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DarkCrawler KABOOOOM!!

Storm...Phoenix Level? NOPE.

Since I have no interest in spamming the Storm Respect Thread anymore, we can continue the discussion here.

So, right now, all that the "Storm is Phoenix" defenders have is a non-canon interview from 1979 discussing comics that were retconned years after that and where Storm was compared to Jean Grey/Phoenix as she was then. This was also just a single writer's opinion.

What the others "Storm is NOT Phoenix level" defenders have, are the thousands of comics where Storm has never been portrayed as even close to Phoenix in canon, and all the other writer's opinions about Phoenix's power. They have about five million times more canon proof.

So, I ask for the defenders to post a canon, in-comic proof that Storm is as powerful as Phoenix. As far as I can recall, only canon proof is accepted in this forum as evidence in debates and when discussing power levels.

Example of this: A writer states that his character is Galactus level in an interview. This character never shows that kind of power in comics.

Conclusion: This character is not that level. There is no evidence of the character ever being that level.

Seems simple to understand? Not for the ones who think that Storm is that level.

Anything that isn't canon isn't proof.

The Claremont interview is

A) VASTLY outdated,

B) The comics that are discussed in it were retconned long time ago.

C) The interview is set in 1979, and Claremont was CLEARLY discussing Phoenix's power level as it was THEN, as he was constantly speaking in PRESENT tense. Dark Phoenix Saga was written months after that. Second to creator thing? Nearly a full year after that. Only at Dark Phoenix level she realized her full power.

When she was at the green suit mode, she had limits, as written by Claremont himself. She exhausted. Her power ran out. Claremont constantly hammered the point that green-suited one was not as powerful as no-holds barred Dark Phoenix, and this was the version he referred in the interview. He wasn’t discussing about future, but PRESENT. That is not speculation of Claremont’s intentions, unlike.

D) It appears in other medium then official comic continuity. It’s not CANON. It’s not VALID PROOF.

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But lets get crazy. Let’s get all out and declare it canon. Storm would still not be equal. Why is this? Well, let’s go to the interview.

Somebody has obviously not been reading the it close enough. This quote caught my eye.

Chris Claremont: “No. In equal terms of raw power, they're approximately equal.”

Sounds cool for Storm fans? Not for long.

”Jean can maintain a higher burst...she can peak higher than Storm”

Which means that her power is at HIGHER level, even at this weak incarnation. As stated by CLAREMONT HIMSELF. No way to dance around it, Jean’s power is higher. It continues though, and we find the explanation why Claremont thinks that they are equal.

“But she can't hold it for long.”

This means that, although her power is at higher level then Storm…she can’t have this higher power for long.

Why is this?

Because GREEN SUITED PHOENIX HAD A LIMIT IN HOW LONG SHE COULD PEAK!

Here are few images, from year 1977-1980. They show Phoenix reaching her limit MULTIPLE times. It HAMMERS the point in that she had limits, and could not use her powers as much as she wanted.
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7271/phoenixlimits001ah2.jpg
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/723/phoenixlimits01dy3.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/8968/phoenixlimits1cn9.jpg
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/909/phoenixlimits002qd9.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1415/phoenixlimits02te4.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/6489/phoenixlimits2al2.jpg
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/4458/phoenixlimits3tj4.jpg
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4929/phoenixlimits4lu4.jpg

There were psychic blocks created by Xavier, and her human spirit that limited her among other things. What is the main point though, was that she had limits.

Guess what? When she was DARK Phoenix, these limits where REMOVED, enabling her to maintain the burst forever. Dark Phoenix is LIMITLESS. She doesn’t have any trouble using her powers to the fullest. And White Room Phoenix? Let’s just say that she has never heard the word “limit”, seeing as she manipulated a UNIVERSE with same ease as normal people breathe.

The GREEN-SUITED Phoenix, the one that Claremont REFERS TO, had a LIMIT, and that is the ONLY REASON Storm can ever be compared to her.

So, in a nutshell, what would the Interview prove even if it was canon? Nothing else then Storm can only equal an Phoenix whose power is vastly limited, and EVEN THEN Phoenix can peak higher.

You can’t dance around it. You can’t change it. Claremont clearly uses the present tense, talks about Jean Grey and Phoenix (without the dark), and CLEARLY mentions that she is limited in her use of power.

So how about you Storm fanboys just suck it up and admit that your last shred of hope has just been burned in the fire of the Phoenix Force and accept that you are WRONG?

Big Sexy Super Fighting Robot

There shouldn't be a discussion. Phoenix can be a Universal threat. Storms basically planetary level.

xmarksthespot CEO, BS Comics

DC... much as I agree... attracting the crazies to the Discussion forum isn't ideal...

DarkCrawler KABOOOOM!!

Meh, it's not really a versus thread either. This seemed like the right place to post it. 😕 Let's hope they stay at the range of the thread, then.

pr1983 Hey Yo!

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
DC... much as I agree... attracting the crazies to the Discussion forum isn't ideal...

gotta agree... the likes of 2damn and Rutog running around here is the last thing we need...

though i do agree 100% DC, i honestly do...

ExodusCloak Senior Member

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Meh, it's not really a versus thread either. This seemed like the right place to post it. 😕 Let's hope they stay at the range of the thread, then.

But does a topic like this really need discussing. I find the ignore button works wonders, if they want to delude themselves so be it. There's nothing more to discuss because going by their logic Jean Grey is literally an atom bomb and Exodus is literally Life and Resurrection. 😬

DarkCrawler KABOOOOM!!

But pressing the ignore button isn't funnnnn!😠

Except in Judge's case...✅

But in stuff like this, I'm not going to give up. I can't. It's Obsessive- compulsive disorder thingy, I guess. Just can't read their retarded claims without at least trying to prove that they are wrong.

ExodusCloak Senior Member

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But pressing the ignore button isn't funnnnn!😠
Except in Judge's case...✅
But in stuff like this, I'm not going to give up. I can't. It's Obsessive- compulsive disorder thingy, I guess. Just can't read their retarded claims without at least trying to prove that they are wrong.

Heh..I guess 😛

It's gotten to the stage where I don't care anymore. Their credibility on these forums is in a complete shambles. Heck even on the forum where Claremont answers questions, their credibility is a shambles. A certain someone actually got banned from there as well. That in itself speaks of the individuals credibility. And best part is it's not only us KMC folk. It's the general consensus who feel this way 🙂 .

I just feel that acknowledging their existence just makes matters worse.

pr1983 Hey Yo!

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
But pressing the ignore button isn't funnnnn!😠
Except in Judge's case...✅
But in stuff like this, I'm not going to give up. I can't. It's Obsessive- compulsive disorder thingy, I guess. Just can't read their retarded claims without at least trying to prove that they are wrong.

I know the feeling, but i just console myself with the fact that they're wrong...

there is that temptation though...

Redatom65 Vagrant

This Thread is basically useless. You went to a whole lot of troub;e just for 2damnloud to come in here and post " 🙄 " If you recall Xmeat and Devilgoblin, despite their inferior grammar, these Stormlings, as some mongooses call them, are no better than them. Xmeat would spaz out on people, 2damnloud goes on a tangent calling everyone racist and sexist. Their both trolls, but this is making you seem kind of like an obsesive ass amigo. All you did was further convince the rest of us, that she ain't nothing compared to the Phoenix. Which we allready knew!

Locked

maybe not, Digi likes you afterall

CasanoVa Senior Member

Ha, Redatom fails.

Good old DC, you can always rely on him to slap some sense into those fanboys. I like your thread over on SHC about Black Panther also DC, you do KMC proud.

😎

Redatom65 Vagrant

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Ha, Redatom fails.
Good old DC, you can always rely on him to slap some sense into those fanboys. I like your thread over on SHC about Black Panther also DC, you do KMC proud.
😎

😐 t('.'t) . V, you honestly don't believe this will talk sense into storm fanboys

Soljer Beware my Power

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Ha, Redatom fails.
Good old DC, you can always rely on him to slap some sense into those fanboys. I like your thread over on SHC about Black Panther also DC, you do KMC proud.
😎

Linky?

His Airness Blackout

Originally posted by Redatom65
This Thread is basically useless. You went to a whole lot of troub;e just for 2damnloud to come in here and post " 🙄 " If you recall Xmeat and Devilgoblin, despite their inferior grammar, these Stormlings, as some mongooses call them, are no better than them. Xmeat would spaz out on people, 2damnloud goes on a tangent calling everyone racist and sexist. Their both trolls, but this is making you seem kind of like an obsesive ass amigo. All you did was further convince the rest of us, that she ain't nothing compared to the Phoenix. Which we allready knew!
Locked
maybe not, Digi likes you afterall

Shuddup. glare

GO DC, GO DC, GO DC!!!!!!!!!

CasanoVa Senior Member

Originally posted by Redatom65
😐 t('.'t) . V, you honestly don't believe this will talk sense into storm fanboys

Never said it would.

Doesn't mean it doesn't have to be said though, those bastich Storm boys piss me off something fine. I'd like to see what they have to say for themselves regarding this thread, whether they can actually back up their claims, time will tell I guess.

Redatom65 Vagrant

did Xmeat or Devilgoblin ever back up his claims. Their just bloody trolls, who'll probably ignore this thread. I mean I apppreciate the trouble DC went to, but it's all in vain.

CasanoVa Senior Member

Originally posted by Soljer
Linky?

Done and Done.

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,127072.0.html

2damnloud Restricted

Re: Storm...Phoenix Level? NOPE.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler

This means that, although her power is at higher level then Storm…she can’t have this higher power for long.
Why is this?
Because [b]GREEN SUITED PHOENIX HAD A LIMIT IN HOW LONG SHE COULD PEAK!
Here are few images, from year 1977-1980. They show Phoenix reaching her limit MULTIPLE times. It HAMMERS the point in that she had limits, and could not use her powers as much as she wanted.
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7271/phoenixlimits001ah2.jpg
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/723/phoenixlimits01dy3.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/8968/phoenixlimits1cn9.jpg
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/909/phoenixlimits002qd9.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1415/phoenixlimits02te4.jpg
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/6489/phoenixlimits2al2.jpg
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/4458/phoenixlimits3tj4.jpg
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4929/phoenixlimits4lu4.jpg
There were psychic blocks created by Xavier, and her human spirit that limited her among other things. What is the main point though, was that she had limits.
Guess what? When she was DARK Phoenix, these limits where REMOVED, enabling her to maintain the burst forever. Dark Phoenix is LIMITLESS. She doesn’t have any trouble using her powers to the fullest. And White Room Phoenix? Let’s just say that she has never heard the word “limit”, seeing as she manipulated a UNIVERSE with same ease as normal people breathe.
Here to show what Phoenix can do and what she is without any limits upon her. Provided by GalacticStorm.
http://img1.putfile.com/main/12/35823165273.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/main/12/35823501044.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/main/12/33713140723.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/main/12/33713140791.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/main/10/29812591238.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/main/10/29812591285.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/main/10/29813174990.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/main/12/35822474849.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/main/12/35822504460.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/main/12/35822550519.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/main/12/35823384043.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/main/10/29812235718.jpg
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http://img1.putfile.com/main/10/29021195529.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/main/12/35715004741.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/main/12/35715004899.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/main/12/35715004850.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/main/12/35715004844.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/main/12/36300223238.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/main/10/29813174888.jpg
http://img1.putfile.com/main/10/29813174923.jpg
The GREEN-SUITED Phoenix, the one that Claremont REFERS TO, had a LIMIT, and that is the ONLY REASON Storm can ever be compared to her.
So, in a nutshell, what would the Interview prove even if it was canon? Nothing else then Storm can only equal an Phoenix whose power is vastly limited, and EVEN THEN Phoenix can peak higher.
You can’t dance around it. You can’t change it. Claremont clearly uses the present tense, talks about Jean Grey and Phoenix (without the dark), and CLEARLY mentions that she is limited in her use of power.
So how about you Storm fanboys just suck it up and admit that your last shred of hope has just been burned in the fire of the Phoenix Force and accept that you are WRONG? [/B]

limitless?

Phoenix second to creator(Every version)

Look, they're equal and have equal potential.

Phoenix was created so Jean could be on par with Storm. There's a reason why Phoenix is all the Psionic energy that ever existed, ever has existed and every will exist. It's Jean's Potential. Storm is a Goddess, a 3-dimensional Goddess all by herself. She has and will ascend.

It isn't my fault writers NEGLECT Storm's continuity set forth by CC who created the Phoenix and has been writing Storm since her beginings in 1975.

He basically fathered BOTH characters.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Listen to the author.
Remember he said "the bird effect" in that interview
"Her Power is a song within her"
Also....beyond HUMAN comprehension
"Her power SINGS within her"
"Evolved beyond ALL COMPREHENSION"

Celestial energy and Sustenance.

They do different things in different ways, yet they are APPROXIMATELY EQUAL.

Just deal with it.shocklaugh

Redatom65 Vagrant

point is, this thread phails, and can't you see that if they didn't listen to you in the respect thread, that they won't listen to you here -_-

Redatom65 Vagrant

Re: Re: Storm...Phoenix Level? NOPE.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
limitless?

Phoenix second to creator(Every version)
Look, they're equal and have equal potential. The only difference is Storm is stronger in that she doesn't need help from a goddamn bird and she can stop herself before she goes all bonkers and destroys everything.
Phoenix was created so Jean could be on par with Storm. There's a reason why Phoenix is all the Psionic energy that ever existed, ever has existed and every will exist. It's Jean's Potential. Storm is a Goddess, a 3-dimensional Goddess all by herself. She has and will ascend.
It isn't my fault writers NEGLECT Storm's continuity set forth by CC who created the Phoenix and has been writing Storm since her beginings in 1975.
He basically fathered BOTH characters.
Celestial energy and Sustenance.
They do different things in different ways, yet they are APPROXIMATELY EQUAL.
Just deal with it.shocklaugh

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