Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Proof please, show me hitomi dodging said blows. And, you keep mentioning an ambigous fight with Jann lee despite the fact the fight doesn't prove anything except that the writers wanted her to win. Do you realize that anyone can be written a victory regardless of stats?
It's called jobbing, and game versus seems to have a problem admitting that it happens.Never said she didn't, but the punch was powerful no less. And, the punch was not slow, stop with the minimalizing Styletime.
What hits, post them.
Post the video or proof stating that she dodge quick blows.
Doesn't matter, feats are needed to gauge fights in versus. Unless Hitomi had some victories in her back-story, I would understand, but no feat/lack of feats victories are suspect. I never ever take them regardless of who it is.
Your going by ranking, I'm going by feats. Jannlee has feats, hitomi does not.
I don't see how it's jobbing when not only was it Hitomi's first showing, but it's not like she walked in and took out Omega. She trained and beat other fighters.
The punch was slow as far as combat is concerned. You or I could have moved out of the way of Asuka's punch.
Considering her speed prior to the tournament, beating Jann Lee isn't out of the question.
Hitomi is faster and more agile. Her rank just shows she has the skills to utilize her abilities properly. You know as well as I do that strength doesn't always give a victory.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Yeah, because beating people isn't a feat, not after JIN, TERRY, and FLAMERS proved how prevalent jobbing is in Game versus. Not to mention that it's an A>B>C logic in the making.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Woops. I forgot you sold all your DOA stuff. 😮
http://youtube.com/watch?v=L6wAgKy4dwQI don't see how it's jobbing when not only was it Hitomi's first showing, but it's not like she walked in and took out Omega. She trained and beat other fighters.
C'mon, so doing some flips against a Karate Ka put her on par with jann lee? What does she demonstrated that Jannlee hasn't in such way that he would be in a disadvantage in a fight. Hust answer that on question for me.
Originally posted by StyleTime
The punch was slow as far as combat is concerned. You or I could have moved out of the way of Asuka's punch.
It has a slow star up, but doesn't mean it's not applicable in a fight.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Hitomi is faster and more agile. Her rank just shows she has the skills to utilize her abilities properly. You know as well as I do that strength doesn't always give a victory.
Neither does speed, and Asuka kicking of a wall isn't a testament of her agility? Maybe to you it's not as impressive as hitomi performing a back flip sommersault, but flying across the tokyo Sky-line with a bike is pretty agile to me.
Originally posted by StyleTime
We bring up Jann Lee really to show that Hitomi can deal with superior strength.
My problem is not because your bring up the fight. It's because your using it as the bulk of your argument. Your basing to much on an ambigous fight.
Originally posted by Xenogears
Thought I should just mention that there's no proof Jann Lee was as strong in DOA3 as he was in DOA4. I believe Hitomi defeated him in DOA3. Also, where's the proof that Hitomi placed third in a tournament let alone that she beat Lee, not that it really matters.
Are you kidding me? He was punching trees apart in DOA2.
Give me a break.
Look for it yourself, Xeno. It's a common knowledge she placed 3rd, and it was probably in one of Itagaki's many interviews that he made the comment. However I don't feel like wasting my time searching through every single one of his interviews. The guy gives away interviews on a weekly basis....>_>;
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I never said it was the deciding factor in a fight, no one thing is. It's an advantage during said fight, and coupled with the other advantages asuka has she wins.
So what are these other advantages? Her punch "feat" and bike stunt only demonstrate her strength. In what other areas does she outclass Hitomi? Experience's probably not.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
C'mon, so doing some flips against a Karate Ka put her on par with jann lee? What does she demonstrated that Jannlee hasn't in such way that he would be in a disadvantage in a fight. Hust answer that on question for me.It has a slow star up, but doesn't mean it's not applicable in a fight.
Neither does speed, and Asuka kicking of a wall isn't a testament of her agility? Maybe to you it's not as impressive as hitomi performing a back flip sommersault, but flying across the tokyo Sky-line with a bike is pretty agile to me.
My problem is not because your bring up the fight. It's because your using it as the bulk of your argument. Your basing to much on an ambigous fight.
It basically would only be applicable in the situation Asuka used it in. Against a stunned opponent, a punch like that could be used to finish the fight. Against a lucid opponent, especially one who can dodge like Hitomi, it's pretty much useless.
She was just skidding down rooftops though.
The fight means Hitomi can effectively use her assets to defeat a stronger foe. It's not really the bulk. I am using it in conjuction with Hitomi's speed. It's no less substantial than saying Asuka wins because of one punch.
Originally posted by Xenogears
Thought I should just mention that there's no proof Jann Lee was as strong in DOA3 as he was in DOA4. I believe Hitomi won against him in DOA3. Also, where's the proof that Hitomi placed third in a tournament let alone that she beat Lee, not that it really matters.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
So what are these other advantages? Her punch "feat" and bike stunt only demonstrate her strength. In what other areas does she outclass Hitomi? Experience's probably not.
Superior Leg Power-So, her kicks will hurt badly and probably break something. Hitomi would have to be cautous of her strikes since there backed up by such power. Asuka is good at close range and low kicks with that kind of power can be a problem
Superior Punching power-I doubt asuka can hit hitomi with these on a regular basis, but a nice solid punch on Hitomi should cut on her stamina a good deal. Though, I still give hitomi the advantage on ranged attacks by far. Though, I don'tbelieve Hitomi can match her power.
Up close Asuka has the advantage being a grappler and all. She can do her best damage from that distance, and if Asuka Grabs Hitomi then she's in a world of pain. Also, I believe Asuka has the advantage on the ground. I'm not sure if she's has an arsenal of ground grappling attacks, but she's better of then hitomi.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Performing hand springs and back tucks are nigh impossible in a real fight situation. They require virtually superhuman reflexes, speed, an agility to be effective. Jann Lee hasn't ever demonstrated speed on on this level.
Originally posted by StyleTimeTrue, but her regular Punch can't be that far from that kind of punch. It's still safe to assume that she has the advantage on punching over hitomi.
It basically would only be applicable in the situation Asuka used it in. Against a stunned opponent, a punch like that could be used to finish the fight. Against a lucid opponent, especially one who can dodge like Hitomi, it's pretty much useless.
Originally posted by StyleTime
She was just skidding down rooftops though.
She still jumped off Tokyo Tower.
Originally posted by StyleTime
The fight means Hitomi can effectively use her assets to defeat a stronger foe. It's not really the bulk. I am using it in conjuction with Hitomi's speed. It's no less substantial than saying Asuka wins because of one punch.
The fight is ambigous, and does not show or mention anyting.
Originally posted by StyleTimeShe did one lousy flip to avoid a trip by her dad. How does that require superhuman reflexes? 😆 Hell I could've just jumped up to avoid that trip. Hitomi is not faster than Jann Lee.
Performing hand springs and back tucks are nigh impossible in a real fight situation. They require virtually superhuman reflexes, speed, an agility to be effective. Jann Lee hasn't ever demonstrated speed on on this level.It basically would only be applicable in the situation Asuka used it in. Against a stunned opponent, a punch like that could be used to finish the fight. Against a lucid opponent, especially one who can dodge like Hitomi, it's pretty much useless.
She was just skidding down rooftops though.
The fight means Hitomi can effectively use her assets to defeat a stronger foe. It's not really the bulk. I am using it in conjuction with Hitomi's speed. It's no less substantial than saying Asuka wins because of one punch.
Jann Lee exploded a tree in DOA2. He was always a strong fighter.
She can dodge for a bit. Eventually, she's going to get messed up considering Asuka's strength. We know how hard Asuka's punches are, and she's demonstrated better strength as well as speed than Hitomi in fact. With that, we can conclude Asuka will win against Hitomi.
When she jumped off one of the rooftops to save the cat, she was going pretty damn fast. She wasn't sliding down a roof then.
Asuka has better speed and strength feats. Hitomi has no damn feats besides her little flip that she did against her dad. Also note how that one kick by her dad sent her flying to the ground, and his kick was probably a third as strong as Asuka's punch (that's being damn generous). Also, her punch seemed slow because she was saying a whole sentence while she was doing it. That's pointing out the obvious.
Doesn't really matter in this match does it.
Originally posted by Xenogears
She did one lousy flip to avoid a trip by her dad. How does that require superhuman reflexes? 😆 Hell I could've just jumped up to avoid that trip. Hitomi is not faster than Jann Lee.She can dodge for a bit. Eventually, she's going to get messed up considering Asuka's strength. We know how hard Asuka's punches are, and she's demonstrated better strength as well as speed than Hitomi in fact. With that, we can conclude Asuka will win against Hitomi.
When she jumped off one of the rooftops to save the cat, she was going pretty damn fast. She wasn't sliding down a roof then.
Asuka has better speed and strength feats. Hitomi has no damn feats besides her little flip that she did against her dad. Also note how that one kick by her dad sent her flying to the ground, and his kick was probably a third as strong as Asuka's punch (that's being damn generous). Also, her punch seemed slow because she was saying a whole sentence while she was doing it. That's pointing out the obvious.
Doesn't really matter in this match does it.
With the exception of the minimalizing of Hitomi's agility, I'm going to have to agree with this assessment.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Depends on the situation, if your opponent is stunned a spring hand would be perfect against him. Plus, it was a trademark of Brucelee who was a famous Street Fighter in Hong kong.True, but her regular Punch can't be that far from that kind of punch. It's still safe to assume that she has the advantage on punching over hitomi.
She still jumped off Tokyo Tower.
The fight is ambigous, and does not show or mention anyting.
She may have the punching power advantage. However, so did Jann Lee. His punches are also faster than hers.
Yes.
Most fights aren't shown. Noone questions how Paul beat Ogre or how Jin beat Heihachi and Kazuya. Before Jin did what he did, noone would argue that he could beat both of them simultaneously.
Originally posted by Xenogears
She did one lousy flip to avoid a trip by her dad. How does that require superhuman reflexes? 😆 Hell I could've just jumped up to avoid that trip. Hitomi is not faster than Jann Lee.She can dodge for a bit. Eventually, she's going to get messed up considering Asuka's strength. We know how hard Asuka's punches are, and she's demonstrated better strength as well as speed than Hitomi in fact. With that, we can conclude Asuka will win against Hitomi.
When she jumped off one of the rooftops to save the cat, she was going pretty damn fast. She wasn't sliding down a roof then.
Asuka has better speed and strength feats. Hitomi has no damn feats besides her little flip that she did against her dad. Also note how that one kick by her dad sent her flying to the ground, and his kick was probably a third as strong as Asuka's punch (that's being damn generous). Also, her punch seemed slow because she was saying a whole sentence while she was doing it. That's pointing out the obvious.
Doesn't really matter in this match does it.
She has never demonstrated more speed than Hitomi. Jann Lee is strong too, but he could take Hitomi. Why would Asuka's attacks suddenly do more damage?
She was on a bicycle. Of course she was going fast.
Asuka has better strength. That's it. Hitomi was faster and more agile while she was still in training. What is obvious is that Asuka reared back for the punch. Any human with a day of striking experience will be able to move out of the way. For someone like Hitomi, she wouldn't even need to think about it. It would be reflex to dodge something like that.
....You were the one who questioned Jann Lee's strength.
Originally posted by StyleTime
A spring hand? I meant hand spring. As in the flip. I can't really comment on the punch. Although, we shouldn't bring up Bruce Lee. He has ONE documented fight against another overrated martial artist. He was mostly myth and hype.
Not true, Bruce lee was documented fighitng against many people in the Streets of Hong Kong. Back when he was alive, many chinese movie studios would offer movie contracts to anyone who could beat him. Sure, he isn't as godly as some make him out to be, but he's a legend nonetheless and a very skilled fighter.
Originally posted by StyleTime
She may have the punching power advantage. However, so did Jann Lee. His punches are also faster than hers.
And, she won which is my problem. . . Hence my point.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Most fights aren't shown. Noone questions how Paul beat Ogre
Originally posted by StyleTime
Jin beat Heihachi and Kazuya. Before Jin did what he did, noone would argue that he could beat both of them simultaneously..
I've been calling B.S. on Jin since day one.