Petty insults?
Lmao, Glentract, are you implying that you're some sort of forum saint? How hypocritical: the Janus-era - the era that you idolize and defend its so-called 'superiority' - was notorious for making petty insults, and you take offense when I do it? At least I provide an argument when I insult someone.
And in this case, one could interpret my insults to be blunt honesty.
I never once said the old way was devoid of flaws.
Of course not, since in all actuality, that's what it was: flawed.
I never said that they didn't insult people without reason.
Of course not, you're not even that stupid.
You're doing that here, just as they did then.
No, we've already established that 90% of my responses is an actual argument in favor of a debate, the 10% being jabs at you for your apparently boundless incompetence when it comes to certain things. Back in the old days, it was the reverse.
I maintain that they were better debators.
...This is an example of one of those 'certain things' in which you exhibit apparently boundless incompetence. Since they didn't actually debate, I question the methods by which you achieved this conclusion.
My perception is deluded? Not nearly as much as yours. It is not a compliment.
No, no. It is. You said the old ways were better, and that the ones who used them were better debaters. I am apparently engaging in some of the Janus-era typical behavior, so by your logic, I must be a superior logician.
So what if a no-named Jedi nearly matched Lumiya.
...Another example of your apparently boundless incompetence. These 'certain areas' are becoming a common factor.
Lumiya still gave Luke a hard time.
Yes, through previously established advantages and circumstances.
All you've proved is that a no-named Jedi could give Luke a hard time as well.
Lmao. Comparing Luke's achievements and examples of vast power in NJO and the Dark Next sagas to Lumiya and indicating that a 'no-name-Jedi could give Luke a hard time' is an absolutely stupid assertion.
Unless you're going to try to prove that Luke has apparently transgressed in actual power. Which is also stupid, because there is no reason even implied in the narrative of the story. In fact, if we wanted to get absolutely technical, in Suvivor's Quest - a few years before the Yuuzhan Vong invasion - Luke and Mara were hard pressed to destroy a slightly modified droideka. Timothy Zahn elaborated upon this in an interview, saying that "Luke was becoming Superman" and so he intentionally weakened Luke for the course of that particular plot, even though the story itself did not provide an explanation as to this disparity in power. SQ Luke is pathetic compared to DE Luke - despite it being well over a decade in time.
Yet is this to mean that Luke would have trouble with droidekas? No. Because this singular instance does not contradict the several other examples of Luke's awesome power.
Belittling Luke's power based on an isolated instance - fret with exenuating circumstances? Lmao, this sort of thought makes me think that you're trying to start some sort of forum-revolution.
Prove that it would have been ownage under different circumstances.
I don't need to, since it was a singular instance. However, if I did want to, I could point out the examples that Lightsnake has been kind enough to provide of Lumiya getting owned or curbstomped by people proven to be vastly inferior to Luke himself.
Nothing slipped past me.
Nothing sure equates to a whole helluva lot, these days.
I know he didn't want to kill her. Disarming her doesn't mean killing her. He didn't want to kill Raynar but wasn't unable to DEFEND HIMSELF from Raynar. Luke could not defend himself from Lumiya, not wanting to kill her had nothing to do with it.
Once again: disarming Lumiya isn't as effortless as you describe, and it was a singular instance that does not automatically disregard the previous examples. Why didn't Anakin or Obi-Wan disarm the Magnaguards they dueled with in RotS? The disparity in power between them is magnificent, since the Magnaguards themselves have no Force power at all. Why didn't Sidious disarm Mace in RotS? Why didn't Dooku disarm Anakin or Obi-Wan? Why didn't Vader disarm Luke? Why didn't DE Sidious disarm DE Luke? I could hurl out an infinite amount of examples, Glentract, so stop perversing your already twisted form of logic.
If Luke was as powerful as you claim he should have had not problem disarming her without killing her even with the bar patrons in the way. Disarming her as quickly as possible would have been the number one way to save not only his life and hers, but as many of the bar patrons as well. He didn't and the only logical explanation is that he was unable to.
This has been addressed.
Circumstances that should have had zero effect on the fight.
So let me get this straight:
If two people are in combat, and the first person does not want to kill the second person - the second person being a ruthless and manipulative sociopath willing to sacrifice [and manipulating] dozens of innocent people into attacking the first person to win (and actually doing so) - this has absolutely no bearing on his performance in the fight? Oh, not to mention the fact that the love of his life was in harm's way?
Lmao, one much less forgiving or understanding than myself might assume a few things: a.) You're not a fighter. b.) You've never been in a fight. c.) You've not observed fights. d.) You'd be screwed if you were ever in one.
Only in the eyes of a fool.
Trust me, I think we've seen enough from your eyes.
Really, Glentract, this is absolute bullshit. Either raise your game or stick to your calculator.