Bible:Women Should Dress Modesty !!

My, I certainly have to beat this out of you 🙂

Its well known that reduced sunlight exposure reduces the amount of vitamin D synthesized. However, severe vitamin D deficiencies have been abserved in healthy populations of girls in developed nations (G Das1, S Crocombe2, M McGrath1, J L Berry3 and M Z Mughal2)

Vitamin D deficiencies are higher among poor, urban, non-white adolescent girls everywhere. ALL of those factors contribute, so its stupid to make an argument relying only on dress when those factors have not been comprehensively addressed.

Lastly, this whole deal is stupid becuase such 'deficeincies" can be corrected by nutritional supplements or by proper nutrition.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Its already banned in France, Netherlands, and its on its way to being banned in England.

Does that mean it is good to ban it?

Also, what are the terms of the ban?

And do you have any evidence to back that up?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Following countries have either banned it or are proposing to do so - Turkey, Netherlands, Belgium, France, Uk, Germany, Italy, Denmark.

Not heard of it in Germany, but possible. Again, so what? Are you into creating tangent topics?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Whats your point again?

That if a country states that religious freedom should be protected and that freedom of expression is granted it should not be mandtory for Islamic women to not wear a Burka.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I don't think ''would I ban'' is relevant, since officials of said countries have already done so or are in the process of doing so.

It is relevant though. Since I was asking about your opinion, and not whether other people agree with it.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Do I support? Yes.

Good, why?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
In Amsterdamn they have implemented a law of cutting social benefits to unemployed women wearing burkha on the grounds that makes them unemployable to predoninantly non-muslims country.

(see wiki, or spiegel online)

Different issue I would say. Bad analogy...

Anyways, they get punished because the employers are ignorant. It's like cutting it for gay people because employers are homophobe and they could just screw women instead.

I support it for security reasons -

identification mostly. I don't believe Muslims women will go on a rampage of murder and robbery. But there are people who might use the given dress freedom to do such, and identification wont be possible.

I don't really have a problem with headscarf or long dresses or such. As long as face is not covered.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I support it for security reasons -

identification mostly. I don't believe Muslims women will go on a rampage of murder and robbery. But there are people who might use the given dress freedom to do such, and identification wont be possible.

I don't really have a problem with headscarf or long dresses or such. As long as face is not covered.

And to cut down the freedoms of everyone for an incredibly small percentage of bad scenarios. I mean, is there anything to indicate that what you say might happen is actually happen at the moment where they are still legal in most western countries? Or are you just saying it could, possibly be used though it isn't?

Also, I would like to add, I am incredibly irriated by your debating style or lack thereof.

Originally posted by Bardock42
So, you are opposed to every sort of mask, tuque's that cover your face...raincoats....etc.?

And to cut down the freedoms of everyone for an incredibly small percentage of bad scenarios. I mean, is there anything to indicate that what you say might happen is actually happen at the moment where they are still legal in most western countries? Or are you just saying it could, possibly be used though it isn't?

Also, I would like to add, I am incredibly irriated by your debating style or lack thereof.

Why?

The reason I support the banning of burkha is the same reason France and other countries support it.
For the same reason they banned it/are banning it.

Whats there left to debate?

You probably did not know what burkha was, before I posted a picture, and were most probably confusing it with headscarf, hence you didn't know that it was banned in numerous European countries.

You are beating on a dead horse. Move on. Burkha is banned for a reasons of security in numerous countries.

You don't agree, I don't really care. Its a dead, overdone argument which has passed on TV too many times, and all your questions and ''arguments'' are old and overstated.

The fact stands that numerous governments and law makers agree with the fact is unnaceeptable.

Read why the France banned Burkha - then take it as my argument to shorten time.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Why?

The reason I support the banning of burkha is the same reason France and other countries support it.
For the same reason they banned it/are banning it.

Whats there left to debate?

You probably did not know what burkha was, before I posted a picture, and were most probably confusing it with headscarf, hence you didn't know that it was banned in numerous European countries.

You are beating on a dead horse. Move on. Burkha is banned for a reasons of security in numerous countries.

You don't agree, I don't really care. Its a dead, overdone argument which has passed on TV too many times, and all your questions and ''arguments'' are old and overstated.

The fact stands that numerous governments and law makers agree with the fact is unnaceeptable.

Read why the France banned Burkha - then take it as my argument to shorten time.

Sounds reasonable. 😐

Whichever argument he wants he can take. I concur with all of them.

Although Netherlands have a better one than crazy French people. Kidding, I love French.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Why?

The reason I support the banning of burkha is the same reason France and other countries support it.
For the same reason they banned it/are banning it.

Whats there left to debate?

You probably did not know what burkha was, before I posted a picture, and were most probably confusing it with headscarf, hence you didn't know that it was banned in numerous European countries.

You are beating on a dead horse. Move on. Burkha is banned for a reasons of security in numerous countries.

You don't agree, I don't really care. Its a dead, overdone argument which has passed on TV too many times, and all your questions and ''arguments'' are old and overstated.

The fact stands that numerous governments and law makers agree with the fact is unnaceeptable.

Read why the France banned Burkha - then take it as my argument to shorten time.

Woman, you can't even produce a correct sentence, you should probably consider not to comment on other people's mental abilities.

And Burkhas are NOT banned in even more countries, what's your point?

And do you even know how a debate works? You can't just throw out random nonsense, and then not address the points. Do you think just because a government agreed with your ignorant opinion it makes it suddenly a good argument? You are an odd person. If you don't want to debate, then don't, but do not just ignore all points and repeat the same nonsense, it is tedious and helps nobody.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Sounds reasonable. 😐

She's perfectly at liberty to say that her views are the same as France's ar the Netherlands', Bardock. She doesn't have to re-state them and they are available to research.

Meanwhile, your allegories are poor. It's unreasonable to dislike a person because he is homosexual. it is NOT unreasonable to be unsettled by someone with their face covered at interview. That's simply very basic. It's the same reason people wearing armed-robber style face masks would hardly make a good impression at interview.

Religious freedom does not overrule all other considerations, including common sense.

Originally posted by Bardock42

C'mon now. Arent you being a bit of an arse. I didnt agree with the Vitamin D example. Im agreeing with banning it for national security reasons....damn.

I think its ***hole mode again.

Originally posted by Alfheim
C'mon now. Arent you being a bit of an arse. I didnt agree with the Vitamin D example. Im agreeing with banning it for national security reasons....damn.

I think its ***hole mode again.

I mean...how many people got killed in the European Union in the last 30 years by someone a) wearing a Burkha and b) that didn't get caught because of wearing it?

It's more of scare mongering, isn't it? Yes it is. By muslim haters like lil b, who, certainly has good reasons to dislike Islam, but goes too far often.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
She's perfectly at liberty to say that her views are the same as France's ar the Netherlands', Bardock. She doesn't have to re-state them and they are available to research.

Meanwhile, your allegories are poor. It's unreasonable to dislike a person because he is homosexual. it is NOT unreasonable to be unsettled by someone with their face covered at interview. That's simply very basic. It's the same reason people wearing armed-robber style face masks would hardly make a good impression at interview.

Religious freedom does not overrule all other considerations, including common sense.

So, may I ask you whether you agree that people in your country should not be allowed to wear Burkhas.

I might add that I did not say that she's not at liberty to do so, but that it irritates me. Because she brings up something and the ignores following conversation...just, as I said, odd to me, perfectly her right of course.
I hope that clarifies that.

And yes, the analogy is not that great. Though, it is hardly my core argument.

What bothers is the fact is that the French can do these kind of bans on muslims and is seen as okay.

But heaven forbid if America does it. "OH NOES!!!! THOSE PARANOID BUSH LOVING BIBLE READERS!!!!!"

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
What bothers is the fact is that the French can do these kind of bans on muslims and is seen as okay.

But heaven forbid if America does it. "OH NOES!!!! THOSE PARANOID BUSH LOVING BIBLE READERS!!!!!"

Wouldn't it be against the constitution, too?

Burkha or Niqab is banned in some institutions here in UAE ..maybe in some arab countries too , and Its not Islamic order ..

Back to topic ..mods 😉

Originally posted by Fatima
Interesting ..I was reading about woman's status as seen in Christianity and Islam ..especially talking about covering her hair in Christianity..

I never saw Christian women wearing veil ?? 😕 ..only nuns

"Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head...If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head"

1 Corrinthians 11:3-6

"I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God"

1 Timothy 2:9-10

😬 You know what I'm thinking about !

This argument works against Chrisians, but to us Atheists, we don't see how this makes Islam better.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Or...I just don't agree with the argument.

Ok talking about constructing a sentence was a bit wankerish, but in hindsight I can see why you got annoyed. I think she could have explained her last post more politely.

Originally posted by Bardock42

I mean...how many people got killed in the European Union in the last 30 years by someone a) wearing a Burkha and b) that didn't get caught because of wearing it?

Its not that simple. It because its a symbol of oppression and fundamentalism. Leoheart kinda explained the point better.

Originally posted by Bardock42

It's more of scare mongering, isn't it? Yes it is. By muslim haters like lil b, who, certainly has good reasons to dislike Islam, but goes too far often.

Well this is the thing like she said find out the reasons why France and over countries are banning it. I also from personal experience dont think its scaremongering.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I support it for security reasons -

Well, at least the Vitamin D debacle is done.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok talking about constructing a sentence was a bit wankerish, but in hindsight I can see why you got annoyed. I think she could have explained her last post more politely.

Implying that I did not understand the most fundamental part of the argument wasn't though?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Its not that simple. It because its a symbol of oppression and fundamentalism. Leoheart kinda explained the point better.

But oppression and fundamentalism is wrong. Oppression as in "you are not allowed to wear your Burkha" for example.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well this is the thing like she said find out the reasons why France and over countries are banning it. I also from personal experience dont think its scaremongering.

Why the **** is it my duty to research her argument. It's not like there's a site that says "Following are the reasons why France banned it".

And what would that personal experience be? Robbed by a woman in a Burkha?

Women shouldn’t dress modest, that isn’t what makes a woman moral. As long as that wench fetches me a turkey pot pie when I want it, she can dress how ever she wants. Hooray for feminism.

ps: for all the serious prudes: im joking by the the way.