Storm...Phoenix Level? NOPE.

Originally posted by Disappear
i'd say they're approximately equal in the way that zero is approximately one billion on a grand scale. sure the power difference is enormous, but if you look at it from a scale that goes [speck of dirt ---pidgeon --- storm --- ecosystem --- galaxy --- universe --- multiverse --- "infinite power of life itself"] and everything in between... eh. approximately.

Well, in the mind of the creator of both characters, they are equal.

Every writer does have their own vision, yet and still they don't keep up with Storm's continuity as much as they should.

They are both capable of the same things, though they may go about them differently. It's much too abstract for the less sharp people. 😎

Storm is the Avatar/archetype of the Goddess, Jean is the Avartar for the Phoenix.

DarkCrawler would have had something if his premise wasn't hindged on a differentiation between one Phoenix and another--Dark P being limitless which was proven to be incorrect and "Green Suite Phoenix" which was weaker--all wrong.

Dark Phoenix and Green Suit Phoenix are two sides of the same coin--Child of light and Dark. It's the same with Storm and Roguestorm--both capable of wielding limitless power and both capable of becoming the forces they wield incarnate--"I am power".

Too bad writers don't keep up with Storm like that. 🙁

I guess it's because she has to operate in a team paradigm and they write her down even at her PRESENT powerlevel and don't explore her vast power as to not look out of place.

Jean is now god and look at her.......... 🙄

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Every writer does have their own vision, yet and still they don't keep up with Storm's continuity as much as they should.

you're just a reader. you're not a writer or editor. you don't get to decide what they "should" do. your opinion doesn't negate years of continuity.

and how the hell would storm read someone's mind? if she can do what jean can, that is. how would she molecularly dissipate a race of beings, virtually wiping them from the face of creation? she can't. she isn't a parallel to jean. she isn't an archetype, whether or not she was meant to be.

Chris Claremont was neither the creator of Jean Grey nor Storm. 😐

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Chris Claremont was neither the creator of Jean Grey nor Storm. 😐

He created Phoenix you Jack and wrote for Storm from the begining.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
He created Phoenix you Jack and wrote for Storm from the begining.

Who's Jack? 😕

I believe he said wasn't the creator of Jean Grey, which is correct. dur

Originally posted by Disappear
you're just a reader. you're not a writer or editor. you don't get to decide what they "should" do. your opinion doesn't negate years of continuity.

and how the hell would storm read someone's mind? if she can do what jean can, that is. how would she molecularly dissipate a race of beings, virtually wiping them from the face of creation? she can't. she isn't a parallel to jean. she isn't an archetype, whether or not she was meant to be.

" It's much too abstract for the less sharp people."

You're very obtuse.

Also, "continuity", please look it up.

Originally posted by Hercules
Who's Jack? 😕

I believe he said wasn't the creator of Jean Grey, which is correct. dur

Did I ever say he was??

Jack as in Jackass.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Did I ever say he was??

Jack as in Jackass.

I was always under the impression that Stan Lee and Dave Cockrum created Phoenix?

And that Len Wein and Dave Cockrum created Storm?

Ahh ok, you were insulting him.

Originally posted by Hercules
I was always under the impression that Stan Lee and Dave Cockrum created Phoenix?

And that Len Wein and Dave Cockrum created Storm?

Ahh ok, you were insulting him.

I stand corrected.

Claremont came up with DP.

And Claremont had been wrting Storm since forever.

Factually correct statement:

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Chris Claremont was neither the creator of Jean Grey nor Storm. 😐

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Well, in the mind of the creator of both characters, they are equal.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Factually correct statement:
Incorrect statement in multiple ways:
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Not really. I was half right 😎

Well mostly right. 😆

Claremont made that comparison right between Pheonix and Dark Phoenix.

They are both very powerful and keep each other in check.

i think it would take a bleak, vapid and utterly "obtuse" mind to believe itself capable of deciding what is and is not canon; what does or does not belong in comics. but congratulations on mixing up your insults.

continuity being the established history of the text. yes, i know what it means. i also know that a retcon [short for "retroactive continuity"] establishes a new series of events within the history that either elaborate on or replace pre-established events. i also know that nowhere in marvel's continuity [interviews, of course, not being anywhere near continuity] is there even the slightest hint that storm is on phoenix's level.

can you even name the last thing storm did that could possibly keep the phoenix "in check?" because, if such an event exists, i'd love to hear about it.

getting put in your place this many times must be giving you the worst case of fanboy blue balls this side of the great depression.

Originally posted by Disappear
i think it would take a bleak, vapid and utterly "obtuse" mind to believe itself capable of deciding what is and is not canon; what does or does not belong in comics. but congratulations on mixing up your insults.

continuity being the established history of the text. yes, i know what it means. i also know that a retcon [short for "retroactive continuity"] establishes a new series of events within the history that either elaborate on or replace pre-established events. i also know that nowhere in marvel's continuity [interviews, of course, not being anywhere near continuity] is there even the slightest hint that storm is on phoenix's level.

can you even name the last thing storm did that could possibly keep the phoenix "in check?" because, if such an event exists, i'd love to hear about it.

getting put in your place this many times must be giving you the worst case of fanboy blue balls this side of the great depression.

blah, u missed the point again.

Jean and Storm are like sisters thus the relationship correlation with keeping in check with regard to emotions, powers whatever.

Is everything always about ****ing fisticuffs and vulgar dsiplays of power?? Open your MIND, DAMN 😆

Nothing was retconned. Claremont said they were equal, then they're equal, especailly since Jean was given Phoenix to be equal to Storm.

Storm already ascended, she became power incarnate, but through sheer force of will, she let it go. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

THey both have a connection to life and the universe until the world around them is "alive".

Ororo is the archetype for nature, balance etc. She is the goddess archetype.

Look at persona as it relates to power, not just vulgar diplays while being totally ignorant to how the character excercises said power.--nature, life forces of the universe,"living worlds, stars, empty space" etc. etc.

Both wield very primal forces of nature and the universe and connect to it spiritually.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
I said what I had to say. 😆

CC agrees 💃

So now you are dodging direct evidence, pussy?

Chris Claremont has only stated that Storm is equal to Phoenix with limits and even then Jean's power is at higher level.

”Jean can maintain a higher burst...she can peak higher than Storm”

she can peak higher than Storm

she can peak higher

than

Storm

higher than Storm

“But she can't hold it for long.”

Because she has limits. For gods sakes, MAGNETO could siphon the energy within that Phoenix.

True Phoenix Force can hold the peak of it's power as much as it wants because it doesn't have psychic blocks in it's head or Jean Grey fighting against it. Thus, Storm can NEVER equal it.

Claremont and every other writer have showcased this. Claremont agrees with me, not with your retarded statements.

You've been owned in every way possible. I'd like to thank YOU for posting that interview though, it made this total and utter pwnage even more funny. Or was it Rutog who originally? Doesn't matter, because your side supplied the evidence. It is so DELICIOUSLY ironic, that your own non-canon pathetic excuse for proof comes back to bite you in the arse.

(And to Mr.Master, this thread was not really dedicated to discussion about Phoenix's powerlevel. You've obviously looked at it more so I am not debating it with you. This was only put to show that Storm isn't as powerful as the Phoenix Force - and I think you agree with that at the least?)

Originally posted by Redatom65
Nor have I ever tried to make a thread better than this, so what you said has little to any relevance. And it was merely constuctive critism. And if I don't have anything good to say? This whole bloody thread is to bash 2damnloud, so in a way your statement is a double standard. And you're probably going to argue that he made this thread to point out that Storm isn't as powerful as The Phoenix, so outside the initial post, everything is bloody spam. I pointed out that there was no point in making this thread, cause 2damnloud is so disillusioned, and even after the fact, i'm told to shut up. What DC did was completely in vain. Now if your going to put me down, for stating the obvious, even though everyone else clearly didn't see it, then I beleive you should shut up. 😐 And finally, again I applaud DC's efforts, but if it didn't work in any of the v.s threads nor in the respect thread, he didn't need to waste his time

Waste my time?

I'm having a riot in here! 😱

This is the funniest point of debating ever. When the other side has been drained out of all their evidence and points and are still trying to make their last stance, fighting like rabid retard monkeys against an ARMY, slowly realizing that there is nobody who supports their utterly ridicolous stance and they have no other choice then to post the same bullshit that has been shot down eons ago.

It's like watching an boxing match between the World Champion and a guy who has put the gloves on his hands for the first time. You know that the guy is going to lose to the Champion, but you can't turn the channel off because you want to see the complete ownage.

This is one of the main reasons I am debating. Don't steal my fun now. 😄

It's not like I really have anything better to do at this point until finals start and stuff.

Win what?? shocklaugh

What the **** are you winning??

Your premise is ****ed. You're putting words in the man's mouth. He didn't say shit about "with limits". He said approx. EQUAL. That's it, end of.

You tried your damndest to make a differentiation between the two Phoenixes, when CC made that statement in 1979 right in btween "Green Suite"(some shit you made in your false premise) and Dark Phoenix. He had both in mind yet he STILL made the comparison.

DP and Green suite are two sides of the SAME coin.

I already proved the DP had limits as well.

He said they're equal, nothing you can say can change that.

Come back when you have another premise for your argument because this "one is different than the other" is bullshit. Notwithstanding the fact that he made the statement on the verge of the DP saga AFTER the Green suite Phoenix.

All this also notwithstanding that it was second to the creator period, no matter what version.

I love this thread.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Win what?? shocklaugh

What the **** are you winning??

Your premise is ****ed. You're putting words in the man's mouth. He didn't say shit about "with limits". He said approx. EQUAL. That's it, end of.

You tried your damndest to make a differentiation between the two Phoenixes, when CC made that statement in 1979 right in btween "Green Suite"(some shit you made in your false premise) and Dark Phoenix. He had both in mind yet he STILL made the comparison.

DP and Green suite are two sides of the SAME coin.

I already proved the DP had limits as well.

He said they're equal, nothing you can say can change that.

Come back when you have another premise for your argument because this "one is different than the other" is bullshit. Notwithstanding the fact that he made the statement on the verge of the DP saga AFTER the Green suite Phoenix.

All this also notwithstanding that it was second to the creator period, no matter what version.

Originally posted by King Kandy
You seriously think Magneto could beat Dark Phoenix?

Magneto can't beat DP or Storm without some kind of PIS to make him a credible villain.