Venom vs The Lizard

Well, I have a match that I've been wanting to post for a long long time. Heres the stats

VENOM: Possesses all enhanced powers of Spider-man, possesses speed almost equal to Spider-man. Able to lift a maximum of 11 tons.

The Lizard: Posesses the ability to cling and climb on walls at incredible speeds. Posesses the ability to communicate with all reptiles within a mile radius. The ability to tear flesh and other substances with claws. Able to lift approximately 12 tons.

Wow. I dont think I've ever used that many big words. Oh well. Place your bets! Mine is on the Lizard!

Actually it's more like 10.7 tons. adding Spider-Man's strength to brocks who lifted 700pounds

I said a maximum of 11 tons. And I have a Spider-man encyclopedia with venom in it, it said 11 tons. But I dont know.

Ok golem but who wins?

Originally posted by Tyranno-Chris
Well, I have a match that I've been wanting to post for a long long time. Heres the stats

VENOM: Possesses all enhanced powers of Spider-man, possesses speed almost equal to Spider-man. Able to lift a maximum of 11 tons.

The Lizard: Posesses the ability to cling and climb on walls at incredible speeds. Posesses the ability to communicate with all reptiles within a mile radius. The ability to tear flesh and other substances with claws. Able to lift approximately 12 tons.

Wow. I dont think I've ever used that many big words. Oh well. Place your bets! Mine is on the Lizard!

Venom he should be faster and a bit stronger

Venom 11 tons!

According to handbooks maybe but hes way over that if you go by his strength feats in comics.

And I think Venom would take this, the symbiote is much more versatile.

Venom is around class 30-50 and Spider-Man is around class 10-15 judging by what I have seen from both. I'm talking about Brock Venom of course.

Originally posted by Rewmac
Venom is around class 30-50 and Spider-Man is around class 10-15 judging by what I have seen from both. I'm talking about Brock Venom of course.

Venom is class 100. He smacked around Classic Juggernaut. durfist

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Venom is class 100. He smacked around Classic Juggernaut. durfist

Bah, if we were judging by whom-he-fought thing, Wolverine would've been a match for pissed off Hulk in strength... 😄

On-topic. As been said before Venom is WAY above class 11.
Even Scorpion-Venom was said to be class 40-50 and he's much weaker than Brock.
Venom beats Lizard without much trouble.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Venom is class 100. He smacked around Classic Juggernaut. durfist

Originally posted by Sam Z
Bah, if we were judging by whom-he-fought thing, Wolverine would've been a match for pissed off Hulk in strength... 😄

On-topic. As been said before Venom is WAY above class 11.
Even Scorpion-Venom was said to be class 40-50 and he's much weaker than Brock.
Venom beats Lizard without much trouble.

Originally posted by Rewmac
😆 True. Brock Venom merged with Carnage and the clone symbiote, so he had enough upgrades. Lizard goes down probably very well...

You're right about the upgrades. But unfortunately authors forgot about absorbing Carnage upgrade.
I'm not even 100% sure they remember clone thing. 🙁

But he does seem stronger than he originally was.

Absorbing the Carnage symbiote didn't make him stronger though, all he did was beat up Spider-man and it wasn't like he couldn't do that before. Unless it was actually stated nothing seemed to change...except at one point the Carnage symbiote started fighting back against Brock.

And as for Venom being an 11 toner, that was only on his first appearance and perhaps second but after that the symbiote must have gotten stronger.

And I think Gargan is as strong as Brock ( though you would have thought he would be stronger because he could lift 10-12 tons before the symbiote merged with him) but his problem is he isn't as durable as Brock is, Gargan doesn't seem to be able to take the same punishment for some reason...though he can make a killer tail 🙂

LOL I forgot about that "the other" thing.

The reason why I think that authors forgot about absorbing Carnage upgrade is because in further books Cassidy was bonded with symbiote that clearly was THE Carnage symbiote, as if he never lost it.

Also, when Gargan merged with the Venom symbiote he wasn't wearing the scorpion suit. So he was an average non-superpowered skinny guy.

Originally posted by Sam Z
LOL I forgot about that "the other" thing.

The reason why I think that authors forgot about absorbing Carnage upgrade is because in further books Cassidy was bonded with symbiote that clearly was THE Carnage symbiote, as if he never lost it.

Also, when Gargan merged with the Venom symbiote he wasn't wearing the scorpion suit. So he was an average non-superpowered skinny guy.

Gargan has Super powers without the suit, read his first appearance he clearly states he has super strength before he puts on the suit though he only demonstrates after, that and why would he have needed that radiation treatment if he just needed the suit??

Also was it ever stated reabsorbing the Carnage symbiote boosted Brocks strength?

Originally posted by Sparkz
Absorbing the Carnage symbiote didn't make him stronger though, all he did was beat up Spider-man and it wasn't like he couldn't do that before. Unless it was actually stated nothing seemed to change...except at one point the Carnage symbiote started fighting back against Brock.

And as for Venom being an 11 toner, that was only on his first appearance and perhaps second but after that the symbiote must have gotten stronger.

And I think Gargan is as strong as Brock ( though you would have thought he would be stronger because he could lift 10-12 tons before the symbiote merged with him) but his problem is he isn't as durable as Brock is, Gargan doesn't seem to be able to take the same punishment for some reason...though he can make a killer tail 🙂

Originally posted by Sparkz
Gargan has Super powers without the suit, read his first appearance he clearly states he has super strength before he puts on the suit though he only demonstrates after, that and why would he have needed that radiation treatment if he just needed the suit??

Also was it ever stated reabsorbing the Carnage symbiote boosted Brocks strength?

Originally posted by Estacado
He did say that he feels himself stronger then ever.

Wasn't when he first reabsorbed it was it? If it was I can't remember that part.

It was in the book where he went to the jail to absorb the Kleetus's symbiote.

Originally posted by Rewmac
Gargan has no control over the symbiote, Brock on the otherhand has. That's why he can be stronger. Brock is a perfect host to the symbiote if you read a the Gargan saga the maffia boy wasn't good enough but he could find Gargan who was the best out of shitleaguers. So Brock Venom is much stronger.

I suppose but I wouldn't think you would need to control the symbiote for it to make you stronger, you would think the symbiote would make its host as strong as it possibly can.