Lightsaber Skill and Force Powers

LIGHTSABER SKILL

1- Luke 11
2- Sidious 10
3- Yoda 10
4- Revan 9,7
5- Exar Kun 9,6
6- Ullic Quel-Droma 9,5
7- Bane 9,4
8- Anakin (ROTS) 9 (9,8 enraged and focus, 8,8 unfocus against Obi-Wan)
9- Mace Windu 9 (9,9 with vaadpad against Sidious)
10- Dooku 9
11- Obi-Wan 8,3 (8,7 focus against Anakin)
12- Darth Maul 8.0
13- Darth Vader 7.9
14- Qui-Gon Jinn 7,7
15- Kit Fisto 7,6
16- Plo Koon 7,6
17- Ki-Adi Mundi 7,5
18- Padawan Anakin 7,3
19- Jedi knight Obi-Wan 7,2
20- Padawan Obi-Wan 7 (8 enraged)

FORCE POWERS

1- Luke 11
2- Sidious 10.2
3- Yoda 10.1
5- Exar Kun 9,8
5- Revan 9,8
6- Bane 9,6
7- Ullic Quel-Droma 9,2
8- Darth Vader 9,2
9- Mace Windu 9
10- Dooku 9
11- Anakin (ROTS) 8,7 (9,2 enraged, 8,5 unfocus against Obi-Wan)
12- Obi-Wan 8,2 (8,4 focus against Anakin)
13- Qui-Gon Jinn 7,7
14- Ki-Adi Mundi 7,7
15- Plo Koon 7,6
16- Darth Maul 7.6
17- Kit Fisto 7,4
18- Jedi Knight Obi-Wan 7,2
19- Padawan Anakin 7,0
20- Padawan Obi-Wan 6,6

Ok, i know this is the second time i try something like this but i wanted to ask your opinions about this subject. Basicaly, you will rank force powers and lightsaber skill according to a comparative scale.

Opinions? Go ahead, make your own list.

Sidious 10
Yoda 10

Wrong forum.

Originally posted by kamhal
LIGHTSABER SKILL

1- Luke 11
2- Sidious 10
3- Yoda 10
4- Revan 9,7
5- Exar Kun 9,6
6- Ullic Quel-Droma 9,5
7- Bane 9,4
8- Anakin (ROTS) 9 (9,8 enraged and focus, 8,8 unfocus against Obi-Wan)
9- Mace Windu 9 (9,9 with vaadpad against Sidious)
10- Dooku 9
11- Obi-Wan 8,3 (8,7 focus against Anakin)
12- Darth Maul 8.0
13- Darth Vader 7.9
14- Qui-Gon Jinn 7,7
15- Kit Fisto 7,6
16- Plo Koon 7,6
17- Ki-Adi Mundi 7,5
18- Padawan Anakin 7,3
19- Jedi knight Obi-Wan 7,2
20- Padawan Obi-Wan 7 (8 enraged)

FORCE POWERS

1- Luke 11
2- Sidious 10.2
3- Yoda 10.1
5- Exar Kun 9,8
5- Revan 9,8
6- Bane 9,6
7- Ullic Quel-Droma 9,2
8- Darth Vader 9,2
9- Mace Windu 9
10- Dooku 9
11- Anakin (ROTS) 8,7 (9,2 enraged, 8,5 unfocus against Obi-Wan)
12- Obi-Wan 8,2 (8,4 focus against Anakin)
13- Qui-Gon Jinn 7,7
14- Ki-Adi Mundi 7,7
15- Plo Koon 7,6
16- Darth Maul 7.6
17- Kit Fisto 7,4
18- Jedi Knight Obi-Wan 7,2
19- Padawan Anakin 7,0
20- Padawan Obi-Wan 6,6

Ok, i know this is the second time i try something like this but i wanted to ask your opinions about this subject. Basicaly, you will rank force powers and lightsaber skill according to a comparative scale.

Opinions? Go ahead, make your own list.

Which Luke?

The scale is too small scale and horribly inaccurate.

It would seem like an eight in force could go up against a nine and have a chance to win, or at least be able to have a good fight, but you put Obi as an eight and Dooku as a nine. The characters aren't that close.

The same goes with lightsaber skill, Kit is a 7.6 while Sidious (ROTS?) is a 10. Sidious murdered him in under three seconds, along with two others that are his rough equals, while focusing mainly on Mace.

And vader is above bane or prehaps equals

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
Which Luke?

First, i never used Gillard's scale, i am using a personal scale.

Second, i asked you to try something like this and just comment it's too close or too far, yet you didn't even try to do something like that.

Also,

The same goes with lightsaber skill, Kit is a 7.6 while Sidious (ROTS?) is a 10

Also, i would like proofs that bane>vader. Bane, people like it or not, had showed huge force power.

At last, i am obviously putting the characters at full power, so just imagine Luke at his best.

NJO Luke: 10+
Tulak Hord: 10
Darth Bane (in his prime): 9.997 (would be just 9.9 or 9.85 without Orbalisks, but saying for Bane in his prime is total speculation, anyways).
DE Sidious: 9.88
DE Luke: 9.72 but 9.82 by Empire's End.
Kol Skywalker: 9.7
Kyle Katarn/Kas'im: 9.65
Exar Kun: 9.6
Mace Windu (AOTC/ROTS): 9.5
Ulic-Qel Droma: 9.45
ROTS Anakin in state he's in when he kills Dooku: 9.5
Yoda: 9.4
ROTS Sidious: 9.35
ROTS Vader (in normal state): 9.35
PoD Bane: 9.3
ROTS Anakin (in normal state): 8.999999864 (I'd give him a 9, Gillard says he's a 8 before turning to the dark side, though)
ROTS Obi-Wan: 8.99641
ROTS Count Dooku: 8.89
EU Genera; Grievous: 8.84 (should be above Dooku, imho, but LOE says Dooku can barely beat him).
Volfe Karkko: 8.84
Cin Drallig: 8.8
Darth Maul: 8.8
Kopecz: 8.65 (kind of a guess)
Anoon Bondara: 8.57 (he supposedly is ahead of Yoda, but I don't buy that. But he did seem pretty close to Maul - just because right away he could tell that maul was stronger means nothing since Qui-Gon could tell, too. If Anoon hadn't killed himself in an attempt to kill Maul, too, I suspect that the duel would have lasted a little while).
Darth Maul (in his not-at-full-strength state before duel at Theed): 8.48
Sora Bulq: 8.48
Depa Billaba: 8.46 (idk why, but I can't put her quite in Maul and Bulq's level, though she likely is).
ROTS General Grievous: 8.5
ESB Vader: 8.45
ANH Obi-Wan: 8.435
Obsession Asajj: 8.43
Agen Kolar: 8.43
Plo Koon: 8.43
Ki-Adi Mundi: 8.39
Quinlan Vos: 8.39
Luminara Unduli: 8.35
TPM Qui-Gon Jinn: 8.15
Kit Fisto: 8.0
Shaak Ti: 8.0
A'Sharad Hett (ROTS): 8.0
J'ai Maruk: 7.95
TPM "Dark Side" Kenobi: 7.95 (but tires down past 7 in under a minute)
Tsui Choi: 7.93
K'kruhk: 7.91
Aayla Secura: 7.85
Aurra Sing: 7.84
Roan Shryne: 7.77
Jastus Farr: 7.77
Tholme: 7.75
ROTJ Luke: 7.71
Glaive: 7.5
Roblio Darté: 7.3
Sirak: 7.3
AOTC Obi-Wan: 7.25
AOTC Anakin: 7.1
TPM Kenobi: 6.991
Bol Chatak: 6.85
Tol Skorr: 6.5 (stupid, he should be about 7.5 but he has to be about 6.5 for Quinlan to have pwnd him so badly).
Coleman Trebor: 6.5
ESB Luke Skywalker: 5.0 (by the end of the film)
Magnaguard: 3.0

Jacen Solo: ???
Darth Revan: Low to mid 9?
Darth Malak: High 8, low 9?
Darth Traya: Low 9?
Darth Nihilus: Low to mid 8?
The Jedi Exile: ???

I'm not going to try and do a Force list.

Heck that's a long list.

Anyway, just wondering, I talked to Gideon a while ago, he actually said that a Magnaguard was above the average jedi when it came to fighting. Maybe someone should make a thread or something.

Yeah, I know it's long, I had posted it on my website some time ago and just posted it here, changed a few of the numbers slightly.

And where does it say that a Magnaguard is above strong an avg. Jedi? If you know.

Unfortunatley I don't, it was just Gideon who said it, but that was like 3 months ago or something. But I think it was something Dooku noted about them, or it was his opinion. (Gideon's)

Originally posted by darthsith19
[B]NJO Luke: 10+
Tulak Hord: 10
Darth Bane (in his prime): 9.997 (would be just 9.9 or 9.85 without Orbalisks, but saying for Bane in his prime is total speculation, anyways).
DE Sidious: 9.88
DE Luke: 9.72 but 9.82 by Empire's End.
Kol Skywalker: 9.7
Kyle Katarn/Kas'im: 9.65
Exar Kun: 9.6
Mace Windu (AOTC/ROTS): 9.5
Ulic-Qel Droma: 9.45
ROTS Anakin in state he's in when he kills Dooku: 9.5
Yoda: 9.4
ROTS Sidious: 9.35
ROTS Vader (in normal state): 9.35
PoD Bane: 9.3
ROTS Anakin (in normal state): 8.999999864 (I'd give him a 9, Gillard says he's a 8 before turning to the dark side, though)
ROTS Obi-Wan: 8.99641
ROTS Count Dooku: 8.89
EU Genera; Grievous: 8.84 (should be above Dooku, imho, but LOE says Dooku can barely beat him).
Volfe Karkko: 8.84
Cin Drallig: 8.8
Darth Maul: 8.8
Kopecz: 8.65 (kind of a guess)
Anoon Bondara: 8.57 (he supposedly is ahead of Yoda, but I don't buy that. But he did seem pretty close to Maul - just because right away he could tell that maul was stronger means nothing since Qui-Gon could tell, too. If Anoon hadn't killed himself in an attempt to kill Maul, too, I suspect that the duel would have lasted a little while).
Darth Maul (in his not-at-full-strength state before duel at Theed): 8.48
Sora Bulq: 8.48
Depa Billaba: 8.46 (idk why, but I can't put her quite in Maul and Bulq's level, though she likely is).
ROTS General Grievous: 8.5
ESB Vader: 8.45
ANH Obi-Wan: 8.435
Obsession Asajj: 8.43
Agen Kolar: 8.43
Plo Koon: 8.43
Ki-Adi Mundi: 8.39
Quinlan Vos: 8.39
Luminara Unduli: 8.35
TPM Qui-Gon Jinn: 8.15
Kit Fisto: 8.0
Shaak Ti: 8.0
A'Sharad Hett (ROTS): 8.0
J'ai Maruk: 7.95
TPM "Dark Side" Kenobi: 7.95 (but tires down past 7 in under a minute)
Tsui Choi: 7.93
K'kruhk: 7.91
Aayla Secura: 7.85
Aurra Sing: 7.84
Roan Shryne: 7.77
Jastus Farr: 7.77
Tholme: 7.75
ROTJ Luke: 7.71
Glaive: 7.5
Roblio Darté: 7.3
Sirak: 7.3
AOTC Obi-Wan: 7.25
AOTC Anakin: 7.1
TPM Kenobi: 6.991
Bol Chatak: 6.85
Tol Skorr: 6.5 (stupid, he should be about 7.5 but he has to be about 6.5 for Quinlan to have pwnd him so badly).
Coleman Trebor: 6.5
ESB Luke Skywalker: 5.0 (by the end of the film)
Magnaguard: 3.0

Jacen Solo: ???
Darth Revan: Low to mid 9?
Darth Malak: High 8, low 9?
Darth Traya: Low 9?
Darth Nihilus: Low to mid 8?
The Jedi Exile: ???

I'm not going to try and do a Force list. [/B]

And that is why your not taken seriously round herr.

Darthsith, why did you rank RotS Obi-Wan higher than Count Dooku as a duelist? That's absolute bullshit. Dooku is more experienced and much more refined; the only reason that he was unable to tool Obi-Wan's ass is a.) He had to fight off Anakin, too and b.) Obi-Wan's Soresu makes him capable of defending himself from Count Dooku - or just about any duelist - for long periods of time. But offensively? He's screwed. He can't outduel Dooku.

Furthermore, why is AotC Obi-Wan higher than AotC Anakin? Dooku considered Anakin more of a threat than Obi-Wan at that time, too, and Anakin actually made Dooku work for his victory, unlike Obi-Wan.

A magna gayrd is above av average Jedi? Why did like ten of them get pwnt.'ed by one Jedi in the CW, then?

Because Shaak Tii is a council master, not all jedi are the same you know. And pwnt? I saw Shaak Tii getting her ass handed to her, she was lucky they retreated. She downed like what, two of them?

And jedi in the CW are highly overpowered.

Nyax or Luke should be first on the saber list.
Opsy, double post.

Originally posted by Bruce Leeroy
A magna gayrd is above av average Jedi? Why did like ten of them get pwnt.'ed by one Jedi in the CW, then?

Not only that, Why did ROTS Anakin and ROTS Kenobi destroy them so easily and effortlessly?

Because they are some of the best swordsmen in the order, Anakin pretty much ever up to that point. He could destroy an average jedi in saber battle. I mean, if Anakin could take out Count Dooku in some 30 seconds, he can take out an average freakin jedi in 15.

Magnaguards were trained as Grievous body guards, they knew all the saber styles of the jedi, and Count Dooku was VERY impressed by them in combat, in LOE.
I'm not saying they are above the average jedi, and I'm not saying that Gideon is absolutley saying that anymore, I just made a point that they might be.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
And that is why your not taken seriously round herr.

Exactly.

While it may be a "long list", it's riddled with nothing but sheer idiocy.