Count Dooku V.S. Revan

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Thats an interesting view, considering Luke got pissed on by Sidious with the flick of his saber, WITHOUT the aid of Liea and baby Anakin. But I think I smell a new vs topic being made...

Perhaps you ought to read the part where I said: "of course, then we discover that Leia influenced the duel." As for Luke 'getting pissed on' by Sidious, so what? What do you imagine would happen were Revan or Count Dooku to try to take on Palpatine at that point? I'd guarentee you that the same thing would happen.

As for Luke 'getting pissed on' by Sidious, so what? What do you imagine would happen were Revan or Count Dooku to try to take on Palpatine at that point? I'd guarantee you that the same thing would happen.

I don't, I'd see Revan lasting a hell of a lot longer then Luke did, and Really I'd like to see Luke's laundry list of powers by DE that make him on par with people like Revan and Yoda, considering he lacks any real formal training other then a crash course in Jedi 101 by Yoda, and while he has raw power on his side at that time (DE) he hasn't fully realized the limits of his raw power. And when you compare him to Revan who has at least 18 years as a Jedi, 5 years as a full Sith Lord, the entire planet of Malachor at his disposal, also a prodigy, and he happens to have the highest level of Battle Precognition the galaxy had ever seen. I'd say Revan would comfortably beat Luke and Dooku.

Originally posted by Gideon
Yeah, that didn't make any sense, whatsoever.

Damnit, I meant to say I'm not a KotoR fanboy.
The reason why I didn't make a lick of since was because of me rushing to the bathroom

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
I'd say Revan would comfortably beat Luke and Dooku.

If you can prove it, then I'll concede. But since I only see Yoda and Sidious as of RotS [excluding DE Sidious, NJO Luke, ect] comfortably defeating Dooku - and Revan is weaker than both of them - I don't believe it at all.

1.Dooku
2. Im not sure on this at all, i guess Revan
3. I would give the edge to Count Dooku in all out fight, he is just so good all around, one of the best swordsman ever and clearly very powerful with the force.

I give this to revan, i think he is better overall.

By the way, i don't understand this but, it was stated that dooku owns revan with his lightsaber? Because everybody seems to take this as a cannon fact...

...was it ever stated otherwise?

I do not understand that where this theory of "Dooku being better then Revan in Saber Combat" came from?

First of all, we need to check some facts that provide a good account of Revan's melee skills.

Case A) Revan killed two Terentatek beasts with ease in a single combat in the Tomb of Naga Sadow.

Now just imagine the level of skill that would be required to accomplish this feat and also keep the following facts in mind:

- Terentatek beasts are immune to Force attacks.
- These monsters were dubbed as "Jedi killers" for a good reason.

So this feat shows that Revan seems to possess exceptional melee combat skills.

Case B) Revan killed Yusanis in a single combat. Now Yusanis is the greatest Echani warrior ever known and was among the top swordsmen in his time. Defeating Yusanis in melee combat was not a small feat. Echani warriors believed that Revan's precognition capabilities were superior to that of Yusanis and thus that helped him a lot in this clash.

Case C) Revan also killed Malak in a duel and as evident from a Duron's vision, Malak was struck down in a Light Saber clash. And Malak was also among the top swordsmen of his age and was possibly adept in offensive Saber techniques including Juyo.

So all these cases suggest that Revan was adept in melee combat as well. But the problem is that we do not know about the full extent of Revan's melee capabilities.

So I really cannot declare that whether Dooku > Revan in Saber Combat or not. And at-least "Case A" makes Revan's case a bit stronger in this regard.

So all those who are outrightly stating that Dooku > Revan in Saber Combat are actually making a mistake because there is no canonical evidence to back this up.

Dooku: better lightsaber duelist.
Revan: supposed superior force powers.
Dooku: edges the all out war, he's equally as powerful as Revan if maybe slightly weaker, but coupled with his excellent dueling capabilities I see him beating Revan by a hair.

Originally posted by Allankles
Dooku: better lightsaber duelist.
Revan: supposed superior force powers.
Dooku: edges the all out war, he's equally as powerful as Revan if maybe slightly weaker, but coupled with his excellent dueling capabilities I see him beating Revan by a hair.

Dooku has an advantage with a saber, if ANYTHING. In an all out battle, Revan is the superior tactician and the superior force user. Dooku has a small chance but that's it.

Dooku is as much a tactician as Revan is (if not more so), in fact Dooku has been shown to be a very deliberate/methodical tactician. As far as force powers go, they are almost equals, couple this with Dooku's superior swordsmanship and I see Dooku edging the contest.

Dooku is all about precision and planning, to beat him you have to be aggressive and try to overwhelm him, as out thinking him isn't likely to work.

Originally posted by Allankles
Dooku has been shown to be a very deliberate/methodical tactician. As far as force powers go, they are almost equals, couple this with Dooku's superior swordsmanship and I see Dooku edging the contest.

Dooku is all about precision and planning, to beat him you have to be aggressive and try to overwhelm him, as out thinking him isn't likely to work.

And yet again. Revan>Dooku in planning
Revan>Dooku in force abilities. No way in hell Dooku is winning this unless he magically gets close to Revan with his saber.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
No way in hell Dooku is winning this unless he magically gets close to Revan with his saber.

Great argument: Revan is so uber he wouldn't even bother getting into a saber duel. Yet Dooku was considerably powerful enough to survive duels with the likes of Yoda and Mace.

Are you trying to suggest that Revan is so superior to Dooku in the force he wouldn't allow Dooku to engage him in a saber duel?

Let's put things into perspective. Dooku is too powerful to be beaten down by force powers alone. Only a DE Sidious would have the power for that. As happens with two equally powerful combatants, they'd engage in a saber duel and Dooku beats Revan by a hair.

Nothing Revan would do, would give him a brief victory via force powers and vice versa, they'd engage and Dooku comes out on top for me.

Originally posted by Allankles
Great argument: Revan is so uber he wouldn't even bother getting into a saber duel. Yet Dooku was considerably powerful enough to survive duels with the likes of Yoda and Mace.

Are you trying to suggest that Revan is so superior to Dooku in the force he wouldn't allow Dooku to engage him in a saber duel?

Let's put things into perspective. Dooku is too powerful to be beaten down by force powers alone. Only a DE Sidious would have the power for that. As happens with two equally powerful combatants, they'd engage in a saber duel and Dooku beats Revan by a hair.

Nothing Revan would do, would give him a brief victory via force powers and vice versa, they'd engage and Dooku comes out on top for me. [/B]

Allankles, Dooku has not been proven to be anywhere near Revan's level in terms of military tactics. Is he a brilliant, clever man? Certainly. Is he - diplomatically and politically - Revan's obvious superior? Certainly. Is he a warlord? Hell no. Why do you think he relied on General Grievous? Dooku is obviously not a military tactition by any stretch.

That said, LeGenD, you've proven absolutely nothing. Count Dooku was "one of the most powerful Jedi in the Order's twenty five thousand year history", "an even greater Lord of the Sith", and spent eight decades refining Makashi - the ultimate lightsaber-to-lightsaber form. I'd say that's a fair bit more than what Revan accomplished. Hell, Dooku trained General Grievous and defeated him in combat, and he was dubbed a "Jedi killer" in a much more legendary and capable fashion than any Terentatek beast. Hell, Grievous's Magnaguards were "Jedi killers" too. As was Asajj Ventress, all of which would curbstomp two Terentateks.

Case "A" does shit.

Way to prove a god dam thing. You're completely clueless Sexy. Revan wouldn't be able to stop Dooku from enganging him in a saber duel, it just doesn't work like that. When was the last time you saw a Sith of the calibre of Dooku get pwned without a Saber duel?

Not to mention that if at all, Revan is Dooku's superior in the force, it certainly not by much. You're completely ridiculous with your opinions on Revan. The guy isn't beating Dooku on force powers alone, no way.

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Originally posted by Gideon
Allankles, Dooku has not been proven to be anywhere near Revan's level in terms of military tactics. Is he a brilliant, clever man? Certainly. Is he - diplomatically and politically - Revan's obvious superior? Certainly. Is he a warlord? Hell no. Why do you think he relied on General Grievous? Dooku is obviously not a military tactition by any stretch.

That said, LeGenD, you've proven absolutely nothing. Count Dooku was "one of the most powerful Jedi in the Order's twenty five thousand year history", "an even greater Lord of the Sith", and spent eight decades refining Makashi - the ultimate lightsaber-to-lightsaber form. I'd say that's a fair bit more than what Revan accomplished. Hell, Dooku trained General Grievous and defeated him in combat, and he was dubbed a "Jedi killer" in a much more legendary and capable fashion than any Terentatek beast. Hell, Grievous's Magnaguards were "Jedi killers" too. As was Asajj Ventress, all of which would curbstomp two Terentateks.

Case "A" does shit.

Not to sound condescending Escape, but how did he refine Makashi for 8 decades when he died at what, 82? Just pointing out a minor error.

Originally posted by Allankles
Way to prove a god dam thing. You're completely clueless Sexy. Revan wouldn't be able to stop Dooku from enganging him in a saber duel, it just doesn't work like that. When was the last time you saw a Sith of the calibre of Dooku get pwned without a Saber duel?

Not to mention that if at all, Revan is Dooku's superior in the force, it certainly not by much. You're completely ridiculous with your opinions on Revan. The guy isn't beating Dooku on force powers alone, no way. [/B]

Denial is a powerful ally you butt honkey.

Touche. Seven decades.