Sorry for responding late. I had to get to sleep because I needed wake up early today. Anyways...
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I'm not trying to discount her victories, but if the bulk of your argument is since Hitmomi beat whoever then she can beat Asuka then IMO that's a bad argument. Especially considering the fight was ambigous, we did not see her display anything. I'm simply giving her somethings because I'm not a pedantic person.Said person does not fight like Asuka, and we do not know how the fight went down. Do you honestly believe that Jannlee has the same approach in fighting as Asuka? And, I never stated Asuka can defeat Hitomi with soley her blows.
I never said she couldn't, but the way you put it as that Hitomi defending some blows means she wins. Unless, there's more to your argument, that's really not much. Besides, Jann lee performed some of his strongest move during that time. It's not like hitomi was hit by flying jumping kicks every second.
Still, she jumped from Tokyo Tower and [B]survived
. And, she was kicking of walls whilst carrying her weight plus a bikes. That's good enough to convince me that she has more leg power. [/B]
Yes, I was just bringing up someone with comparable or greater power. I used his strikes because that is how Asuka would have to use her greater power.
I don't really see how Asuka's bike riding and Jin punching is honestly any more substantial. It's not like she literally jumped straight to the bottom like Kasumi.(or Geese 😖hifty: ) She didn't kick off walls. She just rolled to progressively lower levels and picked up the cat. Most of this honestly amounts to a more durable crotch since that where the impact of the landing would be.
Originally posted by Xenogears
Asuka has shown better strength and durability feats. Placing third in DOA3 or beating Jann Lee (doubtful of those anyway, where's the proof that she did) is not saying much about Hitomi's strength or durability.
Like Emperor Ashtar, I was trying not to nitpick. However, if you want me to, I could easily say that Asuka never punched Jin since we know her ending didn't take place. I don't really want to be like that though.
Anyways, I've got to make a 2 hr ride now 🙁 . See you guys later.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Yes, but saying Asuka wins because two ambiguous events is a little more empty than using Hitomi's previous victories in my opinion.
Originally posted by StyleTimeDoubtful? She HAD to defeat Lee to even get her rank in the tournament.
Like Emperor Ashtar, I was trying not to nitpick. However, if you want me to, I could easily say that Asuka never punched Jin since we know her ending didn't take place. I don't really want to be like that though.
That wasn't my point, we do not know what happened during said fight. I clearly saw Jin get punched several feet, but what did Hitomi do to jannlee besides win?
Not to mention that if beating Jannlee is your argument then this is A>B>C logic in the making.
Originally posted by StyleTime
I don't really see how Asuka's bike riding and Jin punching is honestly any more substantial. It's not like she literally jumped straight to the bottom like Kasumi.(or Geese 😖hifty: ) She didn't kick off walls.
Actually, she did kick of walls right after grabbing the cat and she survived a jump from Tokyo Tower.
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Kasumi isn't relevant to this match, and Geese died from his fall.
That feat is more then Hitomi's demonstrated.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar- Emperor Ashtar
What ambigous events are you referring to?
All of the events I'm taking about are clearly illustrated in the game E.G.: Asuka displaying her leg power by jumping across the Tokyo Sky-line, and Asuka displaying her punching power when she sent Jin flying. There's nothing ambigous about those since they were clearly illustrated. Hitomi on the otherhand has nothing, but an unseen fight with JanleeThat wasn't my point, we do not know what happened during said fight. I clearly saw Jin get punched several feet, but what did Hitomi do to jannlee besides win?
Not to mention that if beating Jannlee is your argument then this is A>B>C logic in the making.
Actually, she did kick of walls right after grabbing the cat and she survived a jump from Tokyo Tower.
YouTube videoKasumi isn't relevant to this match, and Geese died from his fall.
That feat is more then Hitomi's demonstrated.
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Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
What ambigous events are you referring to?
All of the events I'm taking about are clearly illustrated in the game E.G.: Asuka displaying her leg power by jumping across the Tokyo Sky-line, and Asuka displaying her punching power when she sent Jin flying. There's nothing ambigous about those since they were clearly illustrated. Hitomi on the otherhand has nothing, but an unseen fight with JanleeThat wasn't my point, we do not know what happened during said fight. I clearly saw Jin get punched several feet, but what did Hitomi do to jannlee besides win?
Not to mention that if beating Jannlee is your argument then this is A>B>C logic in the making.
Actually, she did kick of walls right after grabbing the cat and she survived a jump from Tokyo Tower.
Kasumi isn't relevant to this match, and Geese died from his fall.
That feat is more then Hitomi's demonstrated.
It's still a win. We know she can defeat fighters of Asuka's caliber because of it.
That was directed at Xenogears.
I only presented Kasumi to demonstrate actually falling from a skyscraper instead of rolling down varying structures. The comment I made concerning Geese was in jest, hence the smiley. I wish to keep this discussion a lighthearted one.
Originally posted by Xenogears
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Originally posted by StyleTimeYou probably didn't understand what we meant. Asuka jumped off a skyscraper with her bike demonstrating her leg power. Rolling down slant surfaces has nothing to do with the fact that she jumped high off a scryscraper using her leg muscles.
It's ambiguous because that bike riding feat isn't quite as magnificent as you'd have us believe. She is clearly rolling downwards on slanted surfaces. I'll admit she's strong, but not to the extent to which you credit her. Regarding her confrontation with Jin, she reared back and struck Jin with all her might. Do you really think that will work on a fully capable opponent who didn't just regain consciousness? You maintain that Jann Lee's strikes were his strongest and probably didn't connect with Hitomi for the duration of the match. Why would you hold Asuka in a different regard?It's still a win. We know she can defeat fighters of Asuka's caliber because of it.
That was directed at Xenogears.
I only presented Kasumi to demonstrate actually falling from a skyscraper instead of rolling down varying structures. The comment I made concerning Geese was in jest, hence the smiley. I wish to keep this discussion a lighthearted one.
Well....uh thanks for that Xenogears.
Jin didn't just regain consciousness. He was conscious for a good 20 seconds or so before Asuka struck him. You can nitpick all you want about it not being canon. That won't change the fact that it demonstrates her strength nonetheless. It's not like she recieved a power grade after Jin landed on her bust, so that argument is out of the window.
The fight between Hitomi and Jann Lee has never been seen. In fact none of her fights with DOA characters have. Hitomi has no showings of her strength and durability or even her speed. Asuka does, and her feats put her considerably above Hitomi since not only are they impressive but Hitomi has no feats displaying her attributes.
Originally posted by StyleTime
It's ambiguous because that bike riding feat isn't quite as magnificent as you'd have us believe. She is clearly rolling downwards on slanted surfaces. I'll admit she's strong, but not to the extent to which you credit her.
What exactly is ambigous about jumping off Tokyo tower and not dying?
The point of the feat is to show that she's capable of taking the shock from high impacts on her legs. I'm not really concerned if riding bikes on sky-scrappers is impressive nor is it a deciding factor in said fight. My point is Asuka has the advantage in leg power, and a nice Solid Kick or Sweep can hurt Hitomi.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Regarding her confrontation with Jin, she reared back and struck Jin with all her might. Do you really think that will work on a fully capable opponent who didn't just regain consciousness? You maintain that Jann Lee's strikes were his strongest and probably didn't connect with Hitomi for the duration of the match. Why would you hold Asuka in a different regard?
Because we actually Witnessed Asuka hit Jin versus Hitomi fighitng Jannlee. We do not know how Hitomi reacted to Jannlee's hits. Also, regardless of jins state that punch Asuka performed was not a normal one. Because Normal punches do not send human beings flying several feet. Even if Hitomi defends against said punch a direct blow will still do her damage. Unless your arguing that Hitomi is asome kind of fighter who can tank any hits asuka performs without being worn out.
Originally posted by StyleTime
It's still a win. We know she can defeat fighters of Asuka's caliber because of it.
You elude the fact that anyone can defeat anyone if the writer wills it. When a fight ignores specific character stats and gives a victory to an obviously weaker fighter it's called jobbing. Tell me, what exactly does Hitomi have that allowed her to beat Jannlee?
Never-mind that Jannlee has: Better Featsand a Better Fighting History.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Still more than Hitomi, what has she done?
She managed to beat people up in DOA until she fought Hayate. And in all probability she might have been able to beat him up, but since she's a klutz she probably tripped on her ass and was inmediately DQed.
Besides why ask me when you know what I'm going to answer and you will inmediately run to your "Writters can make anything happen so it's crap" argument.