Ultimate Namor vs. Sentry

Did Sentry look beat to you? He held his throat for about a second and then had to help the Heli-carrier out. He then single handily was saving the heli-carrier from crashing until Simon and Carol got there and helped (in which we dont know if he would have been able to do it on his own or not). Do you actually think that Carol and Simon held it up by themselves (Sentry never let go).

As for Ultron, again, before the fight even started Carol asked him to not throw her into the sun in case there was any way of saving Tony. Also, Ultron was smacking the entire team around before hand so Sentry fighting to a stalemate that never ended to declare a winner was nothing to laugh at.

I cant believe you are seeing this as a low feat. Its crazy.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Despite the fact Carol had already stated an issue prior he's "more powerful than all of us".

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And I'm really the only one that suspects foul play?

If it turns out in MA #4 that Sentry hadn't been depowered, fine, I'll take it all back. But until then I [b]STILL suspect that to have occured. [/B]

The same was basically said about Ares in that issue.

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Originally posted by tkitna
Did Sentry look beat to you? He held his throat for about a second and then had to help the Heli-carrier out. He then single handily was saving the heli-carrier from crashing until Simon and Carol got there and helped (in which we dont know if he would have been able to do it on his own or not). Do you actually think that Carol and Simon held it up by themselves (Sentry never let go).

As for Ultron, again, before the fight even started Carol asked him to not throw her into the sun in case there was any way of saving Tony. Also, Ultron was smacking the entire team around before hand so Sentry fighting to a stalemate that never ended to declare a winner was nothing to laugh at.

I cant believe you are seeing this as a low feat. Its crazy.

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Yes he did. After his punch was casually blocked and his mouth bloodied, the fight was seemingly over. It's was pretty well established that Sentry would have been unable to defeat her.

Sentry single handedly did nothing. The Heli Carrier was going to crash before Wonder Man and Ms. Marvel aided him in breaking it's fall.

She was being sarcastic, and at that point Ultrons powers were unknown.

That wasn't a stalemate, there was a clear winner at the conclusion of the fight.

Originally posted by His Airness
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Yes he did. After his punch was casually blocked and his mouth bloodied, the fight was seemingly over. It's was pretty well established that Sentry would have been unable to defeat her.

So the Sentry was out cold with Ultron standing over him in victory? Please! After he got hit in the throat he immediately went after the heli-carrier. He was in no way done yet.

Sentry single handedly did nothing. The Heli Carrier was going to crash before Wonder Man and Ms. Marvel aided him in breaking it's fall.

It would appear so, but do we really know? There was still time before it crashed. For the sake of arguing though, i'll agree with you that it probably would have crashed.

She was being sarcastic, and at that point Ultrons powers were unknown.

She was not being sarcastic. She did not want Sentry to kill her because of Tony.

That wasn't a stalemate, there was a clear winner at the conclusion of the fight.

Why, because Ultron said so? I didnt see either one of them down for the count.

Here's the scan of Carol telling him not to throw her into the sun. Doesnt look to sarcastic to me until Sentry answers her.

http://images.comicbookresources.com/previews/marvelcomics/mightyavengers/003/preview/MIGHTAVN003_intLowRes-3.jpg

Originally posted by tkitna
Did Sentry look beat to you? He held his throat for about a second and then had to help the Heli-carrier out. He then single handily was saving the heli-carrier from crashing until Simon and Carol got there and helped (in which we dont know if he would have been able to do it on his own or not). Do you actually think that Carol and Simon held it up by themselves (Sentry never let go).

As for Ultron, again, before the fight even started Carol asked him to not throw her into the sun in case there was any way of saving Tony. Also, Ultron was smacking the entire team around before hand so Sentry fighting to a stalemate that never ended to declare a winner was nothing to laugh at.

I cant believe you are seeing this as a low feat. Its crazy.

Yeah Sentry was clearly holding back because they need Ultron for answers. It looked like a good fight and Ultron was the one who retreated not Sentry.

Ultimate Namor literally has somewhere in the range of 2-5 feats. I think it's way too early to be pitting him in Versus forum fights.

That being said, I'd have to lean towards Sentry for this one. We haven't seen enough of Namor's speed, but I believe we can safely assume he isn't FTL. Sentry's greater speed would give him an advantage.

As a side not: Sentry lost the fight with Ultron? Really? First of all, he was holding back (remained completely physical, was told not to hurt Ultron in case Tony was still alive). Secondly, he stalemated the machine for the majority of the fight. Granted, she got several good shots in, but then had to rely on using the Helicarrier as a diversion?

Doesn't sound like someone who was confident in their ability to win to me. And it's also very clear that fight was far from over, had, ya' know, Ultron not run away.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
Ultimate Namor literally has somewhere in the range of 2-5 feats. I think it's way too early to be pitting him in Versus forum fights.

That being said, I'd have to lean towards Sentry for this one. We haven't seen enough of Namor's speed, but I believe we can safely assume he isn't FTL. Sentry's greater speed would give him an advantage.

As a side not: Sentry lost the fight with Ultron? Really? First of all, he was holding back (remained completely physical, was told not to hurt Ultron in case Tony was still alive). Secondly, he stalemated the machine for the majority of the fight. Granted, she got several good shots in, but then had to rely on using the Helicarrier as a diversion?

Doesn't sound like someone who was confident in their ability to win to me. And it's also very clear that fight was far from over, had, ya' know, Ultron not run away.

Feats that were undeniably impressive, ranging from being established as the strongest meta-human on earth to threatening to destroy Manhattan with a giant tidal wave.

Greater travel speed? Don't think so, Namor shown the ability to instantly teleport himself. Lets not even get started on combat speed, because Sentry lacks any feats supporting him being faster than Namor.

Sentry hasn't shown many powers besides in the physical area. Assuming he was holding back especially when it wasn't stated is completely speculation.

When did dropping a weapon on your opponent become a diversion? Many characters have dropped cars, buses, tanks, etc on their opponent mid battle, whats the problem with Ultron doing so?

You act as if she was forced to run away. She bloodied him and tthen commenced to drop the Heli-Carrier on his head. The Heli-Carrier he was unable to stop without aid from his team.

http://images.comicbookresources.co...intLowRes-3.jpg

It is implied in the scan above that he was holding back as he said he wouldnt throw her into the sun and that he remembered the talk Carol and he had about him losing control.

Aw, who cares anymore. We'll probably be seeing what he has in the next few months anyways.

One last comment about the fight too. Its apparent that Ultron is above physical harm as Sentry caved her head in and then nearly took her head off with another punch and she was unfazed. Unless Sentry was going to tear her in half (which he wasnt going to do due to Carol and Tony) how could anybody think the outcome would have been different?

There was no winner or loser.

Originally posted by tkitna
http://images.comicbookresources.co...intLowRes-3.jpg

It is implied in the scan above that he was holding back as he said he wouldnt throw her into the sun and that he remembered the talk Carol and he had about him losing control.

Aw, who cares anymore. We'll probably be seeing what he has in the next few months anyways.

Sarcasm. I guess Bendis has to make the obvious... more obvious.

Regardless of Sentry holding back (or being depowered) She-tron is pretty uber at this point.

So whether Sentry's stalemating her is a low feat is too early to call.

Anyone else notice how She-tron not only looks like Wasp, but said that she loved her? 🤨 Technically, Janet is Ultron's mom....... Looks like Ultron is into incest.....vin

Anybody else notice the detail on Ultron's crotch in the "retreat" picture?

Originally posted by His Airness
Sarcasm. I guess Bendis has to make the obvious... more obvious.

Wouldn't throwing her into the sun have been a good idea if the goal was to defeat her?

Link quit working for some reason. Oh well, heres the entire link.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10527

Originally posted by His Airness
Feats that were undeniably impressive, ranging from being established as the strongest meta-human on earth to threatening to destroy Manhattan with a giant tidal wave.

Hyperbole

Originally posted by His Airness
Greater travel speed? Don't think so, Namor shown the ability to instantly teleport himself. Lets not even get started on combat speed, because Sentry lacks any feats supporting him being faster than Namor.

Bullshit

Originally posted by His Airness
Sentry hasn't shown many powers besides in the physical area. Assuming he was holding back especially when it wasn't stated is completely speculation.

Again bullshit

Mental manipulation , Energy blasts, super-hearing , super perception, flight , empathy ect

Sentry has quite a few powers.

Originally posted by His Airness
When did dropping a weapon on your opponent become a diversion? Many characters have dropped cars, buses, tanks, etc on their opponent mid battle, whats the problem with Ultron doing so?

Because afterwards she ran like a *****.

Originally posted by His Airness
You act as if she was forced to run away. She bloodied him and tthen commenced to drop the Heli-Carrier on his head. The Heli-Carrier he was unable to stop without aid from his team.

Which makes sense, unlike Supes Sentry doesn't have tactile Tk (it's how Supes is able to hold onto large objects without them breaking under their own weight/force) he's struggling to hold a 80,000 ton object and make sure it doesn't tear itself in half.

Originally posted by grey fox

Which makes sense, unlike Supes Sentry doesn't have tactile Tk (it's how Supes is able to hold onto large objects without them breaking under their own weight/force) he's struggling to hold a 80,000 ton object and make sure it doesn't tear itself in half.

Exactly.

Originally posted by His Airness
Feats that were undeniably impressive, ranging from being established as the strongest meta-human on earth to threatening to destroy Manhattan with a giant tidal wave.

Greater travel speed? Don't think so, Namor shown the ability to instantly teleport himself. Lets not even get started on combat speed, because Sentry lacks any feats supporting him being faster than Namor.

Sentry hasn't shown many powers besides in the physical area. Assuming he was holding back especially when it wasn't stated is completely speculation.

When did dropping a weapon on your opponent become a diversion? Many characters have dropped cars, buses, tanks, etc on their opponent mid battle, whats the problem with Ultron doing so?

You act as if she was forced to run away. She bloodied him and tthen commenced to drop the Heli-Carrier on his head. The Heli-Carrier he was unable to stop without aid from his team.

I can see you haven't heard of hyperbole.

No powers except strength? Check Fox's post. Additionally, he used nothing but physical force against Ultron. Proof that he was holding back.

Ultron used the Helicarrier to distract Sentry from fighting her. Textbook example of a diversion.

Are you suggesting that stopping an 80,000 ton that is falling to the ground isn't a high end feat? I'm no physics junkie, but slowing something that heavy in free fall would take an amazing level of strength.

Also, as tkina pointed out, Ultron seems to be impervious to physical damage. Though we know little about her, we know she is incredibly strong, since she bloodied Sentry. We know Sentry is no slack in the endurance department: withstanding nuclear bombs, intense heat of the sun, and not even budging when the Hulk threw a train at him.

Yes, this new Ultron is uber indeed. To imply that the Sentry going toe-to-toe with her is a low end feat is invalid, to say the least.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
I can see you haven't heard of hyperbole.

No powers except strength? Check Fox's post. Additionally, he used nothing but physical force against Ultron. Proof that he was holding back.

Ultron used the Helicarrier to distract Sentry from fighting her. Textbook example of a diversion.

Are you suggesting that stopping an 80,000 ton that is falling to the ground isn't a high end feat? I'm no physics junkie, but slowing something that heavy in free fall would take an amazing level of strength.

Also, as tkina pointed out, Ultron seems to be impervious to physical damage. Though we know little about her, we know she is incredibly strong, since she bloodied Sentry. We know Sentry is no slack in the endurance department: withstanding nuclear bombs, intense heat of the sun, and not even budging when the Hulk threw a train at him.

Yes, this new Ultron is uber indeed. To imply that the Sentry going toe-to-toe with her is a low end feat is invalid, to say the least.

I'll use this post to address you and Grey Fox post as a whole.

So by your logic, Reed Richards, undoubtedly the most intelligent man in the Ultimate Marvel U was lying about a machine he made? You don't think the writer, you know to meant for Reed to know what he was talking about?

Sentry does engage in h2h combat in most of his fights. He may have a few other powers, but like Superman, Sentry just normally fights h2h. It's his character.

Ok, I'll concede to that point as it isn't worth debating about.

Yes, compared to the pinnacle of strength feats, and the hype we've received about Sentry, he should have had little trouble stopping the Carrier from falling.

I'll withhold further judgement until I see more from her.

Originally posted by His Airness
I'll use this post to address you and Grey Fox post as a whole.

So by your logic, Reed Richards, undoubtedly the most intelligent man in the Ultimate Marvel U was lying about a machine he made? You don't think the writer, you know to meant for Reed to know what he was talking about?

No , he was underestimating and ignorant of the power Namor had. Let's not forget the term 'strongest meta-human' is thrown around a HELL of a lot in the Ultimateverse.

Reeds defintion could mean Ben ? Or Thor ? But then Doctor Doom aparently pwns Thor strengthwise as well.

Thus the confusion begins.

Let's just leave it at Hyperbole people , it solves SO many problems.

Originally posted by His Airness
I'll use this post to address you and Grey Fox post as a whole.

So by your logic, Reed Richards, undoubtedly the most intelligent man in the Ultimate Marvel U was lying about a machine he made? You don't think the writer, you know to meant for Reed to know what he was talking about?

Sentry does engage in h2h combat in most of his fights. He may have a few other powers, but like Superman, Sentry just normally fights h2h. It's his character.

Ok, I'll concede to that point as it isn't worth debating about.

Yes, compared to the pinnacle of strength feats, and the hype we've received about Sentry, he should have had little trouble stopping the Carrier from falling.

I'll withhold further judgement until I see more from her.

I do not doubt that Reed thought it would have been able to hold some of the strongest meta-humans in his world. However, saying something and actually proving it are two different things. It's all speculation as to whether or not the machine would have been able to hold the likes of Thor, Hulk, etc., until we see some kind of proof.

Sentry routinely uses his other powers in fights. Super Adaptoid? Yes. Terrax? Yes. Xeniac? Yes. The Inhumans? Yes. Also keep in mind, we haven't seen Sentry go all-out very often. Fortunately, this is something we do not have to worry about in Vs. Forum fights, as the characters fight to the best of their ability.

What other "pinnacle of strength feats" and hype are you comparing the helicarrier feat to? Because it's pretty damn impressive to me.

This fight is really a non-fight anyway, seeing as how Ultimate Namor has next to no feats. He broke out of Reed's machine (which clearly hadn't yet been tested with another meta-human), and made a man of water. We don't know how strong he is, how fast he is--we can see he isn't all that durable, as he was getting pretty beat up when he was fighting the Fantastic Four. We don't know how his waterkinesis works--for all we know, Sentry could simply reverse the effects by drawing out whatever energy Namor uses to create them. He couldn't stand up to the holograms he was fighting, and he couldn't defeat the F4, having to rely on the threat to New York to end the fight. No doubt he's a badass, but he just doesn't have the feats to support wins against the Sentry.

Originally posted by grey fox
No , he was underestimating and ignorant of the power Namor had. Let's not forget the term 'strongest meta-human' is thrown around a HELL of a lot in the Ultimateverse.

Reeds defintion could mean Ben ? Or Thor ? But then Doctor Doom aparently pwns Thor strengthwise as well.

Thus the confusion begins.

Let's just leave it at Hyperbole people , it solves SO many problems.

Indeed. It's now supposed that Doom is the "strongest" being in the Ult. Universe. When terms such as these are thrown around, it's best to accept them as hyperbole.