Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I rest my case dumbass. Go back to the drawing board.Denial is a powerful ally you butt honkey.
Answer the question moron. When did you ever see a force user the calibre of Dooku get pwned without getting a chance to engage with Sabers?
You rest your case? You didn't have one. Asserting that your god Revan beats Dooku with force powers alone, are the ramblings of a irrational fanboy, nothing more. We don't have anything to argue about here.
I'm divided; the assertion that Darth Revan will be able to defeat Count Dooku - in no-bars-held fight - using simply the Force is a stretch. I will add some clarification and say that if it happens, Darth Sexy, it will be far from easy. I don't see Dooku getting defeated by single applications of the Force unless you are simply ahead of him by a good distance - Yoda and Sidious. In a lightsaber fight, I think it would be a good fight, but logic and evidence indicate that Dooku'd definately come out [with] ahead. It all depends; Revan's lack of prior knowledge about Dooku would also limit his arsenal of planning ability against him, unlike Sidious or Yoda who know that Dooku prefers to fight with his lightsaber rather than the Force. The 'planning ability' won't be much of a help.
Actually, i can see this duel being similar to the Yoda and Sidious duel. Im fairly certain Revan wouldnt get cut down the second he engaged Dooku close range. He would most likely fight for a few seconds and then evaluate Dooku's skill and whether he (Revan) can pull off a win or not in a saber duel. IF Revan realizes that he will be unable to achieve victory close ranged, he would most likely disengage and put some distance between himself and dooku. Attacking with all of the force attacks he could effectively use, if his attacks dont outright kill dooku, they will atleast slow him down and wear him out, possibly enough to the point where Revan can safely rengage in a saber duel and pull of a win against a weakened Dooku. And considering Revan isnt an idiot this will probably be his course of action. Of course this only applies to the all-out battle.
Well those are my two cents.
Originally posted by The Overmaster
Actually, i can see this duel being similar to the Yoda and Sidious duel. Im fairly certain Revan wouldnt get cut down the second he engaged Dooku close range. He would most likely fight for a few seconds and then evaluate Dooku's skill and whether he (Revan) can pull off a win or not in a saber duel. IF Revan realizes that he will be unable to achieve victory close ranged, he would most likely disengage and put some distance between himself and dooku. Attacking with all of the force attacks he could effectively use, if his attacks dont outright kill dooku, they will atleast slow him down and wear him out, possibly enough to the point where Revan can safely rengage in a saber duel and pull of a win against a weakened Dooku. And considering Revan isnt an idiot this will probably be his course of action. Of course this only applies to the all-out battle.Well those are my two cents.
It's a fairer assessment than most. But disengaging from a saber duel isn't so cut and dry and might get you killed. If the contest takes place on a flat platform disengaging will be very difficult if not impossible. If Dooku sensed Revan's discomfort in a saber duel he'd press the advantage with all he had.
Originally posted by Gideon
That said, LeGenD, you've proven absolutely nothing. Count Dooku was "one of the most powerful Jedi in the Order's twenty five thousand year history", "an even greater Lord of the Sith", and spent eight decades refining Makashi - the ultimate lightsaber-to-lightsaber form. I'd say that's a fair bit more than what Revan accomplished. Hell, Dooku trained General Grievous and defeated him in combat, and he was dubbed a "Jedi killer" in a much more legendary and capable fashion than any Terentatek beast. Hell, Grievous's Magnaguards were "Jedi killers" too. As was Asajj Ventress, all of which would curbstomp two Terentateks.Case "A" does shit.
You just seem to underestimate Terentateks very much. And you also have actually proved nothing.
And Dooku could be declared as a "Jedi Killer" because he was a powerful Sith Lord. And a Sith Lord being declared as a Jedi killer does not surprises anybody.
Terentateks were actually dubbed as "Jedi Killers" because they were so strong, vicious and dangerous creatures that they were declared to be a big threat to the Jedi by the Jedi Council itself.
Some facts about Terentateks:
- Terentateks were physically very strong creatures and were heavily armored and immune to most Force attacks.
- These beasts also fed on the blood of Force sensitives and many Jedi have been killed by them including the top Jedi hunters of KOTOR period. And very few Jedi have dared to fight these monsters.
Originally posted by Gideon
It all depends; Revan's lack of prior knowledge about Dooku would also limit his arsenal of planning ability against him, unlike Sidious or Yoda who know that Dooku prefers to fight with his lightsaber rather than the Force. The 'planning ability' won't be much of a help.
And what about Revan's precognition capabilities?
Originally posted by Gideon
I'm divided; the assertion that Darth Revan will be able to defeat Count Dooku - in no-bars-held fight - using simply the Force is a stretch. I will add some clarification and say that if it happens, Darth Sexy, it will be far from easy. I don't see Dooku getting defeated by single applications of the Force unless you are simply ahead of him by a good distance - Yoda and Sidious. In a lightsaber fight, I think it would be a good fight, but logic and evidence indicate that Dooku'd definately come out [with] ahead. It all depends; Revan's lack of prior knowledge about Dooku would also limit his arsenal of planning ability against him, unlike Sidious or Yoda who know that Dooku prefers to fight with his lightsaber rather than the Force. The 'planning ability' won't be much of a help.
Sidious knew he couldn't defeat Yoda in saber combat so what did he do? He somehow got distance between himself and Yoda and kept it, and they were EQUALS. You're telling me Revan, who is superior in the force and in battle tactics, couldn't get separate himself from Dooku? And in a saber fight it would be a good fight. You're not the best in an order of tens of thousands and suck at saber combat.
Allankles, as usual you're wasting everybody's time so I'm not gonig to respond to your nonsense. Stop posting here.
Ok, i don't to insist on this again but Canderous was among the mandalorians that saw ullic quel-droma fighting mandalore or even exar kun. Well, i think it's quite common sense that ullic's lightsaber abilities were almost legendary, yet canderous said revan was the greatest "warrior" the galaxy had ever seen.
And since i don't believe dooku was better then ullic with his lightsaber (if he had ever fought anyone without the force he would have being crushed in seconds), i don't hve valid reasons to beleive that dooku>revan with lightsaber.
By the way, i wanted to add this: "Al hail the Mysterious Stranger, the greatest duelist to ever grace the rings of Taris". Ok, this Revan had not the force to help him, just his fighting abilities...
Originally posted by Allankles
Dooku: better lightsaber duelist.
Originally posted by Allankles
Revan: supposed superior force powers.
Originally posted by Allankles
Dooku: edges the all out war, he's equally as powerful as Revan if maybe slightly weaker, but coupled with his excellent dueling capabilities I see him beating Revan by a hair.
Your assumption is not convincing.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Sidious knew he couldn't defeat Yoda in saber combat so what did he do? He somehow got distance between himself and Yoda and kept it, and they were EQUALS. You're telling me Revan, who is superior in the force and in battle tactics, couldn't get separate himself from Dooku? And in a saber fight it would be a good fight. You're not the best in an order of tens of thousands and suck at saber combat.Allankles, as usual you're wasting everybody's time so I'm not gonig to respond to your nonsense. Stop posting here.
Dooku is just as proficient as Revan if not more so in battle tactics (I've never mentioned that Dooku was a great military tactician, just a great planner and a great tactican in one on one dueling). Dooku knows all about tactics in single's combat (he was a battlemaster for years afterall), Revan isn't out thinking him in this situation.
As far as Sidious disengaging from a saber fight, we have to consider that they were fighting on an uneven platform, so disengaging was easier. If they were fighting on a flat platform how would Sidious have disengaged? He'd have to keep fighting with sabers, or don't you understand the difficulty of disengaging?
Dueling doesn't play out like some d&d rule book, disengaging isn't so cut and dry and isn't likely to happen if the fight takes place on even ground.
And Dooku knows Revan very well, right?
I never said that; quit putting words in my mouth, jackass. You and Darth Sexy seem to be banking on Revan's amazing strategic abilities to give him an endless advantage over Dooku. That's not going to be the case, Revan won't be pulling up a 'Defeating Dooku: 101' plan from his ass, two seconds into the fight. He's got no prior knowledge in regards to Count Dooku, so if he comes up with a plan, it'll be after the fighting has already begun. Revan's no Thrawn.
As for Dooku "knowing Revan very well", I could be a smartass and point out that Dooku is a trained Sith Lord, apprentice to the smartest and most knowledgeable of Sith Lords, and then I could also point out that - since Revan is easily one of the most infamous and successful Sith Lords - he'd likely know quite a bit about him.
But I don't have to say that, I rarely deal in 'probabilities', even though the likelihood of Dooku knowing about Revan is quite high.
And what about Revan's precognition capabilities?
That didn't save him from Malak's betrayal. Precognition isn't infallible. I could point out that any decent Jedi or Sith would have decent precognition - and Dooku is "one of the most powerful" in the Order's history, and an even greater Sith Lord - thus indicating the disparity between himself and Revan isn't as large as you'd think.
Sidious knew he couldn't defeat Yoda in saber combat so what did he do?
We've been through this before. Evidence and logic conclude that Sidious opted for a long ranged assault because it was his speciality, and it would put distance between him and Yoda, not that he couldn't necessarily defeat him.
You said it yourself; they're equals. If Yoda's the better duelist, they wouldn't be equals, which defies... everything.
He somehow got distance between himself and Yoda and kept it, and they were EQUALS.
Sidious =/= Revan. Yoda was a revered military commander and Sidious was a politician; who fought smarter? The politician. Revan's uber combat reverance doesn't necessarily mean that he is going to fight smarter than Count Dooku in single combat.
You're telling me Revan, who is superior in the force and in battle tactics, couldn't get separate himself from Dooku?
I'm telling you that he isn't going to be pulling a 'I-know-how-to-beat-Dooku' plan from his ass, and he's not going to be owning or defeating Dooku with just the Force in an all out fight.
And in a saber fight it would be a good fight. You're not the best in an order of tens of thousands and suck at saber combat.
Right.
Dooku was "one of the most powerful Jedi in the Order's twenty five thousand year history" and "an even greater Sith Lord" during a time when his peers were Mace [I-invented-the deadliest lightsaber style ever (That means his style > Revan's)] and Yoda ['the most powerful foe the darkness had ever known].
Spin it all you like. Revan's ahead of Dooku by hairs at most.
Originally posted by Gideon
I never said that; quit putting words in my mouth, jackass. You and Darth Sexy seem to be banking on Revan's amazing strategic abilities to give him an endless advantage over Dooku. That's not going to be the case, Revan won't be pulling up a 'Defeating Dooku: 101' plan from his ass, two seconds into the fight. He's got no prior knowledge in regards to Count Dooku, so if he comes up with a plan, it'll be after the fighting has already begun. Revan's no Thrawn.
What were the reasons for all these victories? Yeah right! Revan is a great strategist and tactician.
Originally posted by Gideon
As for Dooku "knowing Revan very well", I could be a smartass and point out that Dooku is a trained Sith Lord, apprentice to the smartest and most knowledgeable of Sith Lords, and then I could also point out that - since Revan is easily one of the most infamous and successful Sith Lords - he'd likely know quite a bit about him.But I don't have to say that, I rarely deal in 'probabilities', even though the likelihood of Dooku knowing about Revan is quite high.
Sidious did not taught him all the techniques that he knew and last time I checked, Count Dooku was still an apprentice and was learning.
Originally posted by Gideon
That didn't save him from Malak's betrayal. Precognition isn't infallible. I could point out that any decent Jedi or Sith would have decent precognition - and Dooku is "one of the most powerful" in the Order's history, and an even greater Sith Lord - thus indicating the disparity between himself and Revan isn't as large as you'd think.
Oh yes! Revan's precognition (which was believed to be superior to the precogntion of the greatest Echani generals) sucks! 🙄
I can give you two other cases that are similar in nature:
Case of Mace Windu: He was a master of shatterpoint. When he was pre-occupied against Sidious, Anakin came and decided to harm him. Mace Windu failed to sense the betrayal in Anakin and got his hand chopped.
Case of Sidious: When Sidious was pre-occupied against Luke. Vader decided to turn against his master. Now Sidious failed to detect this sudden change in Vader and got killed. So Sidious should suck right?
Man! your biasedness against KOTOR characters is not going to help.
Originally posted by Gideon
We've been through this before. Evidence and logic conclude that Sidious opted for a long ranged assault because it was his speciality, and it would put distance between him and Yoda, not that he couldn't necessarily defeat him.You said it yourself; they're equals. If Yoda's the better duelist, they wouldn't be equals, which defies... everything.
Originally posted by Gideon
Sidious =/= Revan. Yoda was a revered military commander and Sidious was a politician; who fought smarter? The politician. Revan's uber combat reverance doesn't necessarily mean that he is going to fight smarter than Count Dooku in single combat.
Revan is going to fight smarter then Dooku.
Originally posted by Gideon
I'm telling you that he isn't going to be pulling a 'I-know-how-to-beat-Dooku' plan from his ass, and he's not going to be owning or defeating Dooku with just the Force in an all out fight.
Originally posted by Gideon
Dooku was "one of the most powerful Jedi in the Order's twenty five thousand year history" and "an even greater Sith Lord" during a time when his peers were Mace [I-invented-the deadliest lightsaber style ever (That means his style > Revan's)] and Yoda ['the most powerful foe the darkness had ever known].
This "Yoda being the most powerful foe to the darkness" ideology seems to be a myth. Want to see the whole quote from ROTS Novelization? Here it is:
Finally, he saw the truth.
This truth: that he, the avatar of light, Supreme Master of the Jedi Order, the fiercest, most implacable, most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known...just—didn't—have it.
Originally posted by Gideon
Spin it all you like. Revan's ahead of Dooku by hairs at most. [/B]
Want a simple explanation? Here it is?
Drew said that Revan can hang on very well with Darth Bane (Orbalisk) and Anakin Skywalker (ROTS).
And Anakin (ROTS) destroyed Dooku in a single combat because Anakin was more powerful then Count Dooku. (Source: ROTS Movie)
Also Revan has following things:
- Exceptional Precognition.
- Mastery in Jar Kai.
- Exceptional Force Mastery.
- A master strategist and tactician.
- Great physical strength.
Guess what? Dooku is doomed.
Originally posted by Gideon
I never said that; quit putting words in my mouth, jackass. You and Darth Sexy seem to be banking on Revan's amazing strategic abilities to give him an endless advantage over Dooku. That's not going to be the case, Revan won't be pulling up a 'Defeating Dooku: 101' plan from his ass, two seconds into the fight. He's got no prior knowledge in regards to Count Dooku, so if he comes up with a plan, it'll be after the fighting has already begun. Revan's no Thrawn.As for Dooku "knowing Revan very well", I could be a smartass and point out that Dooku is a trained Sith Lord, apprentice to the smartest and most knowledgeable of Sith Lords, and then I could also point out that - since Revan is easily one of the most infamous and successful Sith Lords - he'd likely know quite a bit about him.
But I don't have to say that, I rarely deal in 'probabilities', even though the likelihood of Dooku knowing about Revan is quite high.
That didn't save him from Malak's betrayal. Precognition isn't infallible. I could point out that any decent Jedi or Sith would have decent precognition - and Dooku is "one of the most powerful" in the Order's history, and an even greater Sith Lord - thus indicating the disparity between himself and Revan isn't as large as you'd think.
We've been through this before. Evidence and logic conclude that Sidious opted for a long ranged assault because it was his speciality, and it would put distance between him and Yoda, not that he couldn't necessarily defeat him.
You said it yourself; they're equals. If Yoda's the better duelist, they wouldn't be equals, which defies... everything.
Sidious =/= Revan. Yoda was a revered military commander and Sidious was a politician; who fought smarter? The politician. Revan's uber combat reverance doesn't necessarily mean that he is going to fight smarter than Count Dooku in single combat.
I'm telling you that he isn't going to be pulling a 'I-know-how-to-beat-Dooku' plan from his ass, and he's not going to be owning or defeating Dooku with just the Force in an all out fight.
Right.
Dooku was "one of the most powerful Jedi in the Order's twenty five thousand year history" and "an even greater Sith Lord" during a time when his peers were Mace [I-invented-the deadliest lightsaber style ever (That means his style > Revan's)] and Yoda ['the most powerful foe the darkness had ever known].
Spin it all you like. Revan's ahead of Dooku by hairs at most.
Is it Dookus fighting style with form II that is going to give revan the problems??? I have just seen people posting that he will win in saber combat but they gives no reason why he would win so that why I ask.
And wasn't Dooku "one of the most powerful jedi's to have left the order" not the most powerful overall?
And maybe Revan don't sensing the attack by Malak had something to do with him being engaged by 3 jedies on his bridge.
Is it Dookus fighting style with form II that is going to give revan the problems??? I have just seen people posting that he will win in saber combat but they gives no reason why he would win so that why I ask.
Yes.
And wasn't Dooku "one of the most powerful jedi's to have left the order" not the most powerful overall?
No. The RotS novelization confirms that Dooku was "one of the most powerful Jedi in the Order's twenty five thousand year history" and "an even greater Sith Lord". Meaning he ranks up there with the very best in either category (Sith or Jedi).
And maybe Revan don't sensing the attack by Malak had something to do with him being engaged by 3 jedies on his bridge.
That has nothing to do with it. Precognition can't be preoccupied. The Emperor was torturing the hell out of Luke, and didn't forsee/sense Vader's fall. This was his own doing, in this situation he lacked the power to sense Vader's inner conflict. Revan didn't forsee Malak's betrayal because he couldn't.
You are such an idiot.
Tall claim. You might wanna ask Advent or ACstyles to come in and take over this argument on your behalf, because statements like this require proof.
Did you noticed that whenever Revan has engaged in a duel or in very tough fights in his time, he has always won?
...Right. And this has to do with... what? Revan's fights /= Dooku's fights. They weren't the same, so Revan being 'undefeated' doesn't mean shit when comparing him to Dooku, since their struggles and tribulations were different and against different people.
What were the reasons for all these victories? Yeah right! Revan is a great strategist and tactician.
This is what I'm talking about. If you can't learn to read, we don't need to debate. You have Revan so far up your ass it's effecting your eyesight. I have - in several previous arguments and in this - acknowledged that Revan is a superb tactition. If you'd learn to read, however, I said that he's no Thrawn and that he wouldn't be pulling a plan out of his ass.
If Dooku had access to Revan's holocron, I would believe this but unfortunately Revan's holocron was destroyed by Bane.
Jesus, you're stupid. Okay, did Krayt not know of Palpatine simply because he didn't have Palpatine's holocron? Oh, wait! A lowly lieutenant makes reference to Palpatine in the Legacy comics. One must assume that the successes and failures of previous Sith are something that is taught. Perhaps Sith history?
Sidious did not taught him all the techniques that he knew and last time I checked, Count Dooku was still an apprentice and was learning.
'Sith history' /= technique...
You are more of an idiot then I thought.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait... you actually thought about me being an idiot? Great job! We're making progress. See if you can scramble to find the extra IQ points to think - yes, actually think - about the debate at hand.
Did you notice that Revan was pre-occupied against those 4 Jedi that came to fight him when that unexpected betrayal took place? In other words, Revan's attention was diverted and Malak saw this as an opportunity.
...If Revan's foresight and precognition were so amazing, he'd have knew about Malak's betrayal before it happened. Guess what? He didn't.
Oh yes! Revan's precognition (which was believed to be superior to the precogntion of the greatest Echani generals) sucks! 🙄
You amaze me with your stupidity. If you continue to debate like this, don't bother continuing this argument, and concede. I have not said that Revan's precognition sucks. Just that it isn't infallible.
I can give you two other cases that are similar in nature:Case of Mace Windu: He was a master of shatterpoint. When he was pre-occupied against Sidious, Anakin came and decided to harm him. Mace Windu failed to sense the betrayal in Anakin and got his hand chopped.
Mace was a master of Shatterpoint, yes, not heralded for his foresight. Shatterpoint detects weaknesses, precognition gives you the foresight to see future events. He failed to forsee Anakin's betrayal.
Case of Sidious: When Sidious was pre-occupied against Luke. Vader decided to turn against his master. Now Sidious failed to detect this sudden change in Vader and got killed.
I could make a whole list of reasons that would debunk this little theory, but I don't have to. I never said Sidious was infallible. Of course he's fallible. He's dead, isn't he? He was eventually defeated.
So Sidious should suck right?
I never said that Revan sucked, you dumbass.
Man! your biasedness against KOTOR characters is not going to help.
Stick to your [piss-poor] argument, not [really poor excuses for] witty insults.
I find it hard to believe that Yoda was equal to Sidious.
He was.
Yoda himself acknowledged that Sidious is too powerful for him to handle.
No, Yoda himself acknowledged that Sidious couldn't be beaten in that situation.
Revan was a great tactician man.
I never denied Revan's military genius.
He systematically killed some politicians as well to impose his influence in the senate.
Those politicians /= Sidious or Dooku.
The murder of Yusnais is one such example.
What's this supposed to prove?
Revan is going to fight smarter then Dooku.
You've yet to prove it.
His precognition will help him a lot.
Dooku lacks precognition? I've told you that no one has infallible precognition, so declaring that it will be justification for their victory is ridiculous.
This "Yoda being the most powerful foe to the darkness" ideology seems to be a myth.
No, no. Myths are false. This would be fact.
Want to see the whole quote from ROTS Novelization? Here it is:Finally, he saw the truth.
This truth: that he, the avatar of light, Supreme Master of the Jedi Order, the fiercest, most implacable, most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known...just—didn't—have it.
Lmao! I ought to indulge myself on a string of insults declaring how stupid you are. Yoda is 'the most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known' you jackass. The excerpt you quoted proves it.
The 'just didn't have it part'? That signifies that he couldn't - and he didn't - defeat Sidious that day. Not that he wasn't the most powerful foe of the darkness.
Revan is far stronger then Dooku.
No. Yoda and Sidious are not far stronger than Dooku, you freakin' fanboy, and both of them are more powerful than Revan.
Want a simple explanation? Here it is?Drew said that Revan can hang on very well with Darth Bane (Orbalisk) and Anakin Skywalker (ROTS).
Drew /= Lucas. He can't make such claims.
And Anakin (ROTS) destroyed Dooku in a single combat because Anakin was more powerful then Count Dooku. (Source: ROTS Movie)
Because he was the more powerful duelist, yes.
Also Revan has following things:- Exceptional Precognition.
- Mastery in Jar Kai.
- Exceptional Force Mastery.
- A master strategist and tactician.
- Great physical strength.
Dooku has:
- Supreme mastery of Makashi
- Exceptional Force mastery
- Far more experience than Revan
- Excellent manipulator and political tactition
- Use of the Force where 'physical strength' is irrelevant
Guess what? Dooku is doomed.
You jackass fanboy, Dooku's going to lose the Force and all out fights, and he's going to win the saber fight. And they're all going to be difficult fights.
Indeed. Revan 'is' more powerful than Count Dooku in the Force, and is most assuredly the superior military tactition. But the disparity between Dooku and Revan is not far. LeGenD's assertion that Revan is far more powerful than Dooku speaks volumes about his fanboyism. Not even Sidious or Yoda can be considered 'far' above Dooku, so Revan is most assuredly not.
Originally posted by Count Makashi
Wile i am of opinion that Revan is more powerful with the Force(by a little, not by huge margin as some fanboys are saying)the Revan fanboys are making me to ask, where is this canonically stated, show me a quote, where it says Revan is stronger then Dooku in the Force.
As far as quotes about Revan Kreia said this "Revan was power. It was like staring into the heart of the Force." You guys can make your own opinion on the quote.The only other thing I could think of off the top of my head was that Bane said Revan's holocron had more knowledge than Korriban. Or something along those lines. And didn't Bane say later on that Revan knew force techniques that he (Bane) was scared to try?
Originally posted by Gideon
...Right. And this has to do with... what? Revan's fights /= Dooku's fights. They weren't the same, so Revan being 'undefeated' doesn't mean shit when comparing him to Dooku, since their struggles and tribulations were different and against different people.
Revan has faced some challenges which were harder then the challenge that Dooku would provide him. Want to see an example? Here is one:
Revan vs SF enhanced Malak:
Darth Malak on regular basis is better then Dooku in some cases. By the end of JCW, the Star Forge had enhanced his power further by a good deal and then he made some preparations that made him a nearly unstoppable opponent. This final fight was so hard that it was described to be of titanic proportions but guess what who won in the end? REVAN
Now you need to think twice before you go on and say that Revan cannot handle Dooku. He will defeat Dooku in most cases and that too comfortably.
Originally posted by Gideon
This is what I'm talking about. If you can't learn to read, we don't need to debate. You have Revan so far up your ass it's effecting your eyesight. I have - in several previous arguments and in this - acknowledged that Revan is a superb tactition. If you'd learn to read, however, I said that he's no Thrawn and that he wouldn't be pulling a plan out of his ass.
And Revan has actually proved on several occasions that he can make smart decisions at the time of need. He will definately pull out a smart plan when he will engage in a hard fight.
Originally posted by Gideon
Jesus, you're stupid. Okay, did Krayt not know of Palpatine simply because he didn't have Palpatine's holocron? Oh, wait! A lowly lieutenant makes reference to Palpatine in the Legacy comics. One must assume that the successes and failures of previous Sith are something that is taught. Perhaps Sith history?
Originally posted by Gideon
'Sith history' /= technique...
Originally posted by Gideon
...If Revan's foresight and precognition were so amazing, he'd have knew about Malak's betrayal before it happened. Guess what? He didn't.
Revan's life was under threat and he was cornered by the Jedi strike on the deck of his ship. He was thinking about dealing with those Jedi at that time. Now what would you expect from him or anybody in that of kind of situation?
Originally posted by Gideon
You amaze me with your stupidity. If you continue to debate like this, don't bother continuing this argument, and concede. I have not said that Revan's precognition sucks. Just that it isn't infallible.
Originally posted by Gideon
Mace was a master of Shatterpoint, yes, not heralded for his foresight. Shatterpoint detects weaknesses, precognition gives you the foresight to see future events. He failed to forsee Anakin's betrayal.
Originally posted by Gideon
I could make a whole list of reasons that would debunk this little theory, but I don't have to. I never said Sidious was infallible. Of course he's fallible. He's dead, isn't he? He was eventually defeated.
Originally posted by Gideon
I never said that Revan sucked, you dumbass.
What I wanted to say is that even Sidious failed to sense the betrayal in a particlar situation and lost. But this does not means that he does not have exceptional Precognition.
Similar was the case of Revan.
Originally posted by Gideon
Stick to your [piss-poor] argument, not [really poor excuses for] witty insults.
Originally posted by Gideon
He was.
Check this quote: The two entered into a spectacular duel -- a contest between the most powerful practitioners of the Force's light and dark sides. The Emperor proved too powerful to defeat. Though Yoda held his own for much of the duel, in the end, the Sith bested him.[/quote]
Yoda was the most powerful practitioner of the Light Side of the Force in his age but that does not means that he was equal to Sidious.
[i]Originally posted by Gideon
No, Yoda himself acknowledged that Sidious couldn't be beaten in that situation.
Sidious could not be beaten by him in most situations because Sidious was more powerful then him.
Originally posted by Gideon
I never denied Revan's military genius.
Originally posted by Gideon
Those politicians /= Sidious or Dooku.
Originally posted by Gideon
What's this supposed to prove?
Originally posted by Gideon
You've yet to prove it.
A) Superior precogntition capabilities.
B) More level of smartness.
C) And being a master strategist, schemer and planner.
Originally posted by Gideon
Dooku lacks precognition? I've told you that no one has infallible precognition, so declaring that it will be justification for their victory is ridiculous.
Originally posted by Gideon
No, no. Myths are false. This would be fact.
Originally posted by Gideon
Lmao! I ought to indulge myself on a string of insults declaring how stupid you are. Yoda is 'the most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known' you jackass. The excerpt you quoted proves it.
Originally posted by Gideon
The 'just didn't have it part'? That signifies that he couldn't - and he didn't - defeat Sidious that day. Not that he wasn't the most powerful foe of the darkness.
Originally posted by Gideon
No. Yoda and Sidious are not far stronger than Dooku, you freakin' fanboy, and both of them are more powerful than Revan.
Originally posted by Gideon
Drew /= Lucas. He can't make such claims.
Question: Who’s stronger – Darth Bane, Darth Revan or Darth Vader?
Answer: It’s a tie.
And these 3 people are more powerful then Dooku. Vader easily destroyed Dooku in a single combat and Revan can match Vader's strength and power.
Also, Revan's Force Mastery is even greater.
Question: Revan was strong in the Force. Could he lift or move some heavy objects with Force?
Answer: Yes. Like Yoda, he could have moved a small spaceship if he really concentrated.
Originally posted by Gideon
Because he was the more powerful duelist, yes.
You were saying dumbass?