Nihilus, Revan, Kun and Vader vs. NJO Luke

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Oh lovely, the Lumiya logic. Read Exile, because it destroys your argument. Kun giving Luke a hard time? He might give him SOME difficulty with a saber, but that's about it.

I have read Exile. So what. All it says is that he could have beaten her if he had gone full out. Regardless, he would in no circumstance allow himself to come close to the point of death. It happened, he couldn't stop it. He's not nearly as strong as you seem to think.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
His lightning isn't regular lightning, in fact we don't know all of its components.

Wow, great response. Not. His lightning appears to be no different than electric judgement. Regular lighting that can be blocked by a lightsaber. Big deal. He gets raped.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I have read Exile. So what. All it says is that he could have beaten her if he had gone full out. Regardless, he would in no circumstance allow himself to come close to the point of death. It happened, he couldn't stop it. He's not nearly as strong as you seem to think.

Wow, great response. Not. His lightning appears to be no different than electric judgement. Regular lighting that can be blocked by a lightsaber. Big deal. He gets raped. [/B]

Yea, no different, except that it's an instakill. Right Glentract, no different.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
"You could have killed me if you wanted to". Obviously you DIDNT read exile, because you would know that he didn't WANT to kill her and he still had feelings for her.

I did read Exile and I apparently understood it much better than you. You don't seem to have read my last post either. I specifically said that Luke could have killed her, but didn't. I also said that he wouldn't have let himself be injured by her under any circumstance. She did. Bottom line, she could injure him and he couldn't do anything to prevent it. Got it this time?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Yea, no different, except that it's an instakill. Right Glentract, no different.

Prove it's an instakill.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I did read Exile and I apparently understood it much better than you. You don't seem to have read my last post either. I specifically said that Luke could have killed her, but didn't. I also said that he wouldn't have let himself be injured by her under any circumstance. She did. Bottom line, she could injure him and he couldn't do anything to prevent it. Got it this time?

Prove it's an instakill. [/B]

Lets see. He fires it at a slayer, the slayer instantly dies, therefore instakill. You've been on these forums long enough to know it was an instakill, so don't play stupid.

Because the Slayer has absolutely no defense for the attack and is not even in the Force per se. Or so the reasoning can go.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Because the Slayer has absolutely no defense for the attack and is not even in the Force per se. Or so the reasoning can go.

Basically. Let me guess Glentract. "Just because it affected someone oustide of the force doesn't mean it could kill a force user lol".

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Apparently YOU don't understand since him not killing Lumiya somehow downplays Luke's abilities.

You can't deny that she came within inches of killing him even though he was trying his hardest to defend himself.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Lets see. He fires it at a slayer, the slayer instantly dies, therefore instakill. You've been on these forums long enough to know it was an instakill, so don't play stupid.

The Slayer had no defense whatsoever against it. Lightning from any Force User of sufficient strength; Count Dooku, for example, would do exactly the same. It is not an instakill against Force Users of the calliber seen here. If it was Welk, Lomi Plo, and Raynar would have been no problem for him. That wasn't the case. He didn't use it on them probably because they would have just deflected it with their sabers, just as any of these four Force Users will do.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Basically. Let me guess Glentract. "Just because it affected someone oustide of the force doesn't mean it could kill a force user lol".

Lol. Dumbass, I never said that. Pull your head out of your ass.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
You can't deny that she came within inches of killing him even though he was trying his hardest to defend himself.

The Slayer had no defense whatsoever against it. Lightning from any Force User of sufficient strength; Count Dooku, for example, would do exactly the same. It is not an instakill against Force Users of the calliber seen here. If it was Welk, Lomi Plo, and Raynar would have been no problem for him. That wasn't the case. He didn't use it on them probably because they would have just deflected it with their sabers, just as any of these four Force Users will do.

Lol. Dumbass, I never said that. Pull your head out of your ass. [/B]

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Yes, I can, especially since evidence points otherwise.

So Luke intentionally allowed Lumiya to cut off his hand and pierce his lung?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
This is random bullshit you decided to post without any proof. And since evidence>your nonsense, I'll go with the lightning is an instakill for $500.

Great rebuttal. Not. How about you stop being an idiot and at least attempt to forumlate a response to what I have to say. You've have zero uncontested arguments for it being an instakill and plenty that say it's not.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Notice how I said "Let me guess Glentract", as if guessing what you were going to say next. Someone needs to learn how to read.

Great idea, especially since you were quoting someone else's post.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
So Luke intentionally allowed Lumiya to cut off his hand and pierce his lung?

Great rebuttal. Not. How about you stop being an idiot and at least attempt to forumlate a response to what I have to say. You've have zero uncontested arguments for it being an instakill and plenty that say it's not.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Nope, but Luke had no intention of harming Lumiya.

So Luke didn't intentionally let Lumiya harm him?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You're right, I have zero uncontested argument against the instakill, seeing as how it's a definite instakill, there's nothing to contest my "arguments". Way to use words you don't understand. And by "plenty", i'm sure you mean "nothing", since Nothing suggests its anything BUT an Instakill.

Re-read my post. You got it all wrong again, retard. You've have zero uncontested arguments for it being an instakill

There is no evidence, aside from fan (mis)interpretation, that Luke's lightning is special, or that it is "instakill".

It's merely higher-powered lightning -- nothing more, nothing less -- that, in this situation, was enough to take out a particular enemy combatant.

If I was to fire a blaster at you, and it killed you instantly, would you say that it must be as powerful as a turbolaser bolt, because that could kill you instantly too?

On Luke vs. Lumiya: People (including myself, just from hearing about him, at times) tend to ascribe deity-like traits to the powers and abilities of NJO/Post-NJO Luke.

The reason for this is akin to the reason people say things like "nihilus > all" -- they've been seen to do really awesome things, above anyone else, and so they take on these new heights, and so people, not being able to quantify the power gap (if there is one), simply label certain chaps as "uber" and regard their attacks as like magical fireballs, slaughtering everything and everyone without end, except if interfered by by another uber person.

It's obvious that Luke isn't all-powerful, since Lumiya attacked him, while he was unfocused on the problem at hand, and managed to do some degree of damage.

Oh, and saying that "Luke had no intention of harming Lumiya" is irrelevent. Darth Vader in ROTJ didn't want to kill Luke, but that doesn't mean that he would have let himself get kicked around the room because of that -- such an argument makes no sense at all. It's obvious that he wasn't putting all his strength and will into the fight -- that he was unfocused, unsure, etc. -- but he should still have been able to at least hold his own for just a few minutes.

Just as Vader failed in ROTJ to protect himself against his maddened son's wild attack, NJO Luke failed to protect himself from Lumiya's attack. It's obvious that Luke is *not* all-powerful, and this, in fact, shows a good amount of mental weakness on his part, that other Jedi might not possess. Do you think Yoda or Obi-Wan would be confused about killing Lumiya? They'd just run her through, wipe the dust off their robes, and move on. While his compassion may be one of his greatest overall strengths, in this particular fight, it gave support to his enemy.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Re-read my post. You got it all wrong again, retard. You've have zero uncontested arguments for it being an instakill [/B]

Originally posted by Captain Bob
It's merely higher-powered lightning -- nothing more, nothing less -- that, in this situation, was enough to take out a particular enemy combatant.

If I was to fire a blaster at you, and it killed you instantly, would you say that it must be as powerful as a turbolaser bolt, because that could kill you instantly too?

It's obvious that Luke isn't all-powerful, since Lumiya attacked him, while he was unfocused on the problem at hand, and managed to do some degree of damage.

Oh, and saying that "Luke had no intention of harming Lumiya" is irrelevent. Darth Vader in ROTJ didn't want to kill Luke, but that doesn't mean that he would have let himself get kicked around the room because of that -- such an argument makes no sense at all. It's obvious that he wasn't putting all his strength and will into the fight -- that he was unfocused, unsure, etc. -- but he should still have been able to at least hold his own for just a few minutes.

Just as Vader failed in ROTJ to protect himself against his maddened son's wild attack, NJO Luke failed to protect himself from Lumiya's attack. It's obvious that Luke is *not* all-powerful, and this, in fact, shows a good amount of mental weakness on his part, that other Jedi might not possess. Do you think Yoda or Obi-Wan would be confused about killing Lumiya? They'd just run her through, wipe the dust off their robes, and move on. While his compassion may be one of his greatest overall strengths, in this particular fight, it gave support to his enemy. [/B]

Hey Sexy, I stepped on a bug and it instantly died. My step = instakill?

Originally posted by Reality Cell
Hey Sexy, I stepped on a bug and it instantly died. My step = instakill?

Hey Noobaris, a force based instakill is a force based instakill, how the hell are you comparing the two? By your logic I guess Nihilus' force drain isn't an instakill either. Oh wait, it is. Try again troll.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Luke could loop out of the force, becoming invisible to Nihilus, kill Revan with emerald lightning, and block against the amulet and Vader's attacks, then he could send both Vader and Kun flying back a kilometer or five when he takes the offensive, and then he just picks off Nihilus with his lightning.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
1. Do you know what uncontested is?
2. I don't need to make ANY arguments for it being an instakill since all evidence points to it. Luke hit the slayer, the slayer died instantly. It's an instakill.

'Luke hit the slayer, the slayer died instantly. It's an instakill.' = Your argument, Darth Sexy. My bug comparison is valid, so learn at how to argue yourself before you call me a newb, OK? Then we're cool.

Originally posted by Kadesh
So why wont regular lightning kill vongs/.

Because, according to him, it isn't the power of the lightning being tossed -- it's some magical property that Luke's lightning had. Of course, there's no evidence to support anything but that it was just green-colored lightning, but when you're playing fast and loose with details, you can say pretty much anything you want.

Take a look at this particular quote:

Wow, you're comparing blaster fire to force techniques? Wow.

Apparently, either he can't recognize that as an analogy, or he doesn't want to.

And this one:

Yet another terrible argument. Yoda and Obiwan have no feelings towards Lumiya while Luke does, so suddnely Yoda and Obiwan>Luke?

Check the context, and you can see that this refers to *mental weakness* -- *NOT* overall power. Of course, Darth S. doesn't bother to check the context -- he just takes whatever he wants to hear out of it and bashes that.

Ah well.