Akuma vs Geese Howard

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

I concede the point about the block animation, but he can still use psycho energy as a counter-defense

are you using the feat from sf 2 the animated movie 😕 cause he only did it in that anime. besides i like to see him blok a Misogi or a Kongoukunkoratsuzan

He has more powers than Gouki by far and has unlimited enrgy which would result in him out-lasting Gouki. How can Gouki mount a defense against unlimited Psycho Canons and Psycho Drive Shots?

Bison at his full power LOST!! Shin Akuma NEVER had to use his full power, NEVER!!

Gouki has shown to be have more destructive powers then Bison

Infinite City busting>>>>Limited Lands mass destroying attacks

you think Gouki CAN'T destroy city's?

And Bison can't resurect after he is shun goku satsu'd!!

BS aside, Gouki has to deal with infinite Ciuty Busting Shots, Infinite Psycho Canons, and Bison can ressurect himself from almost anything.

Originally posted by shin_remy
are you using the feat from sf 2 the animated movie 😕 cause he only did it in that anime. besides i like to see him blok a Misogi or a Kongoukunkoratsuzan

I never implied that he would block every attack using Psycho Energy. The Fact is Bison has the power to emitt energy which he can use to mount a defense.

Originally posted by shin_remy

Bison at his full power LOST!! Shin Akuma NEVER had to use his full power, NEVER!!

Because of shit writing, Bison being droven back by a Shoryuken from Ryu is dumb.

Originally posted by shin_remy

Gouki has shown to be have more destructive powers then Bison

Originally posted by shin_remy

you think Gouki CAN'T destroy city's?

I said infinite City Destroying Abilities.

Originally posted by shin_remy

And Bison can't resurect after he is shun goku satsu'd!!

Originally posted by shin_remy

Yeah right!! and he is pulled back by Ryu, Ken Sakura and Sagat. WOW so much did his unlimited powers help. why didn't he used his unlimited attacks then?

Because the writers dicked him.

Wow, remy thinks he has what it takes to argue against the mighty Emperor Asstard?

jk 😛

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
It's from her canon profile in tiamats site, and my point was Ryu not demonstrating a manuveur doesn't mean he cannot do it. There's nothing stopping Ryu from performing an aerial hadou.

Another reliance on Tiamat....... why am I not surprised...

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
One of her win poses, she uses a gaint playing card to conceal herself than vanishes.

Nope, she doesn't teleoprt, but she does change costumes behind the card.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I concede the point about the block animation, but he can still use psycho energy as a counter-defense

Proof?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
He has more powers than Gouki by far and has unlimited enrgy which would result in him out-lasting Gouki. How can Gouki mount a defense against unlimited Psycho Canons and Psycho Drive Shots?

By using his own defence? If this guy can perform higher than city busting attacks, then he can defend againstthem as well, it'll take a whileto batter through that kind of defence.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
And, your being to pedantic over gameplay. There's nothing far fetched about Ryu performing an aerial Hadou. Maybe not the same way as gouki, But he should be able to perform it generally. If we argue something that's clearly a game restriction than Ryu cannot shoot his Hadou upwards because he did ot do it in a game.

I'm asking for som,ething more definitive than simply lumping together every posability and saying he CAN do it, like Isaid, under that mentality....

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I never said it wasn't, you missed the point. Infinite City busting>>>>Limited Lands mass destroying attacks

Not really, a landmass changing attack can conceivably destroy multiple cities, not to mention that Bison is still limited to ONE attack at a time. the satelie can only fire a single beam every 5 to 10 seconds

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I'm talking about alpha not EX, and Bison not using his psycho drive in Alpha 3 was CIS.

BS aside, Gouki has to deal with infinite Ciuty Busting Shots, Infinite Psycho Canons, and Bison can ressurect himself from almost anything.

Bison takes this.

All Gouki has to do, is quickly overrun Bison in the onset, Gouki's initial, starting powerlevel still outstrips Bison. Sure Gouki doesn't haveit indefinitely like Bison does, but that does little good when he's SGSed in 10 seconds flat. That by the way is just about at the level when the first Satelite Canon will be firing.

10 seconds... thats all it takes for Gouki to knock over Bison and set up the SGS.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Nope, she doesn't teleoprt, but she does change costumes behind the card.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Proof?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

By using his own defence? If this guy can perform higher than city busting attacks, then he can defend againstthem as well, it'll take a whileto batter through that kind of defence.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

I'm asking for som,ething more definitive than simply lumping together every posability and saying he CAN do it, like Isaid, under that mentality....

Defintive, you mean like common sense?
Your telling me that just because he doesn't perform it in a canon game, he cannot do it at all?

It's not beyond his ability here.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Not really, a landmass changing attack can conceivably destroy multiple cities, not to mention that Bison is still limited to ONE attack at a time. the satelie can only fire a single beam every 5 to 10 seconds

15 seconds plus 1 second Psycho Canonsuper art.
Also, your being unfair darko, so gouki can destroy cities despite never showing, but Ryu cannot perform an aerial fireball?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

All Gouki has to do, is quickly overrun Bison in the onset, Gouki's initial, starting powerlevel still outstrips Bison.

No, it doesn't, his abilities do not out weigh bisons.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Sure Gouki doesn't haveit indefinitely like Bison does, but that does little good when he's SGSed in 10 seconds flat. That by the way is just about at the level when the first Satelite Canon

argue

Akuma beats Superman, Jedah, Pyron, Galactus, Geese, and The Living Tribunal with his arms chopped off and with Earth chained to his leg.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Yeah, She does.

No, she doesn't... All she does is change costumes behind the card, I don't have the GIF animation, butshe doesn't dissapear once the card goes, so where's the teleportation?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
You want me to prove that bison can emit psycho energy and counter attack with it?

Unless you want to bring in non-canon material to cover this, Nowhere has Bison done this.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Forever, he can't defend against unlimited Psycho Canon shots. And, he doesn't vape cities darko, he can possibly destroy the ground beneath them. Show me Gouki surviving a City vaping blast.

Try the fight with Gill, that battle was full of em

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Defintive, you mean like common sense?
Your telling me that just because he doesn't perform it in a canon game, he cannot do it at all?

It's not beyond his ability here.

Thats right, if he doesn't do it canonically, then why should weallow it here? AND we have to give an equal number of non-canon capabilities to akuma then, that lets in a whole mess of stuff that is simply well beyond Bison...

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
15 seconds plus 1 second Psycho Canonsuper art.
Also, your being unfair darko, so gouki can destroy cities despite never showing, but Ryu cannot perform an aerial fireball?

For the Psycho Canon to be effective against Akuma requires Charge time, that includesall of Shin bisons variants of it too, otherwise Akumagets3 free hits every time Bison fires one due to the Messatsu Gou Hadou plowing through it. Gouki has more destructive feats, Meteor, Gokentou, Ulru...

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
No, it doesn't, his abilities do not out weigh bisons.

Sure they do, Higher levels of destruction, greater physical abilities, more energy control, speed, experience, reflexes, skill. The only thing that Bison has on his side, is unlimited Stamina and Energy, it's not enough consideringeven at his Drive enhanced peak, Gouki still displays more power and capability. Bison has to outlast Gouki's limited energy reserves, thats the only way to win.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Should I accuse you of bias now, So, Bison will stand there smiling as Gouki performs a SGS?

You put words in my mouth... did I say Bison bends over and takes it? No.

But Akuma is GEARED towards quickly overwhelming opponents, thats the way he fights, he fights quickly, and powerfully. He doesn't stand there glaoting about how he just punched you in the nose, or revealing his plans to his opponent like your typical badguy, Gouki crushes his opponents quickly and definitively.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
No, she doesn't... All she does is change costumes behind the card, I don't have the GIF animation, butshe doesn't dissapear once the card goes, so where's the teleportation?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Unless you want to bring in non-canon material to cover this, Nowhere has Bison done this.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Try the fight with Gill, that battle was full of em

What fight with Gill, when did Gouki fight Gill?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Thats right, if he doesn't do it canonically, then why should weallow it here? AND we have to give an equal number of non-canon capabilities to akuma then, that lets in a whole mess of stuff that is simply well beyond Bison...

Gouki's non-canon abilities are well beyond the reach of his canon, and I allowed the use of Murder Wave. Honestly, are you arguing that an aerial hadouken is not possible soley because it's not canon. Does this stem form the fact that I don't want to use gouki's ridiculous Fighting Jam feat?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

For the Psycho Canon to be effective against Akuma requires Charge time, that includesall of Shin bisons variants of it too, otherwise Akumagets3 free hits every time Bison fires one due to the Messatsu Gou Hadou plowing through it. Gouki has more destructive feats, Meteor, Gokentou, Ulru...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Sure they do, Higher levels of destruction, greater physical abilities, more energy control, speed, experience, reflexes, skill. The only thing that Bison has on his side, is unlimited Stamina and Energy, it's not enough consideringeven at his Drive enhanced peak, Gouki still displays more power and capability. Bison has to outlast Gouki's limited energy reserves, thats the only way to win.

And:

-Flight
-Better Prep
-Better Resources
-Psychic abilities
-Better enrgy manipulation
-Teleportation
-Mind Control
-Body Snatching

The only thing Gouki has is more raw power, Bison is way more versatile.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

You put words in my mouth... did I say Bison bends over and takes it? No.

You seem to be implying it.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

But Akuma is GEARED towards quickly overwhelming opponents, thats the way he fights, he fights quickly, and powerfully. He doesn't stand there glaoting about how he just punched you in the nose, or revealing his plans to his opponent like your typical badguy, Gouki crushes his opponents quickly and definitively.

So, what, Bison still has an unsurmountable advantage, The chance Gouki has is SGS. Are you implying he'll win all his matches on one hit?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
She disappears as well Darko.

No she doesn't, she's standing there wearing a huge dress,holding 3 TarrotCards,including one bitween her ****...

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
He does it in Alpha 3 all the time, espcially with the his S.Fierce, C.Fierce, and Jumping Fierce.

Wrong, those are attacks, not blocking or countermoves... the only counters he ever had where the Teleport and palm strike Alpha Counters.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
What fight with Gill, when did Gouki fight Gill?

The very same fight where Gill ressurected from the SGS

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Gouki's non-canon abilities are well beyond the reach of his canon, and I allowed the use of Murder Wave. Honestly, are you arguing that an aerial hadouken is not possible soley because it's canon. Does this stem form the fact that I don't want to use gouki's ridiculous Fighting Jam feat?

I don't particularly care about the Meteor thing, but if you want non-canon material, then you get it with the same thing going to Gouki,and youdon't get to pick both, thats how debating works. SVC's Heaven Earth Slice Destroyer is good, but it doesn't balance with what your doing

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
The pycho canon requires no charge time in alpha 3, he just flies back and performs it. Psycho Drive Charge time is unknown and your assumption about it is just that. Also note that Bison has knowledge of Ansatsuken since he has Ken & Ryu on file. Hell, he even know's about Gouki. He'll most likely use balrog as a guniea pig to gauge Gouki's ability.

Ah, your talking about the Psycho Drive Crusher... I thought you where reffering to his Psycho Cannon super from the EX games or his MVC2 Super Art since those are the only two games he'sever had the Cannon😛

It'sa shame that the Psycno Drive Crusheris blockable, and Gouki can teleport, or use any of the moves that grant him invulnerability to completely evade it, nottomention that itleaves Bison vulnerable after execution.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
And:

-Flight
-Better Prep
-Better Resources
-Psychic abilities
-Better enrgy manipulation
-Teleportation
-Mind Control
-Body Snatching

The only thing Gouki has is more raw power, Bison is way more versatile.

Gouki:
-Also has Flight/Levitation.
-Better Prep? Based on What?
-For a fight? Doubtful since Akuma is by far the better fighter.
-Which means precisely nothing, since Akuma is a very well diciplined fighter who seems tovisit hell regularly... Not a mind you want to visit.
-Nope, Akuma's higher energy level requires greater control without the aid of a machine.
-Akuma also teleports... Misogi and Tenma Shourettou prove this. not just his Ashura Senku.
-Takes time and requires extensive prep, plus itcan'tbe done in the heat of Combat.
-Same as above. it failed on Ryu.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
You seem to be implying it.

Then you have trouble understanding what I'm getting at

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
So, what, Bison still has an unsurmountable advantage, The chance Gouki has is SGS. Are you implying he'll win all his matches on one hit?

Unless it's a one hitkiller like the SGS, Misogi or Kongou Kokuretsu Zan, then no, I'm not... and if akuma's first attackis the SGS KKZ then it's a waste, but a Misogi will slice Bison in two, and unless his regeneration is like Gamma's from Ninja Scroll, or Cell's then I don't see him healing from being sliced in two either...

However, that aside, Akuma would probably rush in, Bison does the Psycho Drive Crusher, Akuma Blocks/Teleports. and as Bison reappears, Akuma SGS's. This is how it would go according to your battleplan for Bison... Doing the same moves over and over is poor strategy, Especially against a very powerful, skilled and experienced fighter like Akuma.

By the way, about the Drive, Do you think that Bison has to regenerateenergy for his supers? He wouldn't have an effectively Unlimited superbar, more like a regenerative bar that builds up on it's own. I was tinkering with the options on my Alpha anthologies and it has a Superbar Regeneration option that allows the bar to go from empty to full in about 3 to 5 seconds, as long as your standing still... Do you think thats how Bison's Drive works? just asking.

Akuma one shots Bison, Oro, Gill, Jedah, Apocalypse, and The Living Tribunal with his arms eaten by crows, his legs lacerated by Wolverine, and while having some serious constipation problems.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Akuma one shots Bison, Oro, Gill, Jedah, Apocalypse, and The Living Tribunal with his arms eaten by crows, his legs lacerated by Wolverine, and while having some serious constipation problems.

What the hell is that sh!t?

You and Xeno have some serious issues because you keep doing that despite the fact that only very few people have ever actually overrated Akuma, And nowhere near the level that you clowns have been carrying on with...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
What the hell is that sh!t?

You and Xeno have some serious issues because you keep doing that despite the fact that only very few people have ever actually overrated Akuma, And nowhere near the level that you clowns have been carrying on with...

You'll have to excuse me, I'm just becoming very irritated by that sort of stuff right when I'm in the middleof having a serious debate, Jokes are good and all that, but a joke that gets repeated 20 times in the space of 2 weeks looses it's funny appeal and becomes irritating.

Well don't know about anyone else but I think that's only the 2nd time I've done it. You have to admit tho some people do overrate him.

Some do, but the vast majority don't... Thats what irritates me most. Whenever I debate for Akuma, someone does exactly what you did, and it's not known who the jab is directed against. In this case, as the primary debater for Akuma, I can safely assume that the jab is directed at me... And that pisses me off.

Your newhere, so you can be forgiven for not knowing, but there are afew others who do this, assumingthat alot more people actually overrate Akuma, but i can count who actually does on one hand.

Alot of people don't realise, or simply refuse to accept that Akuma may actually be as powerful as some claims would lead you to beleive, I'm not saying he's undefeatable (Contrare actually, since he has been defeated in the actual story), but he is Street Fighters most powerful character.

What some people don't realise though is it'snot always the strongest warrior that wins the fight 😉

It's true he is the most powerful SF character, but didn't someone say once that he could one shot the Vigoor Emperor, Trance Kuja, and Vegnagun cause that's bullshit.

Remulous said that, and yes, that was perhaps the worst case of overratedness I've ever seen, I disagreed with Remu when he said that and told him so.

However, thats not an excuse to jab at legitimate and not overrating pro-Akuma debaters.

Dude don't worry I wasn't like I said I have no beef with Akuma or those that like him...That is a pretty messed up statement of overratedness tho. The only one worse is the guy who basically said that the only way a videogame villain can fairly fight Kratos is if hr had no arms or legs(it wasn't literal but he basically meant Kratos is of Galactus tier or sumthin).

why not using Non-Canon feats ?

His unlimited energy will not help him!!!