Bible:Women Should Dress Modesty !!

Originally posted by Ushgarak
She's perfectly at liberty to say that her views are the same as France's ar the Netherlands', Bardock. She doesn't have to re-state them and they are available to research.

Meanwhile, your allegories are poor. It's unreasonable to dislike a person because he is homosexual. it is NOT unreasonable to be unsettled by someone with their face covered at interview. That's simply very basic. It's the same reason people wearing armed-robber style face masks would hardly make a good impression at interview.

Religious freedom does not overrule all other considerations, including common sense.

Anyone notice how everyone suddenly vanished? Probably cause they had such an incredibly good argument they didn't even find the need to show it. Sounds reasonable.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Anyone notice how everyone suddenly vanished? Probably cause they had such an incredibly good argument they didn't even find the need to show it. Sounds reasonable.

E-er no I didnt even know you had responded to my post I just checked. Dont get it twisted.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Implying that I did not understand the most fundamental part of the argument wasn't though?

Er yeah I did say I could understand why you got pissed off. But I think its previous times as well when you have been a bit wankerish to. Anyway moving on.

Originally posted by Bardock42

But oppression and fundamentalism is wrong. Oppression as in "you are not allowed to wear your Burkha" for example.

Yeah so in an ideal world where there is no Islamic fundemantalism there would be no problem. Get it?

Originally posted by Bardock42

Why the **** is it my duty to research her argument. It's not like there's a site that says "Following are the reasons why France banned it".

C'mon now, yeah there probably is.

Originally posted by Bardock42

And what would that personal experience be? Robbed by a woman in a Burkha?

Er no its because its a symbol of oppression. Women Islam are forced to do things they dont want to do and from personal experience there is alot of stuff in the Islamic religion that muslim women dont like.

As I said before I think its reasonable that it should not be allowed in business meeting. I dont have a problem with burkhas as such its only the association.

Originally posted by Alfheim
E-er no I didnt even know you had responded to my post I just checked. Dont get it twisted.

Er yeah I did say I could understand why you got pissed off. But I think its previous times as well when you have been a bit wankerish to. Anyway moving on.

Yeah so in an ideal world where there is no Islamic fundemantalism there would be no problem. Get it?

C'mon now, yeah there probably is.

Er no its because its a symbol of oppression. Women Islam are forced to do things they dont want to do and from personal experience there is alot of stuff in the Islamic religion that muslim women dont like.

As I said before I think its reasonable that it should not be allowed in business meeting. I dont have a problem with burkhas as such its only the association.

Calling me wankerish ont he other hand is the epitome of friendlyness? Not the least bit rude?

Yes, what I think is the problem is that you don't get it. You are against opression but think it would be best to support oppression in order to be against it. I doubt there is a direct link between terrorism and.....a woman wearing a burkha. So, you ban something in an apparently free country for no good reason.

But she ****ing started the argument, she should provide reasons. (Ush, I said "should", not "has to", kay?) It#s all very Starhawk if I may draw this comparison.

And they shouldn't be, but we, as free countries, should not ban it for everyone. What next? No Band T-Shirts? And I am sure there is, I wouldn't doubt that, but there are probably also women who want to wear one, why, by what right, do we not allow them to do it? WHAT RIGHT?

Business meetings are private, the government has about "**** NOTHING" to say what someone wears in a business meeting.

Well, I associate wearing a cross around your neck with the killing of millions of people over the year...wouldn't say they should be banned, what's your take? What about children that are forced to wear such a cross?

Originally posted by Bardock42
No you, Alfy...not you.

Ok its just when you said "Sounds reasonable to me", I thought you were refering to me amongst others because I used the same phrase.

Originally posted by Bardock42

Calling me wankerish ont he other hand is the epitome of friendlyness? Not the least bit rude?

Well thats why I put ish on the end. I thought it sounded more friendly but it doesnt.

Originally posted by Bardock42

Yes, what I think is the problem is that you don't get it. You are against opression but think it would be best to support oppression in order to be against it. I doubt there is a direct link between terrorism and.....a woman wearing a burkha. So, you ban something in an apparently free country for no good reason.

Ugh..I think I do get it, I just disagree.

Originally posted by Bardock42

But she ****ing started the argument, she should provide reasons. (Ush, I said "should", not "has to", kay?) It#s all very Starhawk if I may draw this comparison.

Anyway you know what I think you are right to be pissed anyway.

Originally posted by Bardock42

And they shouldn't be, but we, as free countries, should not ban it for everyone. What next? No Band T-Shirts? And I am sure there is, I wouldn't doubt that, but there are probably also women who want to wear one, why, by what right, do we not allow them to do it? WHAT RIGHT?

Business meetings are private, the government has about "**** NOTHING" to say what someone wears in a business meeting.

Well, I associate wearing a cross around your neck with the killing of millions of people over the year...wouldn't say they should be banned, what's your take?

Ok let me try and summarise what I think happened in France. From what I understand the French were actually bending over backwards to accomdate muslims. In society you have different people with different beliefs were not going to agree on everything so there is going to have to be some comprimise.

The reason why they banned it from what I understood was that the French were bending over backwards, but there were muslims who were not being considerate of other people. So the French thought **** it, your not having anything. In all fairness when I was muslim you didnt have the facilities in England that they had in France. I dont think the French are anti-muslim hell there are members of the PLO that live in Paris that would never happen in England.

I think due to the behaviour of some muslims people are scared of giving muslims too much freedom because they will state imposing themselves on everybody. I think this is what happened in France and I think muslims sometimes can have a tendency to do this.

Originally posted by Bardock42

What about children that are forced to wear such a cross?

Obvously its wrong.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok its just when you said "Sounds reasonable to me", I thought you were refering to me amongst others because I used the same phrase.

Well, i didn't think of you.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well thats why I put ish on the end. I thought it sounded more friendly but it doesnt.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ugh..I think I do get it, I just disagree.

Okay. Why?

[QUOTE=8942076]Originally posted by Alfheim
[B]Anyway you know what I think you are right to be pissed anyway.

Okay

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok let me try and summarise what I think happened in France. From what I understand the French were actually bending over backwards to accomdate muslims. In society you have different people with different beliefs were not going to agree on everything so there is going to have to be some comprimise.

The reason why they banned it from what I understood was that the French were bending over backwards, but there were muslims who were not being considerate of other people. So the French thought **** it, your not having anything. In all fairness when I was muslim you didnt have the facilities in England that they had in France. I dont think the French are anti-muslim hell there are members of the PLO that live in Paris that would never happen in England.

I think due to the behaviour of some muslims people are scared of giving muslims too much freedom because they will state imposing themselves on everybody. I think this is what happened in France and I think muslims sometimes can have a tendency to do this.

Well, but doesn't that seem ridiculous? They start by bending over and then get annoyed and take more away? Wouldn't the middle way be the smartest? You don't have to get ****ed in the ass by any group of people, but you shouldn't take their freedoms (and your own, even if they aren't as important to you) away.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Obvously its wrong.

Again, before Ush or lil b step in again, they should read what I really am saying. Not that they should be allowed to wear whatever they want in official buildings where security is important. Not in Banks (that are privately owned and that don't want their customers faces to be covered when they enter), but in their homes, on the streets and in private places where it is accepted.

Originally posted by Alliance
Well, at least the Vitamin D debacle is done.

It was never a debate on public level, in the first place. I found the article about Vitamin D by accident...then one ref lead to another.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Anyone notice how everyone suddenly vanished? Probably cause they had such an incredibly good argument they didn't even find the need to show it. Sounds reasonable.

Ahaha. Your argument is unfounded, ridiculous and repetitive. You didnt even know what burkha was, AND you didn't know which countries banned it.

Whats there to discuss with you?

I have essays to write, and go to work, I don't sit at my house, shitting my pants about what someone said on the internet, particulary if they were right.
If you were truly right, you woulnd't be in this thread still trying to convince everyone else.
Thats why you're still hovering around this thread.

I know I am right. I don't need your approval. I have evidence.

Your happiness equals winning the argument on the internet. Cringing.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Ahaha. Your argument is unfounded, ridiculous and repetitive. You didnt even know what burkha was, AND you didn't know which countries banned it.

Whats there to discuss with you?

I have essays to write, and go to work, I don't sit at my house, shitting my pants about what someone said on the internet, particulary if they were right.
If you were truly right, you woulnd't be in this thread still trying to convince everyone else.
Thats why you're still hovering around this thread.

I know I am right. I don't need your approval. I have evidence.

Your happiness equals winning the argument on the internet. Cringing.

Are you an idiot or something? Why do you repeatedly state I don't know what a burkha is. And what has it got to do with ANYTHING who banned it. Stop being so incredibly childish it embarrasses both of us (only you)

About your PS, stop being a coward. If you don't want to address anything then don't. What's the point of writing paragraphs about saying how you don't have time to reply?

How are you right. Show it to me. Prove it. Don't be a lil Starhawk here.

And what kind of argument is that, I am arguing because there are people who have a stupid opinion and I try to convince them of what I think is correct. Why would I not do that if I was right. Did you just say that the whole Religion, Philosophy and GD forums are useless, since who is right would not agree?

And stop attacking me personally instead of addressing what I said.
So anyways shut up or reply like a good Mod ON TOPIC!

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, i didn't think of you.

Ok

Originally posted by Bardock42

I don't mind, just saying it contradictory.

You're getting a meh for that...meh

Originally posted by Bardock42

Well, but doesn't that seem ridiculous? They start by bending over and then get annoyed and take more away? Wouldn't the middle way be the smartest? You don't have to get ****ed in the ass by any group of people, but you shouldn't take their freedoms (and your own, even if they aren't as important to you) away.

Not really no. Its known as taking the piss and when people take the piss they lose there privileges. Its like if im trying to be nice to you, you dont appreciate and try to take more from me instead of giving something back, im going to tell you to go to hell.

Like I said before if the French are so prejuidice, they would not have members of the PLO in France. Not saying wether I agree or disagree with that, im just pointing out they must be pretty liberal.

Originally posted by Bardock42

Would you outlaw wearing crosses around your neck because of it?

You know what maybe.

Originally posted by Bardock42

Again, before Ush or lil b step in again, they should read what I really am saying. Not that they should be allowed to wear whatever they want in official buildings where security is important. Not in Banks (that are privately owned and that don't want their customers faces to be covered when they enter), but in their homes, on the streets and in private places where it is accepted.

Well I would not ban it in their homes and their areas where it is accepted but I might ban it in public places.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Not really no. Its known as taking the piss and when people take the piss they lose there privileges. Its like if im trying to be nice to you, you dont appreciate and try to take more from me instead of giving something back, im going to tell you to go to hell.

Like I said before if the French are so prejuidice, they would not have members of the PLO in France. Not saying wether I agree or disagree with that, im just pointing out they must be pretty liberal.

You know what maybe.

Well I would not ban it in their homes and their areas where it is accepted but I might ban it in public places.

Yeah, but the government shouldn't suck up to them, they shouldn't persecute either though. It mean, what if you would want to wear a burkha? If there had been no muslims in your country why should it be banned? You lose freedoms for no apparent reason.

And why should it be banned in public (liek walking on the street)?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, but the government shouldn't suck up to them,

I dont think they were. I think the French are quite tolerant people. Hell look at the Frech footbal team their almost all black and arab, not like the english footbal team

Originally posted by Bardock42

they shouldn't persecute either though.

What so if you atke the piss yopu should not eb punished?

Originally posted by Bardock42

It mean, what if you would want to wear a burkha? If there had been no muslims in your country why should it be banned? You lose freedoms for no apparent reason.

Er come again.

Originally posted by Bardock42

And why should it be banned in public (liek walking on the street)?

Ok I said yes at first but now im saying no...not a happy no.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont think they were. I think the French are quite tolerant people. Hell look at the Frech footbal team their almost all black and arab, not like the english footbal team

What so if you atke the piss yopu should not eb punished?

Er come again.

Ok I said yes at first but now im saying no...not a happy no.

Don't see what that has got to do with it.

That is incredibly unfair though. It's not like all muslims behave badly. Why do you punish them?

No matter.

Well..then...don't we agree on the whole?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Don't see what that has got to do with it.

My point is if a patient person gets annoyed then you must have done something pretty bad. I dont think the French are normally intolerant, the thing about them is if you piss them off they react.

Originally posted by Bardock42

That is incredibly unfair though. It's not like all muslims behave badly. Why do you punish them?

Well theres still a significant majority. Something had to be done.

Originally posted by Bardock42

Well..then...don't we agree on the whole?

Yeah again 🙄

Originally posted by Alfheim
My point is if a patient person gets annoyed then you must have done something pretty bad. I dont think the French are normally intolerant, the thing about them is if you piss them off they react.

Well theres still a significant majority. Something had to be done.

Yeah again 🙄

Why are we discussing france? It's about whether it was reasonable that they did it I thought. Not if they had reasons, of course they had some reasons. But are those justified?

A significant majority of muslims that are trouble makers? Okay...not in Germany...you are sure of that?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Why are we discussing france?

C'mon now..its just an example of why somebody might ban the burkha. Thats what you do in debates you give examples.

Originally posted by Bardock42

It's about whether it was reasonable that they did it I thought. Not if they had reasons, of course they had some reasons. But are those justified?

I dont blame them. How would you feel if you tried to help somebody but they just slapped you in your face. Would you want to help that person?

Originally posted by Bardock42

A significant majority of muslims that are trouble makers? Okay...not in Germany...you are sure of that?

I dont know I dont live in Germany. I was a mulsim for 6 years in England and yeah there is a problem with fundamentalism and no I dont think they are all terrorists. Ive lived with lots of different muslims and I have alot of insight into how they think.

I dont want to say what I really think but being a muslim is alot more enlightining than knowing muslims or even living in a country where they exist.

Lets put it this way after being a muslim im less open minded than I was before I became one.

Originally posted by Alfheim
C'mon now..its just an example of why somebody might ban the burkha. Thats what you do in debates you give examples.

I dont blame them. How would you feel if you tried to help somebody but they just slapped you in your face. Would you want to help that person?

I dont know I dont live in Germany. I was a mulsim for 6 years in England and yeah there is a problem with fundamentalism and no I dont think they are all terrorists. Ive lived with lots of different muslims and I have alot of insight into how they think.

I dont want to say what I really think but being a muslim is alot more enlightining than knowing muslims or even living in a country where they exist.

Lets put it this way after being a muslim im less open minded than I was before I became one.

Yes, it is a reason. I just don't think it is a good one, do you think it is?

Dunno, I probably wouldn't punish them at least. And certainly not by taking something that I am dear off away.

I don't really care about muslims. I have no muslim friends, I could be the most bigoted ****....but, I believe in freedom. And there is no reason to take this particular one away.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, it is a reason. I just don't think it is a good one, do you think it is?

Yeah I think it was. You might disagree with what they did but they have to do something. Furthermore one of the reasons why I say it is because I know how some muslims can be.

Originally posted by Bardock42

Dunno, I probably wouldn't punish them at least. And certainly not by taking something that I am dear off away.

Well, ok but you would have to do something?

Originally posted by Bardock42

I don't really care about muslims. I have no muslim friends, I could be the most bigoted ****....but, I believe in freedom.

Yeah you asked me wether im sure, I am simply giving you my creditianls. That was my point.

Originally posted by Bardock42

And there is no reason to take this particular one away.

Yes but what do you do when somebody takes the piss? Isnt there a tendency for people who take the piss to take things further. Maybe you would not have done what the French would have done but I think they were in the right mind to do what they did.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah I think it was. You might disagree with what they did but they have to do something. Furthermore one of the reasons why I say it is because I know how some muslims can be.

Well, ok but you would have to do something?

Yeah you asked me wether im sure, I am simply giving you my creditianls. That was my point.

Yes but what do you do when somebody takes the piss? Isnt there a tendency for people who take the piss to take things further. Maybe you would not have done what the French would have done but I think they were in the right mind to do what they did.

How can they take the piss. Explain that to me please.

Originally posted by Bardock42
How can they take the piss. Explain that to me please.

When muslims want non-mulsims to act like muslims. To be fair I dont know the exact details of what happened but from my personal experiences have made me biased.

As I said before becoming a muslim has made me less open minded.