Hulk vs. Astonishing X-Men

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Any large explosion will be able to knock out Hyperion based on sound generation?

hyperion (as you know 😛), isn't kitty pryde... just because he has more raw power than her doesn't mean he'll be automatically better at deflecting every type of attack...

She hears doesn't she? That's her being affected.

not especially, which leads me to:

When?

the supersentinel death ray in astonishing for one that x posted... and that'd be pretty loud...

Kitty has shown to have troubles in the past phasing through extremely dense substances, like addy, I don't see why someone who's arguably as dense as it wouldn't be able to give her feedback.

hasn't adamantium cut through hulk before? hulk isn't dense enough that he can't be hurt, adamantium is almost indestructable...

as dense as hulk is, i don't think he's near being as dense as adamantium...

dude, honestly, we could do this all night... is it really worth it? 😛

Originally posted by pr1983
hyperion (as you know 😛), isn't kitty pryde... just because he has more raw power than her doesn't mean he'll be automatically better at deflecting every type of attack...

I'm not comparing Hyperion to Kitty, I'm questioning how someone as durable as Hype is knocked out by an attack which is only equal to a Sonic Boom without there being high level sonics around.

the supersentinel death ray in astonishing for one that x posted... and that'd be pretty loud...

Me screaming at the top of my lungs is pretty loud, I doubt that'd put anyone out of comission.

hasn't adamantium cut through hulk before? hulk isn't dense enough that he can't be hurt, adamantium is almost indestructable...

The closest thing I can think of is Wolverine scraping the Hulk. Wolverine has also scraped Thanos when he had the Infinity Gauntlet. Adamantium is almost indestructable unless you're packing Skyfather power, guess what Hulk is?

as dense as hulk is, i don't think he's near being as dense as adamantium...

I disagree.

dude, honestly, we could do this all night... is it really worth it? 😛

It's a rainy afternoon here and i don't feel like hopping on a train and getting some work sooooo.

Originally posted by llagrok

😆

sorry, couldn't resist...

Hulk as also took mental attacks from Xavier Stranger and Shaper of Worlds.
Source Respect Hulk thread.
Sending Torch and Thing flying
http://img132.exs.cx/img132/9245/thunderclap64le.jpg

The Hulk's thunder clap is louder than a sonic boom!
http://img233.echo.cx/img233/7941/s...erclap022ve.jpg

Again compared to a sonic boom… while Hulkster’s weakened!
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/5940/s...erclap092cu.jpg

While having his strength drained by Xemnu, the Hulk's thunderclap is far more powerful than any hurricane in history.
http://img78.exs.cx/img78/2135/thunderclap35hg.jpg

Hulk defeats Hyperion with a thunderclap.
http://img138.exs.cx/img138/8003/hulkhype3aw.jpg

The Hulk's thunderclap finishes off Ironclad and Ogress.
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/7126/s...erclap031ux.jpg

Knocks back a powerful adversary in the form of the grey Hulk.
http://img222.exs.cx/img222/6991/sh...erclap135sd.jpg

Sending people and heavy machinery crashing through a wall:
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/3624/s...erclap078zz.jpg

Bringing down the house:
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/5110/s...erclap087qo.jpg

Sending some Avengers reeling:
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/6572/s...rclap11a8wh.jpg

A fire that rages for several blocks is snuffed out by one near-hurricane force clap:
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/6679/s...rclap10a2iy.jpg
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/6498/s...rclap10b3rd.jpg

Hulk puts Spidey down with one clap. (This story was later retconned.)
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/9578/s...erclap125sj.jpg

&

Willpower

Psyklop’s hypno-vision fails against an enraged Hulk.
http://img55.exs.cx/img55/8831/psyklop0ki.jpg

The Hulk resists the Shaper of Worlds...
http://i147.exs.cx/img147/9926/ment...shaper1a1nl.jpg
http://i147.exs.cx/img147/4828/ment...shaper1b8xw.jpg

Hydra’s machine is no match for Hulk's willpower:
http://img133.exs.cx/img133/7203/willpower15ya.jpg

Banner is hypnotized for around 24 hours (give or take). When he transforms into the Hulk, he instantly breaks free:
http://img144.exs.cx/img144/5194/hypnosis7wn.jpg

Resisting a hypnotizing ray that had taken over an island:
http://img39.exs.cx/img39/738/mentalresistance146iz.jpg

The Hulk overcomes the Stranger's command to remain motionless.
http://img27.exs.cx/img27/1849/stranger27nq.jpg

The Hulk resists Ringmaster's hypnotism:
http://img27.exs.cx/img27/5848/ringmaster0oi.jpg

Samson's encephalo-helmet previously brought Banner's mind to the fore... but fails when the Hulk is enraged.
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/8299/me...sistance2rh.jpg

When ordered to kill the Sub-Mariner, the Hulk resists the Puppet Master's control.
http://img96.exs.cx/img96/2479/puppetmaster0dr.jpg

The Hulk fights off the Leader's illusion.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/6821/leader26rr.jpg

The Leader's illusions again fail against the Hulk.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/6897/leader45xh.jpg

Near death, the Hulk resists the Leader's psionic attack.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/5246/leader36ww.jpg

The Hulk's will proves too much for the Vision, who is able to escape only with help from Betty Banner.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/4600/willpower28hh.jpg

The Hulk's dual nature shakes off the power of Glorian, the Shaper of Worlds' apprentice.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/118/me...stance119xo.jpg

The Hulk's will overcomes Nightmare and D'spayre.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/2550/m...ghtmare13gt.jpg
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/3629/m...htmare1a1ig.jpg

The Hulk resists a greatly augmented Mentallo (but is eventually overcome by images of Brian Banner). Later he breaks free.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/9233/m...stance021hj.jpg

http://img156.echo.cx/img156/2644/m...tance02a6ku.jpg

The Hulk resists Xavier's mental control.
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/3213/onslaughtcontrol5vt.jpg

Even weakened, the Hulk withstands Xemnu's mental attacks.
http://img78.exs.cx/img78/3075/xemnu5hm.jpg

When Tyrannus tries to use the Hulk's body to kill, the Hulk resists.
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/4775/tyrannuscontrol3rt.jpg

The Hulk resists Loki's attempt to take over his mind.
http://img110.exs.cx/img110/4110/loki8tj.jpg

The Hulk's mental strength overpowers the combined mental strength of an entire town.
http://img19.exs.cx/img19/7508/communalhulks8wh.jpg
http://img19.exs.cx/img19/2691/communalhulks23bg.jpg

Comet Man's first attempt at "pitch thought" is a painful experience.
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/8526/cometman3pi.jpg

Selene (the Black Queen):
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/9643/selene7xg.jpg

The Hulk resists a skrull telepath:
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/3050/telepath5jr.jpg

The Hulk overcomes the power of Man-Beast's hate.
http://img252.echo.cx/img252/775/me...manbeast1qo.jpg

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
I'm not comparing Hyperion to Kitty, I'm questioning how someone as durable as Hype is knocked out by an attack which is only equal to a Sonic Boom without there being high level sonics around.

the supersentinel death ray in astonishing for one that x posted... and that'd be pretty loud...

Me screaming at the top of my lungs is pretty loud, I doubt that'd put anyone out of comission.

hasn't adamantium cut through hulk before? hulk isn't dense enough that he can't be hurt, adamantium is almost indestructable...

The closest thing I can think of is Wolverine scraping the Hulk. Wolverine has also scraped Thanos when he had the Infinity Gauntlet. Adamantium is almost indestructable unless you're packing Skyfather power, guess what Hulk is?

as dense as hulk is, i don't think he's near being as dense as adamantium...

I disagree.

dude, honestly, we could do this all night... is it really worth it? 😛

It's a rainy afternoon here and i don't feel like hopping on a train and getting some work sooooo.

When Hulk gets mad enough adamantium can't cut him.

Originally posted by golem370
Hulk as also took mental attacks from Xavier Stranger and Shaper of Worlds.
Source Respect Hulk thread.
Sending Torch and Thing flying
http://img132.exs.cx/img132/9245/thunderclap64le.jpg

The Hulk's thunder clap is louder than a sonic boom!
http://img233.echo.cx/img233/7941/s...erclap022ve.jpg

Again compared to a sonic boom… while Hulkster’s weakened!
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/5940/s...erclap092cu.jpg

While having his strength drained by Xemnu, the Hulk's thunderclap is far more powerful than any hurricane in history.
http://img78.exs.cx/img78/2135/thunderclap35hg.jpg

Hulk defeats Hyperion with a thunderclap.
http://img138.exs.cx/img138/8003/hulkhype3aw.jpg

The Hulk's thunderclap finishes off Ironclad and Ogress.
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/7126/s...erclap031ux.jpg

Knocks back a powerful adversary in the form of the grey Hulk.
http://img222.exs.cx/img222/6991/sh...erclap135sd.jpg

Sending people and heavy machinery crashing through a wall:
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/3624/s...erclap078zz.jpg

Bringing down the house:
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/5110/s...erclap087qo.jpg

Sending some Avengers reeling:
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/6572/s...rclap11a8wh.jpg

A fire that rages for several blocks is snuffed out by one near-hurricane force clap:
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/6679/s...rclap10a2iy.jpg
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/6498/s...rclap10b3rd.jpg

Hulk puts Spidey down with one clap. (This story was later retconned.)
http://img226.echo.cx/img226/9578/s...erclap125sj.jpg

&

Willpower

Psyklop’s hypno-vision fails against an enraged Hulk.
http://img55.exs.cx/img55/8831/psyklop0ki.jpg

The Hulk resists the Shaper of Worlds...
http://i147.exs.cx/img147/9926/ment...shaper1a1nl.jpg
http://i147.exs.cx/img147/4828/ment...shaper1b8xw.jpg

Hydra’s machine is no match for Hulk's willpower:
http://img133.exs.cx/img133/7203/willpower15ya.jpg

Banner is hypnotized for around 24 hours (give or take). When he transforms into the Hulk, he instantly breaks free:
http://img144.exs.cx/img144/5194/hypnosis7wn.jpg

Resisting a hypnotizing ray that had taken over an island:
http://img39.exs.cx/img39/738/mentalresistance146iz.jpg

The Hulk overcomes the Stranger's command to remain motionless.
http://img27.exs.cx/img27/1849/stranger27nq.jpg

The Hulk resists Ringmaster's hypnotism:
http://img27.exs.cx/img27/5848/ringmaster0oi.jpg

Samson's encephalo-helmet previously brought Banner's mind to the fore... but fails when the Hulk is enraged.
http://img146.exs.cx/img146/8299/me...sistance2rh.jpg

When ordered to kill the Sub-Mariner, the Hulk resists the Puppet Master's control.
http://img96.exs.cx/img96/2479/puppetmaster0dr.jpg

The Hulk fights off the Leader's illusion.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/6821/leader26rr.jpg

The Leader's illusions again fail against the Hulk.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/6897/leader45xh.jpg

Near death, the Hulk resists the Leader's psionic attack.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/5246/leader36ww.jpg

The Hulk's will proves too much for the Vision, who is able to escape only with help from Betty Banner.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/4600/willpower28hh.jpg

The Hulk's dual nature shakes off the power of Glorian, the Shaper of Worlds' apprentice.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/118/me...stance119xo.jpg

The Hulk's will overcomes Nightmare and D'spayre.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/2550/m...ghtmare13gt.jpg
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/3629/m...htmare1a1ig.jpg

The Hulk resists a greatly augmented Mentallo (but is eventually overcome by images of Brian Banner). Later he breaks free.
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/9233/m...stance021hj.jpg

http://img156.echo.cx/img156/2644/m...tance02a6ku.jpg

The Hulk resists Xavier's mental control.
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/3213/onslaughtcontrol5vt.jpg

Even weakened, the Hulk withstands Xemnu's mental attacks.
http://img78.exs.cx/img78/3075/xemnu5hm.jpg

When Tyrannus tries to use the Hulk's body to kill, the Hulk resists.
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/4775/tyrannuscontrol3rt.jpg

The Hulk resists Loki's attempt to take over his mind.
http://img110.exs.cx/img110/4110/loki8tj.jpg

The Hulk's mental strength overpowers the combined mental strength of an entire town.
http://img19.exs.cx/img19/7508/communalhulks8wh.jpg
http://img19.exs.cx/img19/2691/communalhulks23bg.jpg

Comet Man's first attempt at "pitch thought" is a painful experience.
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/8526/cometman3pi.jpg

Selene (the Black Queen):
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/9643/selene7xg.jpg

The Hulk resists a skrull telepath:
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/3050/telepath5jr.jpg

The Hulk overcomes the power of Man-Beast's hate.
http://img252.echo.cx/img252/775/me...manbeast1qo.jpg

cool, tho i have dialup, and it would take me forever to go through that list... 😛

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
I'm not comparing Hyperion to Kitty, I'm questioning how someone as durable as Hype is knocked out by an attack which is only equal to a Sonic Boom without there being high level sonics around.

you're answering your own question... it affects him and not her because of the way her powers seem to protect her from such attacks...

Me screaming at the top of my lungs is pretty loud, I doubt that'd put anyone out of comission.

it was the same kind of blast that killed millions of genoshans... tell me that isn't loud... go on... 😛

The closest thing I can think of is Wolverine scraping the Hulk. Wolverine has also scraped Thanos when he had the Infinity Gauntlet. Adamantium is almost indestructable unless you're packing Skyfather power, guess what Hulk is?

but kitty isn't composed of adamantium... it's like i said before (when referring to the comparison of kitty and hyperion), just because an attack works person A, doesn't mean its going to work on person B, even if they are less powerful, because they could easily have a defence that protects them from such attacks... the way kitty does...

I disagree.

fair enough... 😛 but even then, it's as much the composition of adamantium as its density...

It's a rainy afternoon here and i don't feel like hopping on a train and getting some work sooooo.

😆

fair enough, but i know we're just going to end up repeating ourselves over and over...

Originally posted by pr1983
cool, tho i have dialup, and it would take me forever to go through that list... 😛

you're answering your own question... it affects him and not her because of the way her powers seem to protect her from such attacks...

And you're not getting the question, how does someone as durable as Hyperion get knocked out by a sonicboom without there being intangibles (really loud)? This isn't A>B>C this is A+B=C > D. Hulk's thunderclap is more then a sonicboom and generates a deafening sound able to bring Hype to his knees, Kitty's sound defenses are that of a normal human, Hulk Smash.

it was the same kind of blast that killed millions of genoshans... tell me that isn't loud... go on... 😛

You know what else is loud? The drag strip. That's not knocking anyone out though.

but kitty isn't composed of adamantium...

Who said she was?

it's like i said before (when referring to the comparison of kitty and hyperion),

Nobody was comparing Kitty to Hype, I was saying that because Hulk is able to bring Hype to his knees and holding his ears his power works differently then how it's being incorrectly portrayed (concussive force with a little bit of sound thrown in) and do to the nature of said power and the nature of Kitten's intangibility (and hearing) this power will work on her. Not it will work on her because she's less durable or w/e.

fair enough... 😛 but even then, it's as much the composition of adamantium as its density...

Wasn't what made the Kitty box so tough to phase through its density?

Hyperion being beaten by Hulk's thunderclap. That's more PIS than Drax ripping out Thanos' heart.

I can see that Stack's hulk fanboyism shows through once again.

One thing is if you slap your hands together it makes noise. Also even if it didn't cause sound waves it does make some kind of wave that is stronger then Marvel earth most powerful hurricane on record. Now a question those astonshing x-men how would have fare against a hurricane even half a mile away, which Hulk would likely be closer then that. Also when Hulk made that hurricane slap he was weakend

It ain't fanboyism If he makes since. Vision couldn't phase threw Hulk I'd doubt Kitty would be able ether

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
I can see that Stack's hulk fanboyism shows through once again.

I would say something

but I don't even know who this poster is

1 <3

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1515/90beatsdownemmafrost5jp0.jpg

Oh look, Emma can hear Kitty. Her eardrums must have just imploded from the weight of the earth around her.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
And you're not getting the question, how does someone as durable as Hyperion get knocked out by a sonicboom without there being intangibles (really loud)? This isn't A>B>C this is A+B=C > D. Hulk's thunderclap is more then a sonicboom and generates a deafening sound able to bring Hype to his knees, Kitty's sound defenses are that of a normal human, Hulk Smash.

😐

no, they aren't... her powers protect her from matter and energy, they always have...

and besides, kitty has always been able to manipulate her phased state to grab and release objects, it stands to reason that she could easily just manipulate her state to protect herself from stuff like explosions and thunderclaps and the energy they release...

You know what else is loud? The drag strip. That's not knocking anyone out though.

seriously... what?

Who said she was?

c'mon dude... seriously...

Nobody was comparing Kitty to Hype, I was saying that because Hulk is able to bring Hype to his knees and holding his ears his power works differently then how it's being incorrectly portrayed (concussive force with a little bit of sound thrown in) and do to the nature of said power and the nature of Kitten's intangibility (and hearing) this power will work on her. Not it will work on her because she's less durable or w/e.

but that in itself is an assumption from someone (and please don't take this the wrong way), who doesn't even know how integral lockheed is to kitty...

if you'd read even half the issues with lockheed, you'd have seen tons of examples of kitty's powers... 😬

Wasn't what made the Kitty box so tough to phase through its density?

it was the density PLUS the submolecular shift matrix, meaning every single molecule in that box was constantly in a state of motion... it was a combination of both... if it was just density her job would have been a hell of alot easier...

Last time I checked Hulk was neither made of adamantium, nor a container specifically designed by Xavier and Beast to prevent entry by Kitty's phasing - which still failed.

But then Kitty can "hear" and "talk" when phased even in the ground and despite the fact that her aural and vocal anatomy is also phased so any old person can just pass their hand through her head and neck and beat her obviously.

Originally posted by pr1983
😐

no, they aren't... her powers protect her from matter and energy, they always have...

How does she hear then?

c'mon dude... seriously...

I seriously want to know who said Kitty was made of addy? I sure didn't. Maybe it was SphunkySmurf or whatever

but that in itself is an assumption from someone (and please don't take this the wrong way), who doesn't even know how integral lockheed is to kitty...

What does knowing about Lockheed have to do with anything?

if you'd read even half the issues with lockheed, you'd have seen tons of examples of kitty's powers... 😬

I've read all her uncanny, astonishing, and adjectiveless appearances at one time or another, I haven't seen her resist a sonic wave.

it was the density

Just like I thought 🙂

Originally posted by golem370
It ain't fanboyism If he makes since. Vision couldn't phase threw Hulk I'd doubt Kitty would be able ether

Both use different types of techniques to phase. Vision alters his density while Kitty phases and spins her atoms through the medium she's phasing through.

BTW Whoever said he resisted Xavier(Onslaught) scan is so off it's not even funny 😐 . He saw a poster that looked like Betty and stopped. He didn't resist Onslaught he was still his mind slave. It was Cable who played a major part in helping the Hulk overcome Onslaughts influence. Storm and him shut his mind down and then rebooted it.

Selenes psychic caress managed to flaw the Grey Hulk. However Hulk resisted her mind control.

So far the Hulk has been shown to resist Hypnosis, Mind Control and Free himself from Illusions. But you have to understand that those are different types of telepathic techniques. Those can be overcome by sure will.

There's mind blasts, which is just frying the mind with pure psionic energy. And he has shown some resistance to(Xemnu's) However he has also been been effected by them eg. Selenes psychic caress. So it probably depends on his level of anger.

Then there's another type of telepathy where the telepath can effect an individuals higher brain functions. The part of the brain you don't have conscious control over. eg the part that produces hormones and is responsible for balance(When your drunk this part of your brain is inhibited). And there's no instance where this type of telepathy has been used on the Hulk.

it was the density

Just like I thought 🙂

It wasn't only the density. The alloy was a submolecular shift matrix. Its molecules weren't just spinning in one place they were shifting. She had to spin her own atoms to get past the shifting molecules.

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/836/81fallsthroughalot2pp6.jpg

Oh look, Kitty just talked, the metal she's phased into must be crushing her lungs, trachea, larynx, tongue and mouth.

What does that have to do with anything?