Ultimate Namor vs. Sentry

Originally posted by grey fox
Ever hear of a Speedblitz ?

I've already stated, Sentry has Physics going against him. He was straining to hold something that (if held incorrectly) could tear itself in half. Compare it to Superman Returns wherin Supes tries to slow the plane by holding it's wing.

When their adamantium, yes.

Do I see Namor hefting an 80'000 ton Helicarrier, one shotting attuma , pwning Hulk ?

No

See above

Yes I have, something I've never seen Sentry do. Also no evidence saying Namor couldn't react to it.

He failed as accomplishing a feat Colossus has done before, period.

Most aren't harmed from simply holding sharp objects.

Faulty logic, and when did Sentry fight Hulk. I know the Void did, but Sentry?

Sentry beats Namor into the dirt. I like Ultimate Namor, but Sentry is league's above him.

Originally posted by His Airness
Yes I have, something I've never seen Sentry do. Also no evidence saying Namor couldn't react to it.

He failed as accomplishing a feat Colossus has done before, period.

Most aren't harmed from simply holding sharp objects.

Faulty logic, and when did Sentry fight Hulk. I know the Void did, but Sentry?

colossus has stopped the SHIELD carrier from a freefall? did you see the size of that thing? people thought it was impressive that hercules dragged manhattan, but when sentry briefly stops a comparably sized object in a free fall, COLOSSUS could have done it?

sentry was gripping wolverine's claws. you know, the adamantium ones.

sentry is the void. how is that faulty logic?

I know this isnt on the level and I have no proof, but I have been hearing that Sentry is going to let loose on Ultorn next issue. I guess we'll have to wait and see and if not,,,,,I need better sources.

Originally posted by manorastroman
colossus has stopped the SHIELD carrier from a freefall? did you see the size of that thing? people thought it was impressive that hercules dragged manhattan, but when sentry briefly stops a comparably sized object in a free fall, COLOSSUS could have done it?

sentry was gripping wolverine's claws. you know, the adamantium ones.

sentry is the void. how is that faulty logic?

Yes he could, he's done so.

The Heli-Carrier was know where near the size of Manhattan, and Hercules was actually able to drag the object in his feat. All Sentry did was slow it done long enough to get bailed out by Wonder Man and Ms. Marvel.

Colossus has already done so.

Not only were they crashing, but Colossus had to work against the thrusters.

Yes I do, and I also know that I can grip a knife without injuring myself. With Sentry's durability he shouldn't have any problem holding inanimate objects.

In the same sentence your implying that Sentry can be killed by being thrown in the Sun. So much for that uber durability.

Originally posted by His Airness
Yes I have, something I've never seen Sentry do. Also no evidence saying Namor couldn't react to it.

He failed as accomplishing a feat Colossus has done before, period.

Most aren't harmed from simply holding sharp objects.

Faulty logic, and when did Sentry fight Hulk. I know the Void did, but Sentry?

Sentry has shown he can move at speeds near light or faster than light. Fact. Namor has not shown, however, that he can react to speeds of that level. Fact. You're trying to argue whether Namor would be able to react, though we have seen Namor caught by attacks far slower, and yet you say there's no proof that Namor couldn't react. The burden of proof is on you. And in this case, you have no proof that would suggest Namor could react to that kind of attack.

EDIT (for the Colossus feat): First of all, that isn't a helicarrier. Secondly, it's nowhere near the size of the one Sentry held up. Additionally, Colossus is on the ground. He's working with leverage. And what are you talking about working against the thrusters? The thrusters are helping him. He's trying to keep it from crashing, not flying into the sky. The feats are nowhere near comparable.

I'll leave the adamantium alone, as I'm far from an expert on it.

Void snapped all the bones in the Hulk's body (Keep in mind, Void = Sentry). Beyond that, Sentry withstood the full force of a train, thrown by the Hulk, without budging.

http://i84.imagethrust.com/images/4b1m/view-image/s-1.html

It isn't truly a fight, because Sentry has the ability to calm the Hulk down (which is what he does).

I still haven't seen proof that would suggest Ultimate Namor is in Sentry's league.

Originally posted by His Airness
Yes he could, he's done so.

The Heli-Carrier was know where near the size of Manhattan, and Hercules was actually able to drag the object in his feat. All Sentry did was slow it done long enough to get bailed out by Wonder Man and Ms. Marvel.

Colossus has already done so.

Not only were they crashing, but Colossus had to work against the thrusters.

Yes I do, and I also know that I can grip a knife without injuring myself. With Sentry's durability he shouldn't have any problem holding inanimate objects.

In the same sentence your implying that Sentry can be killed by being thrown in the Sun. So much for that uber durability.

as HS6 said, that's not the helicarrier, nor are they near comparable in size. the thrusters are working with him, not against him, and he had the ground as leverage. 👇

he wasn't holding an inanimate object, he was gripping the claws of a struggling wolverine. 👇

the void wasn't killed by being thrown into the sun; it was a symbolic psychological victory. did you even read that issue? 👇

Originally posted by H. S. 6
Sentry has shown he can move at speeds near light or faster than light. Fact. Namor has not shown, however, that he can react to speeds of that level. Fact. You're trying to argue whether Namor would be able to react, though we have seen Namor caught by attacks far slower, and yet you say there's no proof that Namor couldn't react. The burden of proof is on you. And in this case, you have no proof that would suggest Namor could react to that kind of attack.

EDIT (for the Colossus feat): First of all, that isn't a helicarrier. Secondly, it's nowhere near the size of the one Sentry held up. Additionally, Colossus is on the ground. He's working with leverage. And what are you talking about working against the thrusters? The thrusters are helping him. He's trying to keep it from crashing, not flying into the sky. The feats are nowhere near comparable.

I'll leave the adamantium alone, as I'm far from an expert on it.

Void snapped all the bones in the Hulk's body (Keep in mind, Void = Sentry). Beyond that, Sentry withstood the full force of a train, thrown by the Hulk, without budging.

http://i84.imagethrust.com/images/4b1m/view-image/s-1.html

It isn't truly a fight, because Sentry has the ability to calm the Hulk down (which is what he does).

I still haven't seen proof that would suggest Ultimate Namor is in Sentry's league.

Um, encase you haven't noticed, not only have we see Sentry be attacked by "slow" people, but we have yet to see any impressive combat speed feats. yes his travel speed is impressive, however travel speed in no way translates to combat speed. Before you yell speedblitz, speedbliztes require exceedingly impressive reflexes, or combat speed. The was Sentry generally fights, there should be no reason why Namor couldn't react to his speed.

Relative size.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/New%20Avengers%20Feats/Sentryship4.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/4569kq-1.jpg

While I do believe the Heli-Carrier was slightly bigger, it was a major difference. Also, I thought flying made strength feats easier?

Did you read that issue?

Agreed.

I thought so.

I still have a question about Sentry's durability, if Sentry = Void. Wouldn't the sun be enough to kill Sentry of the above were true?

i prefer the view from two pages earlier, where the helicarrier is more clearly shown (though still not in its entirety). oh, and:

Originally posted by manorastroman
as HS6 said, that's not the helicarrier, nor are they near comparable in size. the thrusters are working with him, not against him, and he had the ground as leverage. 👇

he wasn't holding an inanimate object, he was gripping the claws of a struggling wolverine. 👇

the void wasn't killed by being thrown into the sun; it was a symbolic psychological victory. did you even read that issue? 👇

No I didn't read the Sentry mini. It wasn't very good, instead I started heavily reading Superman.

anyways.

"While I do believe the Heli-Carrier was slightly bigger, it was a major difference. Also, I thought flying made strength feats easier?

Did you read that issue?"

Originally posted by His Airness
instead I started heavily reading Superman.

And I started heavily reading Thor. 🙂

Wierd, huh?

Originally posted by Skeets
Wrong!
Quasar has done so years before Sentry was even thought of.

🙁

Originally posted by batdude123
And I started heavily reading Thor. 🙂

weird, huh?

Really?

That is weird. 🙂

Originally posted by His Airness
Really?

That is weird. 🙂

We're both reading the enemy's books. ermm

Originally posted by batdude123
We're both reading the enemy's books. ermm

What are you talking about, I've always loved Superman? 😇

Originally posted by His Airness
What are you talking about, I've always loved Superman? 😇

And I still dislike Thor. 313

Originally posted by batdude123
And I still dislike Thor. 313

I'd hate Thor as well if he'd own my favorite character. Good thing I'm a Thor fan. 🙂

Originally posted by His Airness
Um, encase you haven't noticed, not only have we see Sentry be attacked by "slow" people, but we have yet to see any impressive combat speed feats. yes his travel speed is impressive, however travel speed in no way translates to combat speed. Before you yell speedblitz, speedbliztes require exceedingly impressive reflexes, or combat speed. The was Sentry generally fights, there should be no reason why Namor couldn't react to his speed.

Relative size.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/New%20Avengers%20Feats/Sentryship4.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/4569kq-1.jpg

While I do believe the Heli-Carrier was slightly bigger, it was a major difference. Also, I thought flying made strength feats easier?

Did you read that issue?

Agreed.

I thought so.

I still have a question about Sentry's durability, if Sentry = Void. Wouldn't the sun be enough to kill Sentry of the above were true?

A speedblitz would literally be Sentry hauling ass towards Namor, and flying into him at unbelievable speeds. This wouldn't require any incredibly reflexes, at least beyond what we've seen Sentry handle.

The helicarrier Sentry held was far, far bigger than that craft above Colossus. That much is clear. And the flying aspect is debatable, though I'd have to say no. When Sentry has no momentum, it's purely his muscles holding the craft up. In contrast, Colossus was able to brace himself and support the craft using his legs, arms, and the assistance of the thrusters (which make this feat void).

Yes, I've read the issue where he "fought" Wolverine. The only comic I've read with the Sentry and the Hulk is the one where the Sentry soothes the Hulk before he attacks.

Literally, Sentry obviously doesn't equal the Void (as he'd be dead right now as well 😛). However, what they're capable of is the same, since they are parts of the same person. The fight between Sentry and the Void can be interpreted in a number of ways. The obvious being, Sentry was able to separate his dark alter-ego from his body and throw him into the sun. In the Void's weakened state, he is not able to escape from the sun. (He hasn't been killed, as the Sentry sees him in the New Avenger's Collective arc.)

So, short answer: would the Sentry die if he were thrown into the sun? No.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
A speedblitz would literally be Sentry hauling ass towards Namor, and flying into him at unbelievable speeds. This wouldn't require any incredibly reflexes, at least beyond what we've seen Sentry handle.

The helicarrier Sentry held was far, far bigger than that craft above Colossus. That much is clear. And the flying aspect is debatable, though I'd have to say no. When Sentry has no momentum, it's purely his muscles holding the craft up. In contrast, Colossus was able to brace himself and support the craft using his legs, arms, and the assistance of the thrusters (which make this feat void).

Yes, I've read the issue where he "fought" Wolverine. The only comic I've read with the Sentry and the Hulk is the one where the Sentry soothes the Hulk before he attacks.

Literally, Sentry obviously doesn't equal the Void (as he'd be dead right now as well 😛). However, what they're capable of is the same, since they are parts of the same person. The fight between Sentry and the Void can be interpreted in a number of ways. The obvious being, Sentry was able to separate his dark alter-ego from his body and throw him into the sun. In the Void's weakened state, he is not able to escape from the sun. (He hasn't been killed, as the Sentry sees him in the New Avenger's Collective arc.)

So, short answer: would the Sentry die if he were thrown into the sun? No.

A speedblitz actually throw punches. If Sentry's combat speed can't match his travel speed than he will be unable to Blitz.

Meh, I though the sizes of the ships were comparable.

I've heard some arguments around the forum claiming flying makes the feats easier, I'm not sure, I'll leave it alone.

I was talking about the Secret wars issue in which the Colossus feat took place.

Ok.

Originally posted by His Airness
A speedblitz actually throw punches. If Sentry's combat speed can't match his travel speed than he will be unable to Blitz.

Meh, I though the sizes of the ships were comparable.

I've heard some arguments around the forum claiming flying makes the feats easier, I'm not sure, I'll leave it alone.

I was talking about the Secret wars issue in which the Colossus feat took place.

Ok.

A speedblitz doesn't have to be punches thrown. A "speedblitz" isn't some sort of official or scientific term. It means an attack that occurs before the other person can react. If say, I was very fast, and my brother was very slow. If I could lunge and tackle him before he could react to defend himself, I would have "speedblitzed" him, no punches involved.

The ships are nowhere near comparable. Check these two panels:

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q276/Acolyte_01/HELI1.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/4569kq-1.jpg

That's simply no contest.

Yes, I've read the entire Secret Wars series.