Originally posted by pirate179
thats what i said and was so confused about!!!! the dutchman must always have a captain!! thats what was so stressed in DMC and AWE so how can the curse be lifted or whatever, cuz if it is lifted there is no one to be captain, so what happens then??? does this mean that there is no more FD?? or what??
No, this means Pirates of the Caribbean 4 to answer those questions.
Okay, someone said the movie does not make this known. The movie implies (now that I've seen it!) that:
1. The FD NEEDS a captain.
2. The captain can visit land every 10 years
By this logic, Will has one day, one, to spend with Liz and his son before he has to go again. Does this suck for all of them? You bet. Also, by this logic, all Elizabeth's love does is keep him from becoming bitter. Davy became a squid and the crew members were cursed and life was horrible if you died at sea because Davy turned into a cynical sadist. Elizabeth's love keeps Will how we all know him: as a human-looking, brave, nice guy.
Now, if Will is freed, good for him and the Turner family. But what about the Dutchman? What my guess would be there is that Will would make his dad captain. Will would appoint someone he trusted, someone who would do the job correctly. But the movie should have made this common knowledge.
Originally posted by willofthewisp
Okay, someone said the movie does not make this known. The movie implies (now that I've seen it!) that:1. The FD NEEDS a captain.
2. The captain can visit land every 10 yearsBy this logic, Will has one day, one, to spend with Liz and his son before he has to go again. Does this suck for all of them? You bet. Also, by this logic, all Elizabeth's love does is keep him from becoming bitter. Davy became a squid and the crew members were cursed and life was horrible if you died at sea because Davy turned into a cynical sadist. Elizabeth's love keeps Will how we all know him: as a human-looking, brave, nice guy.
Now, if Will is freed, good for him and the Turner family. But what about the Dutchman? What my guess would be there is that Will would make his dad captain. Will would appoint someone he trusted, someone who would do the job correctly. But the movie should have made this common knowledge.
Very logical. Can't wait to see what happens in POTC4!
I actually disagree. The movie indicates in a not-very-clear way that DJ was expecting some type of reward (not just Calypso) for ferrying dead souls.
The movie never implies that Will needs Elizabeth to remain faithful in order to not be squid-faced. What the movie states is that DJ chose to become bitter and abandon his post, cut out his heart, and become squid-like.
I have no doubt in my mind that Will would never have gone this route, that if Elizabeth had chosen to not wait for him (if she hadn't run after him on the beach), Will would have remained human looking, and would have honored the agreement that binds him to the Dutchman.
The only thing unclear in the movie is what happens after the ten years are up. TnT had lines in there that were meant to indicate Will is going to be free from the Dutchman in ten years, and because of unfortunate editing, it is not strictly canon, but I figured it out on my own that the curse would be broken, so I consider it canon anyway. 😄
By the way, TnT have hinted that movie four might take place before the ten years are up, and they seem to have a few ideas for adventures in mind for Will and Liz (and of course Jack). Now if we could just get a good story and everyone signed up...😄
I'll throw my two pence in. The movie didn't make anything clear. It vaguely hinted at things. No one knew, or could possibly be expected to know, that the curse was broken after ten years. it's not canon--- it's what happens when you get online and do tons of research to understand all that stuff. the movie made it sound like you get 1 day every ten years, and that's that. no mention at all of the curse being broken if Lizzie keeps her skirt on.
Originally posted by Surreal_44
I actually disagree. The movie indicates in a not-very-clear way that DJ was expecting some type of reward (not just Calypso) for ferrying dead souls.The movie never implies that Will needs Elizabeth to remain faithful in order to not be squid-faced. What the movie states is that DJ chose to become bitter and abandon his post, cut out his heart, and become squid-like.
I have no doubt in my mind that Will would never have gone this route, that if Elizabeth had chosen to not wait for him (if she hadn't run after him on the beach), Will would have remained human looking, and would have honored the agreement that binds him to the Dutchman.
The only thing unclear in the movie is what happens after the ten years are up. TnT had lines in there that were meant to indicate Will is going to be free from the Dutchman in ten years, and because of unfortunate editing, it is not strictly canon, but I figured it out on my own that the curse would be broken, so I consider it canon anyway. 😄
By the way, TnT have hinted that movie four might take place before the ten years are up, and they seem to have a few ideas for adventures in mind for Will and Liz (and of course Jack). Now if we could just get a good story and everyone signed up...😄
My thoughts are if they are to do something to that effect that Calypso will be a major part, seeing as she just disappeared during the movie, even after she said she would exact her revenge on the pirate lords.
Although I am in firm belief that the child is Will's, the end scene doesn't even make that clear. My mom looked at me like, "It is Will's, right?" Don't misunderstand me: it is without a doubt Will's in my mind, but the movie doesn't make that clear. Maybe if they had Liz say, "Come back here, Will Jr." or something, lol. The ending was not worth waiting after all those credits.
Originally posted by Surreal_44
Maybe you should watch the film again. There's a lot of that wonderful subtext in there, hints and such that should help you draw the proper conclusions.
The problem is, that most people who go and see the movie, don't have the common sense to understand that. That is why a Pirates of the Caribbean 4 is required.
oh swear words. i'm not seeing that film again. hehehe. I think it's pretty unfair to assume everyone is gonna get the junk about the curse, calypso, etc. you don't need to defend the film in the area of plot, because a lot of it was just not explained. clearly i am on this forum and so knew about the curse rule, and so specifically looked for that important info to come out during the course of the film. it wasn't there. not even a hint.
It doesn't matter anyway. People will make what they want out of Pirates 3, 4, or 10. They could make it a seven hour mini-series, and they'd still question what they see on screen, so...what's the point?
I didn't hear anyone at my theater question who's child it was, so I don't really know how that could be confusing either. 😛 The plot was straight-forward as it could be. Most of my friends went in massively unspoiled, and they understood everything just fine. I'm not sure where all the confusion is coming from, to be honest.
It was a good movie. Funny, dark, sad, happy...it had everything in it. 😄
Originally posted by Shadow0fabandit
It didn't directly say it but in fact Davy Jones gave it away.
Really? I don't remember it being mentioned...the problem is that I was surrounded my MANY sproglettes and it did get a bit difficult to hear at points. Perhaps I missed it...gonna go find a torrent and watch it again. 🙂
Originally posted by willofthewisp
Okay, someone said the movie does not make this known. The movie implies (now that I've seen it!) that:1. The FD NEEDS a captain.
2. The captain can visit land every 10 yearsBy this logic, Will has one day, one, to spend with Liz and his son before he has to go again. Does this suck for all of them? You bet. Also, by this logic, all Elizabeth's love does is keep him from becoming bitter. Davy became a squid and the crew members were cursed and life was horrible if you died at sea because Davy turned into a cynical sadist. Elizabeth's love keeps Will how we all know him: as a human-looking, brave, nice guy.
Now, if Will is freed, good for him and the Turner family. But what about the Dutchman? What my guess would be there is that Will would make his dad captain. Will would appoint someone he trusted, someone who would do the job correctly. But the movie should have made this common knowledge.