Eternity with the IG vs. Living Tribunal

Can Eternity step up to the big man and reach back with is infinity gauntlet-bearing hand and pimp slap LT?

Obviously this assumes that the gems work in unison.

and before someone mentions that LT had warlock under control, the wielder of the gauntlet this time is not some artificial being.

also, infinity + infinity = infinity arguments don't apply, in this particular instance. Reason being, definitions of infinity are relative to the one observing. the infinite power of warlock was ultimately shown to back down to the ultimate power of LT. However, relative to an IG-wielding warlock, an IG-wielding Eternity would, by logical reasoning, be more powerful. reason being is that the IG has not ever shown to limit anyone's power, only enhance. Therefore it would go with reason that IG-Warlock << IG-Eternity: their base is the same relative to "normal" observers, like the silver surfer or thanos, namely total omnipotence. That's where the infinity + infinity argument applies. However their ceiling is different, relative to "supreme" observers, in this instance, LT himself. That's where the infinity + infinity argument no longer applies.

long-ass discourse aside, who takes it???

very tough to call i wanna say living tribunal still but the gauntlet could put him over the top i really dont know yet to close to call let me think on it

Originally posted by Tenebrous
Can Eternity step up to the big man and reach back with is infinity gauntlet-bearing hand and pimp slap LT?

Obviously this assumes that the gems work in unison.

and before someone mentions that LT had warlock under control, the wielder of the gauntlet this time is not some artificial being.

also, infinity + infinity = infinity arguments don't apply, in this particular instance. Reason being, definitions of infinity are relative to the one observing. the infinite power of warlock was ultimately shown to back down to the ultimate power of LT. However, relative to an IG-wielding warlock, an IG-wielding Eternity would, by logical reasoning, be more powerful. reason being is that the IG has not ever shown to limit anyone's power, only enhance. Therefore it would go with reason that IG-Warlock << IG-Eternity: their base is the same relative to "normal" observers, like the silver surfer or thanos, namely total omnipotence. That's where the infinity + infinity argument applies. However their ceiling is different, relative to "supreme" observers, in this instance, LT himself. That's where the infinity + infinity argument no longer applies.

long-ass discourse aside, who takes it???

Good evening

No one is above LT save his boss, TOAA

LT FTW

The LT is above the Infinity Gauntlet....with a snap of his fingers...he made them to never work in unison again. With that said...he could do the same to whomever wields it. Eternity would need the HOTI in order to beat the LT. The IG would not be nearly enough.

LT with ease.

i dont know about the living tribunal with ease becuz i believe i haven t read it in a while bu ti think with adam warlock with the gems and tribunal went out at it they said it would destroy the universe. imagine adding that to eternitys power. hes right under tribunal with that it might put him over the top. this is still to tough for me to call as of yet.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
The LT is above the Infinity Gauntlet....with a snap of his fingers...he made them to never work in unison again. With that said...he could do the same to whomever wields it. Eternity would need the HOTI in order to beat the LT. The IG would not be nearly enough.

Not necessarily. He didn't snap his fingers when he was confronting Adam Warlock. In fact, Tribunal hesitated, ever so slightly, while he was deciding between his three faces whether to act against warlock or not.

I think the decree for the gems never to work again came from TOAA directly. Can't remember exactly but I'm pretty sure that's it.

Eternity would be able to use the power better then a Adam Warlock or Thanos. He has 7 intelligence

stalemate

Originally posted by golem370
Eternity would be able to use the power better then a Adam Warlock or Thanos. He has 7 intelligence

Originally posted by Tenebrous
Not necessarily. He didn't snap his fingers when he was confronting Adam Warlock. In fact, Tribunal hesitated, ever so slightly, while he was deciding between his three faces whether to act against warlock or not.

I think the decree for the gems never to work again came from TOAA directly. Can't remember exactly but I'm pretty sure that's it.

Originally posted by guy222

Warlock poses the question to LT if he has the power to wrest the gauntlet from him (warlock).

LT says nothing for two panels....as ridiculous as that sounds, that's LT thinking to himself, for two entire panels (again, as absurd as that sounds, but this is LT, so two panels is an "Eternity" if you will-and three panels if you count Eternity asking LT to finally make a decision) if he has the power to overcome the IG. And that's the IG on Adam Warlock 🙂

Originally posted by Tenebrous

Warlock poses the question to LT if he has the power to wrest the gauntlet from him (warlock).

LT says nothing for two panels....as ridiculous as that sounds, that's LT thinking to himself, for two entire panels (again, as absurd as that sounds, but this is LT, so two panels is an "Eternity" if you will-and three panels if you count Eternity asking LT to finally make a decision) if he has the power to overcome the IG. And that's the IG on Adam Warlock

IMO, based on another account between the LT and the IG,

the LT was determining if he had the "Power" as in "Authority" ...

This is the Rune/IG scenerio:

Surfer says,

"I know it is IN your Power to STOP this creature,

so I suggest you do so yourself"

LT says,

"For this SELF to ACT, ALL THREE FACES MUST AGREE ...

the Choice is yours, Surfer, BUT the Judgement, as always, is MINE"

So based on this I believe that's why the LT hesitated, because,

"for this self to act, all three faces must agree"

Originally posted by Tenebrous

Warlock poses the question to LT if he has the power to wrest the gauntlet from him (warlock).

LT says nothing for two panels....as ridiculous as that sounds, that's LT thinking to himself, for two entire panels (again, as absurd as that sounds, but this is LT, so two panels is an "Eternity" if you will-and three panels if you count Eternity asking LT to finally make a decision) if he has the power to overcome the IG. And that's the IG on Adam Warlock 🙂

Great issue

🙂

Marvel 7 intelligences is Immeasurable

Originally posted by Mr Master
IMO, based on another account between the LT and the IG,

the LT was determining if he had the "Power" as in "Authority" ...

This is the Rune/IG scenerio:

Surfer says,

"I know it is IN your Power to STOP this creature,

so I suggest you do so yourself"

LT says,

"For this SELF to ACT, ALL THREE FACES MUST AGREE ...

the Choice is yours, Surfer, BUT the Judgement, as always, is MINE"

So based on this I believe that's why the LT hesitated, because,

[B]"for this self to act, all three faces must agree" [/B]

In regards to Rune...based on my argument/opinion above, LT could stop RUNE with the IG....but a higher being with the IG? Which transitions into what I think concerning LT's decision process:

The three faces have to agree...but why did they not agree in unison immediately? Simple answer, at least one face either said "no" or didn't give an answer. That's deliberation on the part of any tribunal....trying to come up with the right answer.

In regards to authority vs. power...LT stated in the scan Guy provided above that he represents powers that dwarf the IG. Meaning he represents powers whose AUTHORITY also dwarfs the IG. IMO, since he represents powers whose authority dwarfs the IG, that would intrinsically give LT the authority to wrest the gauntlet from warlock. Now in the process of deciding about wresting the gauntlet, at least one of the three faces, Equity, Necessity, or Vengeance, either said no or took its time deciding. In any case, in his omniscience, LT still hesitated. That, IMO speaks volumes. and going back to the theme of the post....LT was facing an IG wielded by Adam Warlock. What about an IG wielded by Eternity? that's where the intrigue lies, IMO.

Originally posted by Tenebrous
In regards to Rune...based on my argument/opinion above, LT could stop RUNE with the IG....but a higher being with the IG? Which transitions into what I think concerning LT's decision process:

The three faces have to agree...but why did they not agree in unison immediately? Simple answer, at least one face either said "no" or didn't give an answer. That's deliberation on the part of any tribunal....trying to come up with the right answer.

In regards to authority vs. power...LT stated in the scan Guy provided above that he represents powers that dwarf the IG. Meaning he represents powers whose AUTHORITY also dwarfs the IG. IMO, since he represents powers whose authority dwarfs the IG, that would intrinsically give LT the authority to wrest the gauntlet from warlock. Now in the process of deciding about wresting the gauntlet, at least one of the three faces, Equity, Necessity, or Vengeance, either said no or took its time deciding. In any case, in his omniscience, LT still hesitated. That, IMO speaks volumes. and going back to the theme of the post....LT was facing an IG wielded by Adam Warlock. What about an IG wielded by Eternity? that's where the intrigue lies, IMO.

I understand where your coming from and it makes sense but,

LT wins this in a curbstomp.

The IG gives you power over the six major facets of Reality,

Mind, Soul, Power, Time, Space and Reality.

(that's it, it's scale of influence does not fluxuate) (just look at Nebula)

Eternity/Infinity (together) are those six facets personified,

so basically Eternity would have dominion over facets that are a part of him already.

IMO, the IG would make Eternity slightly more powerful,

like as powerful as Thanos, Warlock and Nebula were with the IG,

which is more powerful than Eternity.

The being possessing the IG has nothing to do with LT's ability to "turn it off". 😬

The LT is above the IG itself...no matter who wields the artifact....LT is above it. Think of it sort of this way....if Batman shot Superman with a shotgun....what would happen?...nothing...Superman is above that kind of power. What would happen if Spectre shot Superman with that same shotgun....nothing...Superman is above the shotgun's ability to harm him.

I realize that the IG is a little different...but the same concept still applies...the LT is above the artifact itself...so no matter who wields it...it could never harm him. The IG is actually not too far above Eternity in terms of power, IMO....so, basically it would be LT fighting two maybe three Eternity's at once.....in terms of power.

Lt can turn off the gauntlet-then why say it would lay waste to the universe?

When LT made the decision that they never be used again together-was their a user wielding it trying to stop him? and werent they used together after that ? at least two at a time if you count reed in illuminati?
and rune?

IMO there is definetly a difference between the users of the IG and how it is used