yes to be honest i dont get where they say it either....I just came back from watching it and they dont say it or imply it!
Tia, Davy, Gibbs, Bootstrap even Jack all have lines about this 10 year ordeal/green flash...an none of them say that after 10 years the person who stabbs the heart will be set free if their true love waits for them..."The Dutchman must always have a Captain!" "1 day ashore, 10 years at sea it's a steep price to pay for what just been done." -Bootstrap
"10 years i looked after the souls who died at sea, for 10 years i did the job that u charged me with, but after 10 years u were not there. Why were u not there?"- Davy Jones
I dont know....i still dont hear it!
It's implied...*sigh*
Follow the conversation. For ten years, DJ sailed, just as he promised he would. He went to land so that they could finally be together (implied: as in be together forever), but she was not there.
Her faithlessness forced him to return to sea for another ten years.
Tia: It's not in my nature to be faithful. Would you love me if I was anything but what I am? << DJ did in fact understand that, and realized he was doomed to sail the seas for forever.
DJ went back to sea, betrayed her, cut out his heart and decided to never love again.
Not everything has to be said straight-out in order to be understood. TnT wanted people to use their heads, like seeing how subtle the relationship development is in this film.
If you actually look at it, it's not that hard to follow, even if it isn't straight-out said. Lots of things are implied in this film; if you can see love for Lizzie in Jack's eyes and love for Jack in Liz's eyes, then I'm sure you can figure out that the curse is broken. 😛
Originally posted by Ditte3
Ok,but Tia also said in the begining of the film that Davy recieved eternal life to do his duty.
I'm sure it said he was 'Immortal' to do his duty immortal being the key word as you cannot be killed except by the heart thing. So he could do his duty without being killed and when the ten years of doing his duty was up he was meant to be with the woman he loved but she couldn't keep her side of the bargain which obviously drove him to his betrayal of her and obvious madness which kept him immortal seeing the curse was sealed.
Finally got around to finding the links from the explanation from Terry.
Question:
http://www.wordplayer.com/forums/moviesarc08/index.cgi?read=98699
and response by Terry:
http://www.wordplayer.com/forums/moviesarc08/index.cgi?read=98721
Hope that helps a little more. 😄
Ted does not think Will gets his heart back, although it's not 'canon' to say such a thing. He has asked for people to discuss it and see if we can come up with an answer.
Personally, since it's all so magical, I think Will could in fact get his heart back (why not?), but then again, there's something strangely romantic about literally giving his heart to Elizabeth and her literally keeping it safe for him.
As for DJ and Calypso...DJ died and was 'taken' by Calypso. What happens after that? Dunno. 😄 Lots of fodder for fanfiction and theories though, isn't there? 😄
Originally posted by Surreal_44
It's implied...*sigh*Follow the conversation. For ten years, DJ sailed, just as he promised he would. He went to land so that they could finally be together (implied: as in be together forever), but she was not there.
Her faithlessness forced him to return to sea for another ten years.
Tia: It's not in my nature to be faithful. Would you love me if I was anything but what I am? << DJ did in fact understand that, and realized he was doomed to sail the seas for forever.
DJ went back to sea, betrayed her, cut out his heart and decided to never love again.
Not everything has to be said straight-out in order to be understood. TnT wanted people to use their heads, like seeing how subtle the relationship development is in this film.
If you actually look at it, it's not that hard to follow, even if it isn't straight-out said. Lots of things are implied in this film; if you can see love for Lizzie in Jack's eyes and love for Jack in Liz's eyes, then I'm sure you can figure out that the curse is broken. 😛
yes...just like it was implied in DMC that Elizabeth was thinking about Will with a smile on her face when Norrington says to her "it's a curious thing, there was a time I would have given anything for you to look like that while thinking about me."....
and I guess it was implied that Will was what Liz wanted most when she got frustrated with the compass twice in DMC when the audience was led to believe because of camera play...that the compass was pointing at Jack...you have to be really smart to read between all those lines..and study the film exclusively to realize that when Liz held the compass and it pointed to Jack...it was actually pointing to the chest...or perhaps to Jack because jack was the way to find Will, whom she wanted most...even after Jack had just went through all the trouble of telling her that it points to the thing you want most in this world and very seductively played around with her in that scene.....
and just like it was implied that Liz was killing jack to save will when she moves in for a second kiss at the end of DMC....
and just like it was implied that Liz's dress sinking to the bottom of the sea didn't actually signify that her life with Will was slowly drinfting away..but just meant that her dress sunk to the bottom of the sea, I wonder why the camera had such focus on that dress....
oh, i am so full of it...
lovethemtigers there is a difference between understanding a conversation and reading too much into various scenes.
I'm not going to argue shipping with you, because Elizabeth chose who she wanted, she stuck by him, and while she and Jack may have had some sort of attraction in DMC, she managed to kill it for both of them when she killed Jack.
Murder tends to ruin relationships, ya know?
I don't think the movie implied that Will was free of the curse at all. It was my understanding, as well as that of those who saw it with me, that Will would have ten years at sea and one day on land to do whatever he pleases. Of course, it would seem that he could bypass this rule simply by standing in a bucket of water. Maybe they could do their thing in a bathtub? Oh well, I'm getting off track. I'm not dense, so if there was such an implication, it was too obscure.
On a related topic, why did Will have to have his heart cut out? Originally that wasn't part of the job description, Davy Jones did that so he wouldn't have to feel pain or whatever, it was his own doing. So why did Will have to before he could be Captain?
Also, what kind of curse is being turned into a fish person? The cursed pirates in COTBP could feel no pleasure from material things, but all that happened to Davy Jones is that he became ugly. I mean, I wouldn't want to be like that, but I hardly think it matters to Davy Jones.
Exactly hkitty, It is very clearly stated in the movie. He will not be free, no matter if Liz is or isn't faithful to him. Will's faith is to sail the sees as Capt. of the FD until judgment day, that is until some one stabs the heart. This movie is not the same as the Flying Dutchman opera, if it is that would be plagiarism. TnT know better than that. They are just playing with people over at wordplayer. They are saying the things that people want to hear.
The great thing (and sucky thing) about movies is that no matter what the writer and director's intentions, all that matters is how the fans interpret it. What they intended really doesn't matter in the long run. If you believe that after 10 years Will is free, that's great. I like happy endings and I would rather he be free after that time to enjoy his wife and child and they enjoy him. It also lets me fantasize about my trio going on more adventures.
If you believe Will is fated to sail forever, 10 years on, one day off, then that's great, too. It's a statement to true love and dedication and is the bittersweet ending befitting of an epic. The writers say Will is freed, but you don't have to believe that if you got something different out of it. They aren't perfect. The world is interpretative, the film world more so. See the movie and make your own educated analysis.
yes...i'm just a little confused by all of this....if Will is free of the curse...then who is the Captain of the Flying Dutchman..because the Dutchman must have Captain..and if there's no heart, there's no Captain...so how can Will be freed from his curse...I think the green flash just indicated that for ONE DAY he can return to the land of the living...every 10 years.....
but as I stated in another thread......how can Will enjoy the touch and love of a woman as an immortal...but Barbossa and his crew coudln't in COTBP.....because he clearly tells Elizabeth that as an immortal they are neither dead nor living..they can't enjoy the pleasures of life..like eating, drinking and the touch/love of a woman.......
And Misty...you are right.....when Tia Dalma explains the life/curse of Davy Jones to Will and Jack and the bunch in DMC in her cabin...she clearly said that "He carved him heart Out" because the pain of living without her was more than he could bear.....so.....Why does Will have to carve his heart out..why......i just don't get it.....
See, and then on the other hand...if someone stabs Will's heart..then he is truly Dead...like Davy Jones....
None of this makes any sense to me....
Barbossa couldn't feel because his curse wasn't that of immortality. It was a cursed immortal life. He can't die, but part of the curse is that he goes unsatisfied. The curse prevents him from savoring food and drink, feeling warm sun, raindrops, or being able to orgasm in sex. Will's curse is just that he's immortal and he has to find the souls of people who have died at sea. At least that's what I think.