Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
And I suppose it hasn't crossed your mind that it's because Gouki CAN still beat him despite all that?
Gouki has never ever fought Bison in alpha and, nowhere does it state that he can beat him in that form.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You won't even consider that possability and then procceed to call Gouki overrated... thats nuts.
Because when a character witha WMD that can wipe out cities, Flight, Mind-Control, scorch and Numb body parts, Has the entire planet as a power source, Fire Projectiles, Teleport, Sheild Himself (Possible force field), Triplicate or more, Possibly survive a mini-nuke,Telekenesis, Ressurect from the dead and Possibly survive in the vacuum of space
Will somehow lose to Gouki, fanboyism comes into play.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Gouki has never ever fought Bison in alpha and, nowhere does it state that he can beat him in that form.Because when a character witha WMD that can wipe out cities, Flight, Mind-Control, scorch and Numb body parts, Has the entire planet as a power source, Fire Projectiles, Teleport, Sheild Himself (Possible force field), Triplicate or more, Possibly survive a mini-nuke,Telekenesis, Ressurect from the dead and Possibly survive in the vacuum of space
Will somehow lose to Gouki, fanboyism comes into play.
current Gouki can kill Sf Alpha 3 Bison
How will he resurrect when he gets a shun goku satsu from Gouki ??
That he can destroy city's doesn't mean anything, Gouki can destroy a comet third size of the world with a single punch ( it is uncanon but it's believed he can do that ) and without that feat he still has more raw power then Bison.
Gouki has more attacks, more feats, power.
Speed, i doubt that bison is faster!! Gouki can dodge bullets in Alpha
gouki simply has enough advantages over Bison, Besides Gouki NEVER HAD TO USE HIS FULL POWER IN SF!!! And Bison got beat ed when he were on his strongest!!
Originally posted by shin_remy
current Gouki can kill Sf Alpha 3 Bison
Originally posted by shin_remy
How will he resurrect when he gets a shun goku satsu from Gouki ??
Originally posted by shin_remy
( it is uncanon but it's believed he can do that ) and without that feat he still has more raw power then Bison.
Tell you what remy, I'll let you use Gouki's ocean spliting "Murder Wave" in SVC:Chaos if you never bring that comet feat ever again.
Originally posted by shin_remyGouki has more attacks, more feats, power.
Originally posted by shin_remy
Speed, i doubt that bison is faster!! Gouki can dodge bullets in Alpha
When has Gouki ever dodged bullets?
Also, Bison has Teleportation which is much faster than Super Speed.
Originally posted by shin_remy
gouki simply has enough advantages over Bison, Besides Gouki NEVER HAD TO USE HIS FULL POWER IN SF!!! And Bison got beat ed when he were on his strongest!!
This is why I like EX, because Gouki' die's and Bison actually shines.
Bison was never at full power either, people. Their is no proof that either Oro, Gouki, Gill, and Bison have the ups on each other...
1. Bison can destroy a city with one attack.
2. Gouki can split the Earths' Belly Button in 4 ways with one hand and still not be at full power.
3. Gill can split seas, skies, raise mountains, and turn people and mountains red and blue with the wave of one hand. Not to mention he did all these feats at the same time with on movement of his arm.
4. Oro beat up Ryu with on hand tied behind his back and fought regular Gouki with a hand behind his back.
What feat is really better then the other? They all seem equal to me.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Gouki has never ever fought Bison in alpha and, nowhere does it state that he can beat him in that form.
Really?... Tell me, does it say anywhere officially that Gouki CAN'T beat him?.... Yeah, thought so, so basically it's left open to interpretation just like any other match.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Because when a character witha WMD that can wipe out cities, Flight, Mind-Control, scorch and Numb body parts, Has the entire planet as a power source, Fire Projectiles, Teleport, Sheild Himself (Possible force field), Triplicate or more, Possibly survive a mini-nuke,Telekenesis, Ressurect from the dead and Possibly survive in the vacuum of spaceWill somehow lose to Gouki, fanboyism comes into play.
Numb Body Parts? Forcefield? Triplicate? Right, you pulled all that from the Vs Series at the very least... if you want to take that road...
And as for your statement, Akuma posesses superior strength, superior destructive power, Levitation, Teleportation, Far superior speed, and the one attack that negates every one of Bisons defence and resuccitation capabilities.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I doubt it
Your oppinion.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Why do people act as if ShunGokuSatsu makes gouki god, sure he can pull of some wins with it. But, Bison (with prep) could end the match before it happens.
How? And it's not like Akuma has to wait to use it.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Tell you what remy, I'll let you use Gouki's ocean spliting "Murder Wave" in SVC:Chaos if you never bring that comet feat ever again.
This coming from a guy who's using SVC and Marvel Vs endings and techniques as proof....
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
More attacks? No. . .
More feats? True, but they only display that he has destructive power
More Power? Not in the slightest
Yes more attacks... Especially Super Arts.
more feats, yes, since Akuma demonstrates FAR more destructive power than any of Bisons top end feats easily.
More power... Err refer to the other two... I beleive they speak out clearly who has more power.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
When has Gouki ever dodged bullets?
Also, Bison has Teleportation which is much faster than Super Speed.
If Ryu can dodge bullets, and Gouki is faster and has better reactions, you tell me where the logic points.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
That was CIS, Capcom could never dick Gouki fans like that because he's a fan favorite. But, they dicked Final Bison just to make Ryu look cool.
Thats an oppinion, not fact. I happen to know alot of Bison fans who hated both that event, and the fact that Gouki owned him in a single move later on.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
This is why I like EX, because Gouki' die's and Bison actually shines.
Gouki never died, I havn't even heard of that before. and again, it sounds like you just enjoy shitting on Akuma, just like Sado.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Really?... Tell me, does it say anywhere officially that Gouki CAN'T beat him?.... Yeah, thought so, so basically it's left open to interpretation just like any other match.
That wasn't my point, you posted as if Gouki beating Bison happened.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Numb Body Parts? Forcefield? Triplicate? Right, you pulled all that from the Vs Series at the very least... if you want to take that road...
No, I didn't
-Bison can triplicate because Rose can and has so many times. Bison taught Rose "Soul Power". So, anything She can do he can do.
-Bison being able to burn is from a source book.
-And, Bison can sheild himself with psycho power just like he does in his block animation.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
And as for your statement, Akuma posesses superior strength, superior destructive power, Levitation, Teleportation, Far superior speed, and the one attack that negates every one of Bisons defence and resuccitation capabilities.
Versus this: Because when a character witha WMD that can wipe out cities, Flight, Mind-Control, scorch and Numb body parts, Has the entire planet as a power source, Fire Projectiles, Teleport, Sheild Himself (Possible force field), Triplicate or more, Possibly survive a mini-nuke,Telekenesis, Ressurect from the dead and Possibly survive in the vacuum of space
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroHow? And it's not like Akuma has to wait to use it.
Yeah, he does, because super's take a day to use remember.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroThis coming from a guy who's using SVC and Marvel Vs endings and techniques as proof....
Which why I'am allowing him to use SVC as well.
Also, I didn't use marvel that's your assumption.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Yes more attacks... Especially Super Arts.
more feats, yes, since Akuma demonstrates FAR more destructive power than any of Bisons top end feats easily.
More power... Err refer to the other two... I beleive they speak out clearly who has more power.
More attacks, sure. . .More Destructive power sure. . .
More power ❌
When Gouki has unlimited power and WMD, call me.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
If Ryu can dodge bullets, and Gouki is faster and has better reactions, you tell me where the logic points.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Thats an oppinion, not fact. I happen to know alot of Bison fans who hated both that event, and the fact that Gouki owned him in a single move later on.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Gouki never died, I havn't even heard of that before. and again, it sounds like you just enjoy shitting on Akuma, just like Sado.
Since, I can't confirm that i won't argue that.
I'm not shitting on Gouki, but him beating Final Bison is out of the question. We had a thread like this, If you want to continue this just bump it.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
That wasn't my point, you posted as if Gouki beating Bison happened.
No I didn't and never claimed to, here, let me point you to some quotes I made on the subject.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
IMO it's the balance of probabilities... Bison is indeed capableof defeating Akuma in Alpha 3, but Akuma is the ONLY one who posessed the capability of killing Bison without needing to destroy the Drive first, he already had the ultimate killing technique that disreguards immortality.I am firmly in the corner of Akuma though, his fighting capability far outshines Bison's by huge margins, although they posess a similar level of power, Akuma simply has tonnes more skill and loads more technique.
And here's one where I compare Bison's power ofRessurection with Gill's
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Gill's technique is a little different, it's an actual technique rather than a power being fed in by the Psycho Drive. In Bison's case, he isn't actually Immortal, because lets face it, he was going to die soon if he didn't get Ryu's body... Bison's power was exeeding his body's limits, this was exasperated further once he started gaining power through the Drive. the only thing the Psycho Drive does is bring in an unlimited supply of energy, and can regenerate Bison's wounds. This however is inconsequential to the SGS, since it takes the victim into hell, and depending on his or her level of sin, their soul can be trapped there for ever, Bison's body comes back soulless, and is therefore dead, since no matter how much the Drive can regenerate, it cannot regenerate a Soul entirely.Gill on the other hand, I beleive has some form of Divination, he is actually able to bring himself back from Death Itself. I don't know how he does it, or how his soul can escape from hell... Maybe because he is not evil enough to be trapped there permanently... I dunno, but Bison's soul id now just food for the likes of Darkstalkers and other Maki dwellers...
This proves I am not saying Gouki Curbstomps him, but he indeed is more than capable of defeating Shin Bison without having to destroy the Drive First
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
No, I didn't-Bison can triplicate because Rose can and has so many times. Bison taught Rose "Soul Power". So, anything She can do he can do.
-Bison being able to burn is from a source book.
-And, Bison can sheild himself with psycho power just like he does in his block animation.
-Assumption, since he has never EVER demonstrated this capability outside of the Marvel Vs series. Oh and Roses power has a few differentproperties to Bison's Psycho Power. rince Rose can't teleport or do the Psycho Crusher.
-Burning and Numbing are two different things, try reading what Ityped, I know Bison can burn, thats one of the major points to his power...
-No he doesn't... He raises his fists up to his face just like any other fighter, in fact, his block is only slightly moreloose than that of Dan...
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Versus this: Because when a character witha WMD that can wipe out cities, Flight, Mind-Control, scorch and Numb body parts, Has the entire planet as a power source, Fire Projectiles, Teleport, Sheild Himself (Possible force field), Triplicate or more, Possibly survive a mini-nuke,Telekenesis, Ressurect from the dead and Possibly survive in the vacuum of space
Is that a statement or a question? because you've already said this... What context are you reinterating?
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Yeah, he does, because super's take a day to use remember.
BZZZT! Wrong!, Gill uses his superand it doesn't regenerate for the rest of the match thats an entirely separate argument, Akuma can do Demons as often as his super regenerates, and in Alpha 3, you startout with maximum super as a default choice.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Which why I'am allowing him to use SVC as well.
Also, I didn't use marvel that's your assumption.
There's no other place where you can use the Psycho Field and Triplicate techniques from, since those games are theonly time Bison has ever used them. (The field in the form of Bison's Psycho Mine special.) As for Non-Canon endings, so you get to pick both Bison's AND his opponents choice on Non-Canon material? Why?
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
More attacks, sure. . .More Destructive power sure. . .More power ❌
When Gouki has unlimited power and WMD, call me.
Doesn't need Unlimited Power, and he's already displayed more power than a WMD twice, Gokentou and Uluru.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
C'mon, He should have killed everyone. Yet, he waited for Sagat to show up and risk his plan, Retreat when he could have easily owned everyone, and died. . .That's dumb.
Purely oppinion, though I think they could have made Bison considerably more potent... On the PIS induced Story here I can agree, but they had tomakehim defeatable, and if they used the SGS here, then SF2 would be pointless.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Since, I can't confirm that i won't argue that.
I'm not shitting on Gouki, but him beating Final Bison is out of the question. We had a thread like this, If you want to continue this just bump it.
It's not out of the question, if it was, I wouldn't be arguing it... Akuma is THE only one who can actually kill Bison without having to blow up the Drive.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Akuma is overrated by certain people no different than Wolverine, Master Chief, or Hayabusa is overrated.Overall as a character he seems pretty dead on though. Honestly I'm sure alot of people like Bison too. I've never known for him to be unpopular.
It depends on who your reffering to... I certainly don't think I'veoverrated Akuma by saying he CAN beat Bison from A3...
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
No I didn't and never claimed to, here, let me point you to some quotes I made on the subject.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
This proves I am not saying Gouki Curbstomps him, but he indeed is more than capable of defeating Shin Bison without having to destroy the Drive First
I never claimed that you said Gouki would curbstomp Bison.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
-Assumption, since he has never EVER demonstrated this capability outside of the Marvel Vs series. Oh and Roses power has a few differentproperties to Bison's Psycho Power. rince Rose can't teleport or do the Psycho Crusher.-Burning and Numbing are two different things, try reading what Ityped, I know Bison can burn, thats one of the major points to his power...
-No he doesn't... He raises his fists up to his face just like any other fighter, in fact, his block is only slightly moreloose than that of Dan...
-It's not an assumption since he only taught Rose Soul Power which is different from psycho power. Bison himself know's both, so, logic dictates he should be able to do said move. Just becuase he never demonstrated it, doesn't mean he can do it. With that logic I could say Ryu can't shoot a Hadouken in the air because he's never done it in a canon game.
Oh, and Rose can teleport, she does it as a winpose
-He can scorch your body causing the area to become numb, and I'am reading what you said I just disagree. Drop the attitude mane. . .
-When he raises his fist, his hands glow with Psycho Energy.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Is that a statement or a question? because you've already said this... What context are you reinterating?
In context to your previous question
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
BZZZT! Wrong!, Gill uses his superand it doesn't regenerate for the rest of the match thats an entirely separate argument, Akuma can do Demons as often as his super regenerates, and in Alpha 3, you startout with maximum super as a default choice.
Actually, Gills superbar doesn't raise for a round after ressurection. Besides it was a joke, you remember what does are? 😉
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
There's no other place where you can use the Psycho Field and Triplicate techniques from, since those games are theonly time Bison has ever used them. (The field in the form of Bison's Psycho Mine special.) As for Non-Canon endings, so you get to pick both Bison's AND his opponents choice on Non-Canon material? Why?
Those moves are as non canon as Ryu's Air-Fireball. He can perform them based on what I said previously.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Doesn't need Unlimited Power, and he's already displayed more power than a WMD twice, Gokentou and Uluru.
C'mon darko, your telling me someone who destroy's Ayers Rock and Goukentou Rivals the power to destroy a city indefinetly?
That shouldn't even be an issue.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Purely oppinion, though I think they could have made Bison considerably more potent... On the PIS induced Story here I can agree, but they had tomakehim defeatable, and if they used the SGS here, then SF2 would be pointless.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
It's not out of the question, if it was, I wouldn't be arguing it... Akuma is THE only one who can actually kill Bison without having to blow up the Drive.
I disagree, we debated this already and you never explained how Gouki is getting passed infinite Psycho Drive shots and Psycho Canons. I digress, I'm not going to debate this again, So, I concede.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I said you posted as "if" keyword, I wasn't implying that you meant it. I was simply reffering to a specific post. You do not have to quote yourself, mane
I did that to demonstrate that I don't think this is a curbstompin either direction.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I never claimed that you said Gouki would curbstomp Bison.
I know, but I don't like being implicated either 😉
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
-It's not an assumption since he only taught Rose Soul Power which is different from psycho power. Bison himself know's both, so, logic dictates he should be able to do said move. Just becuase he never demonstrated it, doesn't mean he can do it. With that logic I could say Ryu can't shoot a Hadouken in the air because he's never done it in a canon game.Oh, and Rose can teleport, she does it as a winpose
-He can scorch your body causing the area to become numb, and I'am reading what you said I just disagree. Drop the attitude mane. . .
-When he raises his fist, his hands glow with Psycho Energy.
-Wait a moment, Bison didn't teach her anything... Where's that from? And yes, Ryu'snever shot a Hadouken from the air, Akuma has, but it's a separate technique.
-Rose never teleports, What win pose are you reffering to?
-No attitude dude, I thought you had the two mixed up, I don't get the connection bitween burning and numbing... I thought extreme cold made younumb.
-Nope, not in any blocking animation ever... Not in SF2, Not in anyof the Alpha's, not in any of the EX games, and not in any of the VS games... I have the sprite sheets, but I can't upload them from here... Roses fist glowsin herblocking animation, but it doesn't offer any more protection than a regular block anyway.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
In context to your previous question
Explain... You listed hispowers, and I listed omeof Akuma's comparatives and counters.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Actually, Gills superbar doesn't raise for a round after ressurection. Besides it was a joke, you remember what does are? 😉
I thought it was a jab at me, sorry 😛
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Those moves are as non canon as Ryu's Air-Fireball. He can perform them based on what I said previously.
No, thats an unfair and out of context advantage, since your now simplylumping in everything he can ever do, canon or not, ifI where to do the same thing with Gouki,then he couldconceivably destroy the planet bassed on the Comet feat and being able to challenge God Himself.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
C'mon darko, your telling me someone who destroy's Ayers Rock and Goukentou Rivals the power to destroy a city indefinetly?
That shouldn't even be an issue.
Right, becauselandmass changing punches are nothing in comparison to destroying a city right? 🙄
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Of course it's an opinion, what else would it be?
Err, Fact?
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I disagree, we debated this already and you never explained how Gouki is getting passed infinite Psycho Drive shots and Psycho Canons. I digress, I'm not going to debate this again, So, I concede.
Because Bison doesn't rely on satelite canon shots during a one on one match, And Psycho Canons from EX take time to charge, whereas Akuma's Messatsu Gou Hadou will plow right thrugh it.
I didn't want youto concede, your a good debator, the majority of nutswingers here are eye bleeders to debate with, and although we do disagree occasionally, I do respect you, and I just want you to know that I think that with all the facts considered, Akuma and Bison are just about even, I give no side a clearcut advantage in this particular debate.
Have fun 🙂
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero-Wait a moment, Bison didn't teach her anything... Where's that from? And yes, Ryu'snever shot a Hadouken from the air, Akuma has, but it's a separate technique.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
-Rose never teleports, What win pose are you reffering to?
One of her win poses, she uses a gaint playing card to conceal herself than vanishes.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
-Nope, not in any blocking animation ever... Not in SF2, Not in anyof the Alpha's, not in any of the EX games, and not in any of the VS games... I have the sprite sheets, but I can't upload them from here... Roses fist glowsin herblocking animation, but it doesn't offer any more protection than a regular block anyway.
I concede the point about the block animation, but he can still use psycho energy as a counter-defense
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Explain... You listed hispowers, and I listed omeof Akuma's comparatives and counters.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
No, thats an unfair and out of context advantage, since your now simplylumping in everything he can ever do, canon or not, ifI where to do the same thing with Gouki,then he couldconceivably destroy the planet bassed on the Comet feat and being able to challenge God Himself.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Right, becauselandmass changing punches are nothing in comparison to destroying a city right? 🙄
I never said it wasn't, you missed the point. Infinite City busting>>>>Limited Lands mass destroying attacks
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Because Bison doesn't rely on satelite canon shots during a one on one match, And Psycho Canons from EX take time to charge, whereas Akuma's Messatsu Gou Hadou will plow right thrugh it.
I'm talking about alpha not EX, and Bison not using his psycho drive in Alpha 3 was CIS.
BS aside, Gouki has to deal with infinite Ciuty Busting Shots, Infinite Psycho Canons, and Bison can ressurect himself from almost anything.
Bison takes this.