Hulk vs. Astonishing X-Men

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
How does she hear then?

c'mon dude... seriously...

I seriously want to know who said Kitty was made of addy? I sure didn't. Maybe it was SphunkySmurf or whatever

but that in itself is an assumption from someone (and please don't take this the wrong way), who doesn't even know how integral lockheed is to kitty...

What does knowing about Lockheed have to do with anything?

if you'd read even half the issues with lockheed, you'd have seen tons of examples of kitty's powers... 😬

I've read all her uncanny, astonishing, and adjectiveless appearances at one time or another, I haven't seen her resist a sonic wave.

it was the density

Just like I thought 🙂

😐, fine, dodge my points... that just stinks of desperation dude...

I didn't dodge any "points" and desperation is introducing something irrelevant, like Lockheed.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
I didn't dodge any "points" and desperation is introducing something irrelevant, like Lockheed.

a weak continuation of a rather weak argument to begin with...

and just for the sake of it:

you dodged the point (continuously) that the megasentinel blast would create sonic effects that would burst the eardrums of anyone as close to ground zero as the x-men were, and yet, shadowcat's phasing kept everyone's body (and hearing), intact...

you dodged the statement of FACT that the box designed to keep her out had more than just density to keep her out... alot more in-fact... if anything the density was just the first hurdle...

you just said you read all of kitty's appearances, yet also admitted you were:

Ignoring Lockheed because I forgot who that is.........

which is it?

what's really irrelevant is the way you seem to be trying to win an argument you lost on the third page of this thread...

if you don't like it, that's fine, but honestly, it makes no difference to me... i'm suddenly filled with the desire to continue this until you concede defeat... or just make even more ludicrous claims than you already have...

Originally posted by pr1983

you dodged the point (continuously) that the megasentinel blast would create sonic effects that would burst the eardrums of anyone as close to ground zero as the x-men were, and yet, shadowcat's phasing kept everyone's body (and hearing), intact...

All of which is hearsay.

you dodged the statement of FACT that the box designed to keep her out had more than just density to keep her out... alot more in-fact... if anything the density was just the first hurdle...

The original point was that she has trouble with high density. All the other stuff in your argument is irrelevant garbage, nobody asked or cared about what else was in the box, just that one of the reasons that made it so hard for her to phase was the density. Poor debating on your part.

you just said you read all of kitty's appearances, yet also admitted you were:

Your point?

what's really irrelevant is the way you seem to be trying to win an argument you lost on the third page of this thread...

I never lost the argument as the Kitty fans haven't really provided anything that out right shows her immunity to sound based attacks. If anything your frustrations are causing you to lose.

or just make even more ludicrous claims than you already have...

Like?

PS: What's funny is how all these irrelevant scans posted out of frustration can be brought up but nothing showing Kitty being unhampered by a sonic based attack. I wonder why?

The scans show that your argument is nonexistent.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1515/90beatsdownemmafrost5jp0.jpg

Oh look, Emma can hear Kitty. Her eardrums must have just imploded from the weight of the earth around her.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/836/81fallsthroughalot2pp6.jpg

Oh look, Kitty just talked, the metal she's phased into must be crushing her lungs, trachea, larynx, tongue and mouth.

The sound of the thunderclap is doing nothing to her ears, the ensuing air pressure waves are doing nothing to her ears nor her body. Sound is mechanical (kinetic) energy that propagates through a matter medium. She phases through matter and energy. The ensuing air pressure waves are the same as sound, kinetic energy propagating through air. Scans have been shown of her phasing through comparable energy. Your (lack of) argument based on characters having dialogue would mean that she wouldn't be able to phase ever; Emma's aural systems would be destroyed in the above scan, and Kitty's vocal and aural systems would be destroyed in the above scan 2; purely due to her talking, listening and phasing. Your (lack of) argument that Kitty cannot phase sound i.e. kinetic energy, would not be able to phase through an ordinary punch from an ordinary person at her head.

The only things that Kitty has shown difficulty in phasing through are adamantium and the Kitty proof box, the latter because a combination of factors. She phases through Colossus with ease, who Wolverine's adamantium claws cannot cut, she can phase through Danger who is also made of hyperdense alloys.

All of this warrants a repost of this:

Originally posted by llagrok

No they don't, they show Emma and Kitty being able to talk while phased. Again in 200+ comics can you come up with ONE instance where she phased through a sonic attack? I mean, I see you have no problem posting Emma being able to hear while phased.

Scans have already been shown of her phasing through high pressure, high velocity air waves on the first page. You have nothing. Try harder.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
All of which is hearsay.

well they could all still hear each other after the blast, so not so much hearsay as well, shown on panel...

The original point was that she has trouble with high density. All the other stuff in your argument is irrelevant garbage, nobody asked or cared about what else was in the box, just that one of the reasons that made it so hard for her to phase was the density. Poor debating on your part.

not at all... she has trouble with very high density, that is true, though she has been able to phase through highly dense objects before...

it was the addition of the submolecular shift matrix that made things so difficult...

and yet she still phased through it...

Your point?

😕 you didn't get it? kind of, sort of, that you were contradicting yourself... 😐

I never lost the argument as the Kitty fans haven't really provided anything that out right shows her immunity to sound based attacks. If anything your frustrations are causing you to lose.

kitty fans? kitty fans? wow, you couldn't be wider of the mark... the woman is nowhere close to being my favourite character, sorry... 😬

cyclops, colossus, emma, iceman, thor, hawkeye, the silver surfer, THE HULK, hank pym, psylocke, sage, captain america... just some of the characters i like more than shadowcat... sorry... 😬

it has been shown consistently (explosions create massive shock-waves of concussive force and sound), but you obviously don't like it, so you choose to disregard it... not my fault...

and i don't think i'm the one who's getting frustrated, am i?

Like?

you call us kitty fans, yet seem to put the hulk on such a pedestal at the same time...

PS: What's funny is how all these irrelevant scans posted out of frustration can be brought up but nothing showing Kitty being unhampered by a sonic based attack. I wonder why?

there you go again with that word, 'frustration' when it's so obvious that the it's not me who's getting frustrated...

project much?

and fyi: hulk's thunderclap is not a 'sonic based attack' it is a concussive shock-wave caused by massive air displacement... the sonic boom is just a secondary product of it...

and what x said, too...

Show her phasing through an attack, a sonic scream, a Songbird/Klaw construct, SOMETHING. I mean Kitty's got feats out the ass that I apparently haven't seen, this sonic feat MUST exist. There must be SOMETHING in the print other then xmarksthespot opinion and essays.

Originally posted by pr1983
well they could all still hear each other after the blast, so not so much hearsay as well, shown on panel...

The level of volume you have the blast is all hearsay. For all we know the explosion could be no louder then a rocket car at the dragstrip.

not at all... she has trouble with very high density, that is true,

Good, you agree, now stop sidetracking and arguing this point that was done 3 pages ago.

😕 you didn't get it? kind of, sort of, that you were contradicting yourself... 😐

No I wasn't, now enough with the off topic "points."

kitty fans? kitty fans? wow, you couldn't be wider of the mark... the woman is nowhere close to being my favourite character, sorry... 😬
cyclops, colossus, emma, iceman, thor, hawkeye, the silver surfer, THE HULK, hank pym, psylocke, sage, captain america... just some of the characters i like more than shadowcat... sorry... 😬

Who cares?

it has been shown consistently (explosions create massive shock-waves of concussive force and sound), but you obviously don't like it, so you choose to disregard it... not my fault...

Yeah and none of which are direct sonic attacks. I keep saying ONE scan of her taking some form of sonic attack is all I need.


and i don't think i'm the one who's getting frustrated, am i?

you call us kitty fans, yet seem to put the hulk on such a pedestal at the same time...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

and fyi: hulk's thunderclap is not a 'sonic based attack' it is a concussive shock-wave caused by massive air displacement... the sonic boom is just a secondary product of it...

So sonic booms > Hyperion?

Joey Stacks attempting to one-up Xmarksthespot?

Now THAT deserves an
'idiosyntric' smiley >>> 😆

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
[B]The level of volume you have the blast is all hearsay. For all we know the explosion could be no louder then a rocket car at the dragstrip.

that's a pretty loud rocket car...

Good, you agree, now stop sidetracking and arguing this point that was done 3 pages ago.

oh good god... seriously... quit acting like a kid...

No I wasn't, now enough with the off topic "points."

they aren't off topic if they're true...

Who cares?

you're the one who used the term 'kitty fans'

Yeah and none of which are direct sonic attacks. I keep saying ONE scan of her taking some form of sonic attack is all I need.

i did already, its at the top of my post... x did too... several pages back...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

and that means?

So sonic booms > Hyperion?

you must have been in the bathroom when they were handing out deductive reasoning skills... that's it right?

Kitty fans?
What tard...haermm

Originally posted by pr1983

that's a pretty loud rocket car...

How do you even know how loud the explosion was?

oh good god... seriously... quit acting like a kid...

No, I'm saying stop trying to warp points. The point was she has trouble with high density, you agreed, what are you arguing for.

they aren't off topic if they're true...

Your point is neither true nor on topic

you're the one who used the term 'kitty fans'

Omg report me I just said you liked a character!

i did already, its at the top of my post... x did too... several pages back...

Where's the sonics?

and that means?

You're frustrated. Making sentences on how offensive being a Kitty fan is.

you must have been in the bathroom when they were handing out deductive reasoning skills... that's it right?

Bush league insults for the frustrating loss!

mr stacks, its funny how you question how loud that explosion was and say its volume is here say, and then try to say that the hulk is as dense as adamantium with absolutely no proof at all. now wouldn't that qualify as...oh i don't know....here say... perhaps?

His higher end feats put him in addy durability range.

you know, wolverine with his modest strength was able to cut or scrape the hulk...so tell me again how he's as dense as adamantium? last time i checked, adamantium on adamantium didn't result in cuts or scrapes in the metal.

and you do realize that hulks biggest asset is his healing factor right? not so much his durability?

1.) Wolverine was able to cut Thanos when he had the Infinity Gauntlet. Wolverine is not a good measure.

2.) Hulk's durability spikes as rapidly as his strength, hence his higher end feats put him there and not average showings.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
How do you even know how loud the explosion was?

oh good god... seriously... quit acting like a kid...

No, I'm saying stop trying to warp points. The point was she has trouble with high density, you agreed, what are you arguing for.

they aren't off topic if they're true...

Your point is neither true nor on topic

you're the one who used the term 'kitty fans'

Omg report me I just said you liked a character!

i did already, its at the top of my post... x did too... several pages back...

Where's the sonics?

and that means?

You're frustrated. Making sentences on how offensive being a Kitty fan is.

you must have been in the bathroom when they were handing out deductive reasoning skills... that's it right?

Bush league insults for the frustrating loss!

this will be the last time i quote you, because honestly, your inability to hold a conversation and debate on a reasonable level is just wasting my time...

i'm sorry if that sounds callous or mean, and i have no idea how old you are, but i just don't feel like answering questions like:

How do you even know how loud the explosion was?

when they had been standing at ground zero in a blast that ravaged a city...

so that's it really... again, sorry if i come across as mean... 😬