise.
OK ok people do make spelling mistakes you know. No need to start stammering...gezzz.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, for one it does not seem to be proven. It seems to be a bullshit argument to support some sort of biased idiotic view. And regardless, if a person wants a lack Vitamin D that is their decision.
I dont agree with it anyway.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Sure, it is not good that they are forced to wear it...but, it would also be unfair to not allow anyone to wear it. It's their decision. And it should be.
Well in that case I agree with you. I just think its what its associated with, I really dont think anybody in their right mind would want to ear it. Also I do think if you were teaching children or you were having a businnes meeting they shouldnt wear it.
Originally posted by Alliance
Whats the purpose of theat study? To establish that there is a correlation between Vitamin D deficiency and high bone turnover in Muslim women. Ironically, what they observed is what one would expect in any human. No suprizes there.Nowhere in that study does it provide any evidence that there is a correlation between traditional Muslim Dress and Vitamin D deficiency.
Purpose of the research is outlined in the research. Please address what I asked you to.
Originally posted by Bardock42
In Amsterdamn they have implemented a law of cutting social benefits to unemployed women wearing burkha on the grounds that makes them unemployable to predoninantly non-muslims country.
(see wiki, or spiegel online)
Originally posted by Alfheim
Im not really down with the vitamin D example.
Thank you.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Purpose of the research is outlined in the research.
Yeah, and you misconstrue it. Your paper and your mouth are saying different things and it doesn't add up.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Please address what I asked you to.
If Vitamin D deficiencies is not shown to be a problem among native populations wearing burkas, why should I take my time to address unbased hypotheses? Especially from you?
Originally posted by Alliance
Thank you.Yeah, and you misconstrue it. Your paper and your mouth are saying different things and it doesn't add up.
If Vitamin D deficiencies is not shown to be a problem among native populations wearing burkas, why should I take my time to address unbased hypotheses? Especially from you?
Perhaps if you bothered to read what I posted, it would show you the opposite. Second, it is not from ME, since I didn't propose or do research. Its the research I read which lead to my conclusion.
READ -
Risk groups include veiled women
http://www.asetts.org.au/Vit%20D%20BP%20for%20HP.pdf
The Journal of Nutrition confirms -
Subclinical Vitamin D Deficiency Is Increased in Adolescent Girls Who Wear Concealing Clothing
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/135/2/218
http://www.rwh.org.au/rwhcpg/maternity.cfm?doc_id=6112
Research on vialed Turkish women http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conte...69?crawler=true
(I have access to this through my university for free, if anyone wants a full text)
Now provide me with research with states that vitamin D is NOT a problem among women wearing burkha.
If you can't be bothered to read, in the article it says -
Groups at risk -
People who cover their skin and
heads with clothing and veils for cultural or religious reasons.
Why? Insufficient skin is exposed for the body to synthesize
adequate Vitamin D.
Study NOt in Australia says -
Over the past decade, the majority of cases with rickets in developed countries occurred in breast-fed infants, children with dark skin, or those who remain fully clothed for religious or social reasons, i.e., those at greatest risk for inadequate vitamin D production from sun exposure (2,3). Additionally, it was noted that deficiency of vitamin D in infants increasingly depends on their mother’s vitamin D status in some ethnic groups of developed countries (4). Recent reports on vitamin D deficiency and/or rickets in adolescence pointed out a high prevalence in the Middle East (5–9). Vitamin D deficiency during adolescence may lead to carpopedal spasms, diffuse limb pains, deformities of the lower limbs, and generalized weakness (5).
Recent reports from Middle Eastern countries have also emphasized the relation between deficiency of vitamin D and life style, i.e., concealing clothing (5–7).
Rep 7 - El-Hajj Fuleihan, G., Nabulsi, M., Choucair, M., Salamoun, M., Hajj Shahine, C., Kizirian, A. & Tannous, R. (2001) Hypovitaminosis D in healthy schoolchildren. Pediatrics 107:E53.
Rep 5 (edit/ its not free full text just abstract for those without subscribtion, I just tried) http://adc.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/84/6/501?ijkey=cee0bb5823ea659fb46bf3c8c48700c8419b3cf0&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha