Ares (Marvel) vs Wolverine

Originally posted by Alfheim
If you can list class 100ers in Marvel who are not bulletproof then maybe i'll change my mind.

See my statement above.

My point was he has taken shots from She Hulk, therefore Ares is taken bullets.

I think you posted that in the underestimated characters thread. Apparently Rhino has been hurt by an old lady weilding a broom.

Yeah I will because everybody who has superhuman strength has superhuman durability. The question is at what strength level to they become bulletproof.

That because their power is specifically to do with durability. Super durability doesnt always equal superhumans strength but superhuman strength does always equal superhuman durability.

I know that and at class 10 I dont have a problem with that. Now are you telling me that a 38 caliber bullet strikes with more force than a punch from somebody who can lift 100, 000s of tons? The damage mybe different but at some point blunt force trauma will be more powerful than damage from sharp object.

He class 10

No it doesnt you have given me people in the class 10 strength range. Hell thunderball has been knocked out by one punch from Cap and im supposezd to eb suprised their not bulletproof.

Bro you cant bring myth into this. The world of Greek mythology is different from marvel. If I wanted to use Norse mythology Thor would be as powerful as Odin.

Well i think somebody should start being bulletproof around 50 tons defintely class 100

Again Cage is the exception to the rule. Extra durability is an added power, anybody else of equivalent strength would be killed by bullets thats why its says on his bio his punches hurt harder than people who have the same strength level because he is the exception to the rule.

I had addressed everyone of your statements one by one but when I hit send my connection timed out! 😠

Bottom line is Wrecking Crew are bullet proof, even at class 10, Thor is a class 100, there is a scan of him taking a bullet. its comics, when was it ever made to make sense?

Ares in Marvel is the Ares of myth and is stated as such just recently in Mighty Avengers.

He was wounded by a Spear in the Trojan war, he states in Mighty Avengers #1 that he was at Troy.

This is comics, putting rules and logic to it doesn't apply, saying anyone under class 50 isn't bullet proof and any over is and anything that deviates from that is an exception to the rule when there are no "rules" in place just seems a very simple argument with a lot of holes in it.

I have no problem with Ares getting shot and the bullets penetrating his skin, it fits in with the character hes based on from myth, still doesn't mean Logan is beating him on this forum though, which was my main point all along before we got knocked off course.

Ares is the God of War the bio has Godlike stamina and metahuman durability he is few people who is as good or better then Wolverine. Ares is also more experienced then Wolverine. Ares 125/10 against Wolverine

Just re read your cap knocking out Thunderball so not being surprised hes not bullet proof.

1. he is bullet proof to .45 and below

2. he got knocked out by cap but has taken shots from Sasquatch, Thor, etc etc.

3. Didn't you post an entire thread about how hard Cap hits?

4. Dare I say that its a low showing for Thunderball with more than a hint of PIS?

hasn't Cap also take out Rhino? who is class 80 and most definetly bullet proof?

See what I mean about comics and rules?

The Wrecking Crew is bullet proof clearly shown in Omega Flight, where Piledriver takes a shot gun blast point blank to his stomach and didn't even leave a mark. Then in Omega Flight #2 a police officer unloads a clip on the Crew and the bullets are just bouncing off of them.

Piledriver has indeed took a hit from Thor and literally laughed at him for his troubles.

Originally posted by Hercules
I had addressed everyone of your statements one by one but when I hit send my connection timed out! 😠

That sux.

Originally posted by Hercules

Bottom line is Wrecking Crew are bullet proof, even at class 10, Thor is a class 100, there is a scan of him taking a bullet. its comics, when was it ever made to make sense?

Well ok but I bet if we listed out class 10ers most of them would not be bulletproof. I got no problem with Thor taking a bullet. Yeah I know it doesnt always have to make sense but their is SOME logic.

Originally posted by Hercules

Ares in Marvel is the Ares of myth and is stated as such just recently in Mighty Avengers.

He was wounded by a Spear in the Trojan war, he states in Mighty Avengers #1 that he was at Troy.

I bet if we went to the Greek myths there would be alot of inconsistencies between the marvel myth and Ares.

I think Thor is supposed to be the Thor of myth and hes very different from the Thor of myth.

Originally posted by Hercules

This is comics, putting rules and logic to it doesn't apply, saying anyone under class 50 isn't bullet proof and any over is and anything that deviates from that is an exception to the rule when there are no "rules" in place just seems a very simple argument with a lot of holes in it.

No there are rules. Can you tell me any people who can lift 100tons and can get hurt by bullets in MARVEL? Arent most people in the class 10 range NOT bulletproof? Im not sure about in between but I think alot of class 80ers are bulletproof as well.

Originally posted by Hercules

I have no problem with Ares getting shot and the bullets penetrating his skin, it fits in with the character hes based on from myth,

The spear was thrown by a demigod and guided by Athena...c'mon man, be fair.

Furthermore I know damage done by bullets and knives are different than blunt force trauma. Edged attacks do more damge on a specfic point because its concentrated, but theres no way a 38 caliber bullet is doing more damage than a punch from somebody who lift 100,000s of tons.

Ok it doesnt always have to make sense but I look for real world logic first but if the comics contradict that then I'll agree. As it stand I still think Ares has no place getting shot by bullets and just like the example of Thor getting shot in the head and bleeding....it shouldnt happen.

Originally posted by Hercules
Just re read your cap knocking out Thunderball so not being surprised hes not bullet proof.

1. he is bullet proof to .45 and below

Ok well hes more durable than most class 10ers

Originally posted by Hercules

2. he got knocked out by cap but has taken shots from Sasquatch, Thor, etc etc.

Ok.

Originally posted by Hercules

3. Didn't you post an entire thread about how hard Cap hits?

Yeah but Cap wanst even trying.

Originally posted by Hercules

4. Dare I say that its a low showing for Thunderball with more than a hint of PIS?

In all fairness since Thunderball has taken shots from Thor, Cap Koing Thunderball like that was a bit much.....then again if you look at Caps earlier showings. If thunderbaall had the durability of most class 10ers then I would not have a problem

Originally posted by Hercules

hasn't Cap also take out Rhino? who is class 80 and most definetly bullet proof?

Yes but to me thats an established rules that cap and other MA experts can do that because he and other MAs have been doing it over and over again. People with class 10 strength are not normally bulletproof, most people around 85 -100 are. I think even class 50ers are bulletproof.

Originally posted by Hercules
See what I mean about comics and rules?

Well yeah but I disagree for the reasons given.

Originally posted by King KAM
you would show the best wolverine bullet feat ever..... 😬

Oh for ****'s sake that's not even close to the best bullet absorbing feat the midget's got.

Look at wolverine 1: He takes out 100 people who are stabbing and shooting him, and they don't even successfully slow him down even.

Hama's first Wolverine issue had Logan shot by an uzi weilding gang, stabbed by swordweilding psychos and blastered by a grenade, and Logan took it all.

Wolverine 47, he just stands there trying to talk a youngster down while being shot, even in the head.

Wolverine 125, Viper tries to use guns against Logan after logan's been SEVERLY weakened, beaten, and even absorbed by rogue.... they don't work... AT ALL.

MCP 42, He again stands calmy in the face of fire without much response.

Wolverine "still the best there is "toryline has a bone clawed wolverine riddled with bullets as he stands atop a motorcycle and he doesn't even budge from the hits.

Pretty much ANY version of his stay at weapon x shows him taking on all 60 armed guards shrugging off automatic weapons fire like splinters.

Or the time that punisher shot his face off and just continued to kick punisher around...

Hell even in the best there is storyline
we've got this:

"and you can't hurt this guy either.. We've shot him stabbed him, torched him, you name it, he just laughs it off."

so don't even PRETEND that that's his best feat against bullets... hell these were just examples off the top of my head.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Capt who in your opinion can beat Wolverine for the majority? Give me a list.

hell the list would be far to long to make

here a preview.

Spiderman could depending on scenerio
hulk
thor
superman
venom
carnage
cyber
omega red
gorgon
ice man
human torch
invisable woman
mister fantastic

plus many many more, but I don't feel like typing them all it take forever.

By the way..........who ever said ares was far mroe skilled then logans rogues...............in completely incorrect.

His rouges are extremely skilled most of them would pwn the shit out of ares in skill.

they couldnt have done all those things it said....how do you torch a man and his clothes arent burned at all....?

Originally posted by capt it up
By the way..........who ever said ares was far mroe skilled then logans rogues...............in completely incorrect.

His rouges are extremely skilled most of them would pwn the shit out of ares in skill.

Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine 125, Viper tries to use guns against Logan after logan's been SEVERLY weakened, beaten, and even absorbed by rogue.... they don't work... AT ALL.

Originally posted by King KAM
they couldnt have done all those things it said....how do you torch a man and his clothes arent burned at all....?

good question, same clothing manufacturer that made the indestructible pants during the Venom Nuke attack?.. but they did torch him.. seeing as that's practically how the brawl started.. 😬

Originally posted by King KAM
and there is proof of this because???

nothing

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Originally posted by capt it up
pleasde what has ares doen that puts him even close to wolverines skill level?

He was a construction worker before he was hired by Iron Man.

Originally posted by jasonk3
He was a construction worker before he was hired by Iron Man.

Originally posted by capt it up
ya and.............

its hard work...

Originally posted by jasonk3
its hard work...

Originally posted by jasonk3
its hard work...

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