Originally posted by shin_remyFirst of all I don't like your tone, do me and your mom need to have a talk? 😛 Secondly a good example would be Kingdom Hearts, if we are debating Sephiroth then his KH incarnation shouldn't be included in the debate since they're pretty much separate characters anyway. However if the person who made the thread said ahead of time we will be debating the KH incarnation then it's okay. An example of not including canon feats would be SSBM. Just because it's possible for friggin Ice Climbers to beat up Bowser in the game, that doesn't mean that would happen if they fought him in the Mario(or Ice Climbers) world. In Marvel vs. Capcom could Chun Li really beat Hulk, Onslaught, or Apocalypse? My money's on HELL NO!
why not!!it is not that those characters ever existed!! we talk about a character from a game. does it matter if it is a uncanon game!!?
NO!!
we talk like, WEL IT NEVER HAPPEND!!!! it is omgosh Uncanon!! STFU!! all these characters never existed so NOTHING REALLY HAPPEND!!!!!!
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
No she doesn't, she's standing there wearing a huge dress,holding 3 TarrotCards,including one bitween her ****...
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Wrong, those are attacks, not blocking or countermoves... the only counters he ever had where the Teleport and palm strike Alpha Counters.
I said they can be used as counters since they beat alot of moves and have insane priority. Do you know what a poke is in fighting games?
Game restriction aside, are you arguing that a huge flaming psycho punch can't counter a regular kick.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
The very same fight where Gill ressurected from the SGS
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I don't particularly care about the Meteor thing, but if you want non-canon material, then you get it with the same thing going to Gouki,and youdon't get to pick both, thats how debating works. SVC's Heaven Earth Slice Destroyer is good, but it doesn't balance with what your doing
I never said I didn't want canon material, I said I want canon feats or sensible material. Are you honestly telling me that Ryu being able to jump and performing a hadou is impossible just because he doesn't do it in game? Besides, didn't you claim Gouki can destroy a city despite having no canon proof and I agree'd with you?
That's a double standard.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Ah, your talking about the Psycho Drive Crusher... I thought you where reffering to his Psycho Cannon super from the EX games or his MVC2 Super Art since those are the only two games he'sever had the Cannon😛
Have you ever played Alpha 3, do you know the Super Art that final bison does is Psycho canon?
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
It'sa shame that the Psycno Drive Crusheris blockable, and Gouki can teleport, or use any of the moves that grant him invulnerability to completely evade it, nottomention that itleaves Bison vulnerable after execution.
Gouki's invulnerbility during teleport is a game mechanic, he doesn't actually disappear. And, "Block" doesn't work the same-way it works in game, with that logic I could say SGS is not fatal due to gameplay.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Gouki:
-Also has Flight/Levitation.
-Better Prep? Based on What?
-For a fight? Doubtful since Akuma is by far the better fighter.
-Which means precisely nothing, since Akuma is a very well diciplined fighter who seems tovisit hell regularly... Not a mind you want to visit.
-Nope, Akuma's higher energy level requires greater control without the aid of a machine.
-Akuma also teleports... Misogi and Tenma Shourettou prove this. not just his Ashura Senku.
-Takes time and requires extensive prep, plus itcan'tbe done in the heat of Combat.
-Same as above. it failed on Ryu.
-Gouki does not have flight, that's BS. He can simply glide on the floor.
-Better prep since he has computers that analyze your moves, and he's backed by the entire shadoloo versus Gouki who lives in a cave
-By better resources I mean Shadoloo
-I said better manipulation not more power, Gouki cannot fly, disappear, or has high psychic ability with his power. All he can do is blow stuff up
-Misogi is not even canon and your using it, but argue against me when I mention Aerial Hadou?!
-What are you talking about, he was brainwashing Ryu during alpha 3 in the heat of combat. Watch Ryu's ending, he was fightig for control of his soul
-Wrong, he body snacthed rose during battle.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroUnless it's a one hitkiller like the SGS, Misogi or Kongou Kokuretsu Zan, then no, I'm not... and if akuma's first attackis the SGS KKZ then it's a waste, but a Misogi will slice Bison in two, and unless his regeneration is like Gamma's from Ninja Scroll, or Cell's then I don't see him healing from being sliced in two either...
Misogi is not canon or a one hit killer. It seems to be okay for you to use non-canon attacks and explain how they work with no evidence.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
However, that aside, Akuma would probably rush in, Bison does the Psycho Drive Crusher, Akuma Blocks/Teleports. and as Bison reappears, Akuma SGS's. This is how it would go according to your battleplan for Bison... Doing the same moves over and over is poor strategy, Especially against a very powerful, skilled and experienced fighter like Akuma.
Gouki never disappeared with Asura Senku, that's just your conjecture. And, the scenerio you describes ignores the fact that Bisonn will know Gouki's moves. He already know's Asura senku since Juni Uses it.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
By the way, about the Drive, Do you think that Bison has to regenerateenergy for his supers? He wouldn't have an effectively Unlimited superbar, more like a regenerative bar that builds up on it's own. I was tinkering with the options on my Alpha anthologies and it has a Superbar Regeneration option that allows the bar to go from empty to full in about 3 to 5 seconds, as long as your standing still... Do you think thats how Bison's Drive works? just asking.
DZ, why are you mention super bars? do you know that Game restriction is not applicable here? It seems to me that you like to use double standards. You penalize me for using un-applicable move set whilst using un-canon and conjecture on move description. Super bars or regenerative meters are not valid in debates.
By the way remy, you said before that Goku couldn't beat Pyron, which I and many others agreed with. If we shouldn't go by canonical facts as you say we shouldn't, then that means Ken is capable of beating Pyron from a game they're both featured in, and Ken quite obviously doesn't have a chance in hell against Goku. So now, aren't you condradicting yourself?
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
She disappears as well, but I digress it's not relevant to this debate
I simply don't remember her dissapearing behind the card is all... I can admit if I'm wrong (Shonky poor memory 🙁 )
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I said they can be used as counters since they beat alot of moves and have insane priority. Do you know what a poke is in fighting games?
Game restriction aside, are you arguing that a huge flaming psycho punch can't counter a regular kick.
Heh, thats funny, since I have stopped a psycho Crusher numerous times with nothing but a Jab from Joe Higashi in CVS2 😛 That was epic.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Show me him vaping citites, Darkstorm.
I'm willing to concede this, since the only thing I have is gill's ending where he raises mountains, parts theocean,and changes large populations of humans into his likeness with the wave of his hand...
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I never said I didn't want canon material, I said I want canon feats or sensible material. Are you honestly telling me that Ryu being able to jump and performing a hadou is impossible just because he doesn't do it in game? Besides, didn't you claim Gouki can destroy a city despite having no canon proof and I agree'd with you?That's a double standard.
i claimed this based on the island feat. Tell me, if thgeir where cities on that island, do ytou think they would survive the island going down?
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Have you ever played Alpha 3, do you know the Super Art that final bison does is Psycho canon?
I own it, both on PS1 and 2, and that move was never given an official designation since Final Bison was never meant to be playable. But for the sake of argument I listened to the voice sound test, and lo and behold, it's still called the Psycho Crusher... NOT Psycho Cannon. I call it the Psycho 'Drive' Crusher for obvious reasons, since it's similar but not the same as the Psycho Break Smasher from EX
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Gouki's invulnerbility during teleport is a game mechanic, he doesn't actually disappear. And, "Block" doesn't work the same-way it works in game, with that logic I could say SGS is not fatal due to gameplay.
Thats beside the point, he is invulnerable, and it is a teleport, why is it a game mechanic since that whole technique is supoposed to do that?
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
-Gouki does not have flight, that's BS. He can simply glide on the floor.
-Better prep since he has computers that analyze your moves, and he's backed by the entire shadoloo versus Gouki who lives in a cave
-By better resources I mean Shadoloo
-I said better manipulation not more power, Gouki cannot fly, disappear, or has high psychic ability with his power. All he can do is blow stuff up
-Misogi is not even canon and your using it, but argue against me when I mention Aerial Hadou?!
-What are you talking about, he was brainwashing Ryu during alpha 3 in the heat of combat. Watch Ryu's ending, he was fightig for control of his soul
-Wrong, he body snacthed rose during battle.
-You can't pick and choose whats BS
-Irrelevant, unless Bison has photographic memory.
-Again, irrelevant for the same reason.
-Yes he can... based on your set of rules.
-Understand, based on the way your setting the battle, I'm going to equalise. Iargued initially, but since you won't relent on it, I'll equalise instead.
-No he didn't, he defeated Ryu then brainwashed him. Yes Ryu was 'Fighting' the brainwashing, but thats not the same as punching Bison while your brainwashed by him is it?
-He grabbed a holdof her and immobilised her, ther's a difference, can he do that to a guy who is easily physically stronger than him?
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Misogi is not canon or a one hit killer. It seems to be okay for you to use non-canon attacks and explain how they work with no evidence.
Every time I've used it it's killed in a single hit, even with a full health bar. And I already explained this above, if you won't relent on your position, then I'm going to adapt.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Gouki never disappeared with Asura Senku, that's just your conjecture. And, the scenerio you describes ignores the fact that Bisonn will know Gouki's moves. He already know's Asura senku since Juni Uses it.
He doesn't need to 'Dissapear' since he becomes intangible. and unless he has photographic memory, he's only going to be aware of the basics, and a few specials. Not to mention the fact that the help he'll have from that is still going to be limited by the fact thatAkuma RARELY fights with an audience.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
DZ, why are you mention super bars? do you know that Game restriction is not applicable here? It seems to me that you like to use double standards. You penalize me for using un-applicable move set whilst using un-canon and conjecture on move description. Super bars or regenerative meters are not valid in debates.
This was just a question, not intended for the debate, it was just an open question that anyone can answer. it serves me no purpose in the debate either, so cool it down Emperor... 😮💨
Originally posted by shin_remy
what game ?and @ EMP :
Misogi is canon, he can also do it in SF 3 Double Impact
Nope, the move in SF3 3rd Strike is separate. the Misogi is the giant chop he does in the CVSNK series and in CFE
But in 3rd strike he does the Kongou Kokuretsu Zan. Check this, Akuma's attack.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Nope, the move in SF3 3rd Strike is separate. the Misogi is the giant chop he does in the CVSNK series and in CFEBut in 3rd strike he does the Kongou Kokuretsu Zan. Check this, Akuma's attack.
i know...... but i thought he could do the misogi too in sf 3 double impact. my mistake then 😛
i'm looking for the Gif of Misogi but i can't find it anywhere. does anybody has that gif ?
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Heh, thats funny, since I have stopped a psycho Crusher numerous times with nothing but a Jab from Joe Higashi in CVS2 😛 That was epic.
And?
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
i claimed this based on the island feat. Tell me, if thgeir where cities on that island, do ytou think they would survive the island going down?
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I own it, both on PS1 and 2, and that move was never given an official designation since Final Bison was never meant to be playable. But for the sake of argument I listened to the voice sound test, and lo and behold, it's still called the Psycho Crusher... NOT Psycho Cannon. I call it the Psycho 'Drive' Crusher for obvious reasons, since it's similar but not the same as the Psycho Break Smasher from EX
doh
Darkstorm, a character being playable has aboslutely no barring on his status as canon. And, the name of the move is Psycho Canon, since in the Dreamcast version he's playabale. Voice test is irrelevant to the name of an attack. Does Sagat Say "Tiger Shot" when performing said move?
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Thats beside the point, he is invulnerable, and it is a teleport, why is it a game mechanic since that whole technique is supoposed to do that?
He's invulnerability is a game restriction. It's not a teleport since he does not dissappear. The move has been shown in a 3D space via EX. He doesn't dissappear, he simply moves very Quickly. EX was developed By akira, but the moves were designated by Capcom.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
-You can't pick and choose whats BS
-Irrelevant, unless Bison has photographic memory.
-Again, irrelevant for the same reason.
-Yes he can... based on your set of rules.
-Understand, based on the way your setting the battle, I'm going to equalise. Iargued initially, but since you won't relent on it, I'll equalise instead.
-No he didn't, he defeated Ryu then brainwashed him. Yes Ryu was 'Fighting' the brainwashing, but thats not the same as punching Bison while your brainwashed by him is it?
-He grabbed a holdof her and immobilised her, ther's a difference, can he do that to a guy who is easily physically stronger than him?
-But, of course you can decide that Gouki has flight with no proof, right
-Mental memory has nothing to do with memorising a physical technique in the martial arts. You need muscle memory for that.
-And, again because your wrong.
-Uh, no he can't, I never made any set of rules Darko.
-Bullshit, I never siad I wanted all non-canon, I said I wanted sensicle debates. Misogi not on the same as Ryu doing an aerial Hadou.
-It doesn't matter when he did, Psycho Energy can brainwash regardless. Yes, he captured him, but he was also doing it in the heat of battle as well.
-He hit her, he did not immobolise her.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Every time I've used it it's killed in a single hit, even with a full health bar. And I already explained this above, if you won't relent on your position, then I'm going to adapt.
I suggest you play CVS 2 again, because it's not. I've done it hundreds of times. And, No, I refuse to use completely non-canon move sets just because you wanna be pednatic about one plausible move,, WTF?
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
He doesn't need to 'Dissapear' since he becomes intangible. and unless he has photographic memory, he's only going to be aware of the basics, and a few specials. Not to mention the fact that the help he'll have from that is still going to be limited by the fact thatAkuma RARELY fights with an audience.
So, now your playing dumb just to use a game mechanic in a debate? You know what Darko, I think this off-topic debate has gone far enough. At first I conceded because we were de-railing a thread and there was a thread about this before, but now I'm just not going to bother. Can't say it's been fun, but I doubt I'll debate you anytime in the future.
Have a nice summer 🙂
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
And, Gouki cannot ressurect period.
Didnt someone say geese could ressurect ?... I'm figuring the knowledge to resurrect has to speak a little something about how powerful one is
I'd say its a tough call cuz geese is subject to the typical boss abuse of losing to main characters... and gouki isnt subjected to this, as he's allowed to remain in the background and not really affect the plot of any of the games
^^Lol
and don't forget he just comes in tournaments and gets kicks out of doing the SGS to an opponent who isn't even looking at him.....and then he goes around calling everyone weak for not having the balls to actually fight someone head on.
*before any of you have heartattacks, i'm only kidding*
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
^^Lol
and don't forget he just comes in tournaments and gets kicks out of doing the SGS to an opponent who isn't even looking at him.....and then he goes around calling everyone weak for not having the balls to actually fight someone head on.
*before any of you have heartattacks, i'm only kidding*~Sado
hohoho Sado WAIT
i have read a long time back that he beated Bison in a short match!!
and i have readed that he came from behind and did a shun goku satsu
it is not clear HOW he really killed bison besides Shun Goku Satsu 😉 🙂
*i know you were just joking around 😆 💃 😮💨 *
Originally posted by SaTsuJiNLawd how I wish that person was right. However, I'm quite sure that if he could have he would have & half of the reason I don't like Terry wouldn't exist. Geese gets Fubared vs Akuma, & wasted
Didnt someone say geese could ressurect ?
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN🙁 Sad because it's true. Way to go SNK 😠
geese is subject to the typical boss abuse of losing to main characters
