Nihilus, Revan, Kun and Vader vs. NJO Luke

Originally posted by Reality Cell
'Luke hit the slayer, the slayer died instantly. It's an instakill.' = Your argument, Darth Sexy. My bug comparison is valid, so learn at how to argue yourself before you call me a newb, OK? Then we're cool.

Yet again Noobaris, for someone who's never won a debate and been banned 7 times only to come back because he's an addict, you're one to talk. Here are the rules are the debate. All of the evidence points to it being an instakill, just like Nihilus instantly draining a planet proves his technique was an instakill basically, so the onus is on YOU to prove it was something else. Since you can't because you can't debate, you're on your way to your 8th ban.

Originally posted by Captain Bob
Because, according to him, it isn't the power of the lightning being tossed -- it's some magical property that Luke's lightning had. Of course, there's no evidence to support anything but that it was just green-colored lightning, but when you're playing fast and loose with details, you can say pretty much anything you want.

Take a look at this particular quote:

Apparently, either he can't recognize that as an analogy, or he doesn't want to.

Check the context, and you can see that this refers to *mental weakness* -- *NOT* overall power. Of course, Darth S. doesn't bother to check the context -- he just takes whatever he wants to hear out of it and bashes that.

Ah well. [/B]

Interesting 4 on 1 match up. If Luke separates them and fights each one on one NJO Luke can win.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
1. Do you know what uncontested is?
2. I don't need to make ANY arguments for it being an instakill since all evidence points to it. Luke hit the slayer, the slayer died instantly. It's an instakill.

1. Learn what "zero" means. Then take note of it's placement before "uncontested."

2. This has already been proven to be BS. How about you go check TUF, read page 447 (assuming you have the hardcover book) and see if you can find any evidence for it being an instakill. Or you could save yourself some time and not look cause you won't find anything. It's not an instakill.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Agreeable but that has to be before they start their attacks

Violent K
He IS Capable, but whether he wants to be is questionable. If I fought Nihilius, I wouldn't know crap about him. Although I would expect the unexpected as a Jedi, I'd think him as a powerful Sith thats gonna lash out a Lightning or a Lightsaber furry. Not a force drain that pwned a planet.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
1. Learn what "zero" means. Then take note of it's placement before "uncontested."

2. This has already been proven to be BS. How about you go check TUF, read page 447 (assuming you have the hardcover book) and see if you can find any evidence for it being an instakill. Or you could save yourself some time and not look cause you won't find anything. It's not an instakill. [/B]

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Do you even know what uncontested means?

Yeah, I do. Do you know what zero means?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
If by proven to be BS you mean "all the proof is for the instakill and I don't have an argument which proves otherwise so I'll make up some bullshit", you are correct. Luke shoots lightning, instantly kills the slayer. It's an instakill toughpants, get over it.

Did you take another look at the book? I even gave you a page number. I guess you didn't, cause if you had you'd know you are wrong.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract

Did you take another look at the book? I even gave you a page number. I guess you didn't, cause if you had you'd know you are wrong. [/B]

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I don't have the book next to me, so no. I'll ask lightsnake what it says or you can post it, but it's already been proven that it IS an instakill.

It is not been proven to be an instakill. I would type it up, but I'm feeling lazy so I'll do it tomorrow if no else has by then.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
It is not been proven to be an instakill. I would type it up, but I'm feeling lazy so I'll do it tomorrow if no else has by then.

mmm id say NJO Luke goes dooown hard in this one

Originally posted by Kadesh
Why wouldnt it be an insta kill? Luke IS the most powerful, its only logical to assume his attacks will do devastating damage

Do you realize what you're saying? Techniques are not instakills in the norm. To ask why something wouldn't be out of the norm is ridiculous. Terrible logical fallacy.

if luke had any really powerful force tequniques, wouldn't he use them on Luminya? if he was as strong as all of you say, couldn't he have just pulled her whip out of her hands? if he ould have, we would have. there would have been a lot less casualties that way. Luke isn't as uber as you all say, get over it. the lightning was never shown to work on force sensitives, or even humans. there is no telling what it would have done o a person. if he had it, he could also have used it on Lumiya. on the other hand, we know what Nihilus can do, what Kun an do, what Revan and Vader can do. All in all, i say Luke is 6 feet under before the fight even starts.

Absolute stupidity. Luke was not only getting attacked by Lumiya, but also by the crowd of patrons in the bar - and he didn't want to hurt either of them - not to mention the distraction of Mara's life being in danger.

A no-name Jedi was beating both Lumiya and Aleema in single combat before they barely subdued and killed her in that very same book. Suggesting that the Grandmaster of the Jedi order couldn't do the same to just Lumiya without exenuating and special circumstances is ridiculous. In a straight up fight, he'd assrape her.

then why didn't he just force own the whip out of her hands? no one would have died. Any response to that? and by saying what you just did, you are going back to he Janus-era. because of your prejudices, you overlook facts.

Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
then why didn't he just force own the whip out of her hands? no one would have died. Any response to that? and by saying what you just did, you are going back to he Janus-era. because of your prejudices, you overlook facts.

I find it insulting that you're implying that I debate in a Janus-era fashion. We've already established that we use logic now instead of prejudices and biases.

So, let's base this on facts: in the premise of the very same book, a no-name Jedi took on both Lumiya and Aleema in single combat and nearly beat them both. In fact, Lumiya lost a limb and Aleema was nearly knocked unconscious. Only at the very end did they finally subdue her; in Betrayal, Nelani overpowered Lumiya in a direct Force confrontation. Luke is miles and miles ahead of both, and Lumiya herself admits that Luke didn't want to kill her. To top it off, Jacen in particular was deeply concerned about what would happen if Luke discovered that Lumiya was present, because he knew he'd beat her.

Let's now put it into perspective: A passive Luke battled Lumiya amid a plethora of distractions - in the form of enraged bar patrons whom he didn't want to hurt and his wife being endangered - and he still held his own and eventually overcame her.

Put two and two together, dude. Luke is miles ahead of her.

Originally posted by Gideon
I find it insulting that you're implying that I debate in a Janus-era fashion. We've already established that we use logic now instead of prejudices and biases.

So, let's base this on facts: in the premise of the very same book, a no-name Jedi took on both Lumiya and Aleema in single combat and nearly beat them both. In fact, Lumiya lost a limb and Aleema was nearly knocked unconscious. Only at the very end did they finally subdue her; in Betrayal, Nelani overpowered Lumiya in a direct Force confrontation. Luke is miles and miles ahead of both, and Lumiya herself admits that Luke didn't want to kill her. To top it off, Jacen in particular was deeply concerned about what would happen if Luke discovered that Lumiya was present, because he knew he'd beat her.

Let's now put it into perspective: A passive Luke battled Lumiya amid a plethora of distractions - in the form of enraged bar patrons whom he didn't want to hurt and his wife being endangered - and he still held his own and eventually overcame her.

Put two and two together, dude. Luke is miles ahead of her.

OWNED!

Originally posted by Violent K
OWNED!

EXCEPT NOT! Gideon didn't even answer Avis' questions. Avis is right, Gideon is getting into the old way of doing things. You know why, cause he's in the majority, just as Janus, IKC, and Faunus were. It's a cycle.

I find it insulting that you're implying that I debate in a Janus-era fashion. We've already established that we use logic now instead of prejudices and biases.

I agree with Avis. You're slipping into how we used to do things. If you need to be insulted to get your head out of the clouds, then it's gotta happen.

So, let's base this on facts: in the premise of the very same book, a no-name Jedi took on both Lumiya and Aleema in single combat and nearly beat them both. In fact, Lumiya lost a limb and Aleema was nearly knocked unconscious. Only at the very end did they finally subdue her; in Betrayal, Nelani overpowered Lumiya in a direct Force confrontation. Luke is miles and miles ahead of both, and Lumiya herself admits that Luke didn't want to kill her. To top it off, Jacen in particular was deeply concerned about what would happen if Luke discovered that Lumiya was present, because he knew he'd beat her.

This proves....little. So what if Jacen knew Luke could beat Lumiya. We already know that Luke DID beat Lumiya, it just wasn't total ownage as many think it should have been.

Let's now put it into perspective: A passive Luke battled Lumiya amid a plethora of distractions - in the form of enraged bar patrons whom he didn't want to hurt and his wife being endangered - and he still held his own and eventually overcame her.

Held his own? How about got a punctured lung and lost a hand, as well as nearly his life. If Luke could have he would have simply blasted the hell out of her with Lightning (he didn't, so we know it's not an instakill. If it was Lomi, Welk, and Lumiya would have been no problem.) That would have allowed him to keep causulties to a minimum and let him go help the bar patrons immediatly. He couldn't. He's not strong enough to pwn Lumiya.

instakill

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
instakill

WTF?