Eternity with the IG vs. Living Tribunal

Originally posted by Mr Master
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I doubt that,

616 Eternity and "Multi-Eternity" are the same consciousness, as are All Eternitys.

I don't doubt it actually it was Darthgoober that with this post maked me wonder:

Hey Galan, here's a mind bender for you...

When Eternity was petitioning for Thanos to be stripped of the IG, it was the Universal aspect, right? Well, what if he had been successful and the Gauntlet were turned over to him(Eternity)? Would it have went to the Multiversal aspect of Eternity, or the Universal aspect? Because if it went to the Universal aspect, he would then be MORE powerful than Multi-Eternity. But the Universal Eternity seemed as though he actually wanted it for himself, he made no mention of wanting to hand over to the greater whole of the Multiverse. He kept saying things like "Am 'I' not the sum of all there is". :

IMO that is an M-Body which is determined by how much input Eternity wants and how much skill the M-body has in representing the said abstract- it is not Eternity itself just a representation

Info is in Quasar #37 i believe, it is a great read for info on M-bodies
Even LT has them

Originally posted by King Kandy
MM, remember, PROVE he's wrong. Don't just say it.

He only says it because he doesnt have the on panel evidence, or even the handbooks to prove his OPINION. He has outdated scans and ambiguous statements which can just as easily be used to prove my interpretation, hence them being inconclusive. 👇

The difference between the two of us is that i do not indulge in fantasy and supposition, my interpretation takes into consideration previous and current canon i.e on panel events and statements and the points im trying to make are for the most part flat out stated and on top of that have support within handbooks. 🙂

Eh. These two have argued over the same thing in tons of threads.

Search Function shows that much.

Debates between the two won't ever end. 3rd parties are the only way to determine who's right, IMO.

Originally posted by Utrigita
When Eternity was petitioning for Thanos to be stripped of the IG, it was the Universal aspect, right? Well, what if he had been successful and the Gauntlet were turned over to him(Eternity)? Would it have went to the Multiversal aspect of Eternity, or the Universal aspect? Because if it went to the Universal aspect, he would then be MORE powerful than Multi-Eternity. But the Universal Eternity seemed as though he actually wanted it for himself, he made no mention of wanting to hand over to the greater whole of the Multiverse. He kept saying things like "Am 'I' not the sum of all there is". :

Universal Eternity says, "Am 'I' not the sum of all there is"

because he is the Multiverse and the Universe simultaneously consciously speaking,

obviously Eternity's Totality (the Multiverse) is far beyond his Aspect (a Universe) in power,

but it's the same exact being.

When your points have been left uncountered and people try to ignore them THEN you can repost. 😄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
There were times when Eternity was presented as the universe(which is the most consistent and popular portrayal), times where he was presented as a multiverse, and times where he was portrayed as a psuedo multiverse, (a universe but due to the countless dimensions within him, he was called a multiverse. )

The most recent and most numerous canon portrayals of Eternity state that he is a universe. The latest handbooks make him out to be a universe. Your evidence is outdated and contradicted by numerous recent, canon accounts.

Here in the [B]00's (as opposed to the 80's) a clear distinction is made between Multi-Eternity and Eternity:

Here is Eternitys bio from 2006:

By your logic as its been stated on panel that Galactus is the most powerful being in the universe, regardless of how old the source, regardless of how many times that account has been contradicted on panel, Galactus is still the most powerful force in reality 🤨

That will be all. 😱 [/B]

Eternity is but one Universe. And the IG isn't Even strong enough to defeat the MultiEternity. So what in the hell would they do to the LT? Nothing. They would get ***** slapped into oblivion and the gems would be cracked into crushed candy

No the IG is stronger the Multieternity for one reason

A wielder of the IG can withstand a blast from the UN
Multieternity cannot

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Eternity is but one Universe. And the IG isn't Even strong enough to defeat the MultiEternity. So what in the hell would they do to the LT? Nothing. They would get ***** slapped into oblivion and the gems would be cracked into crushed candy

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Originally posted by Mr Master
Universal Eternity says, "Am 'I' not the sum of all there is"

because he is the Multiverse and the Universe simultaneously consciously speaking,

obviously Eternity's Totality (the Multiverse) is far beyond his Aspect (a Universe) in power,

but it's the same exact being.

So we must assume that every time eternity is speaking it is multieternity speaking as well 😕

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"I am the Spirit of the Universe that once existed here ... hear my plea"

Eternity let's it be known he's died, and prefers to keep it this way.

Eternity explains that THIS Universe is just ONE of his Aspects,

of a "nigh-Infinite" amount of Eternitys. (the Multiverse or "Multi-Eternity" ... )

If THIS SINGLE Universe is claiming to be the TOTALITY of a "Nigh-Infinite" amount of Aspects

(Other ENTIRE separate UniverseS)

then it is logical to undestand that "Multi-Eternity" or the Totality of Eternity

are One in the SAME with ALL of his Aspects (Single UniverseS)

(Or ONE Consciousness)

whistling

ON PANEL>>>>>>>>>>>>Bio

Originally posted by Utrigita
No the IG is stronger the Multieternity for one reason

A wielder of the IG can withstand a blast from the UN
Multieternity cannot

But then your argument works on the assumption that the IG directly reset the multiverse. Thats unproven and that notion contradicted in the handbooks. By resetting 616 Eternity and making it so Abraxas never existed all the damage he did across the multiverse would never have occurred. Given the handbooks mark out the UN as universal, as does its consistent portrayal in continuity that is more likely the case. It never directly reached out across the whole multiverse and remade. Thats never been stated, only presumed by fans who saw the damage across the multiverse rectified, however my interpretation explains that. My interpretation is also supported by previous continuity and the handbooks.

Originally posted by Utrigita
So we must assume that every time eternity is speaking it is multieternity speaking as well

That's exactly correct.

Originally posted by Mr Master
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"I am the Spirit of the Universe that once existed here ... hear my plea"

Eternity let's it be known he's died, and prefers to keep it this way.

Eternity explains that THIS Universe is just ONE of his Aspects,

of a "nigh-Infinite" amount of Eternitys. (the Multiverse or "Multi-Eternity" ... )

If THIS SINGLE Universe is claiming to be the TOTALITY of a "Nigh-Infinite" amount of Aspects (Other ENTIRE separate UniverseS) then it is logical to undestand that "Multi-Eternity" or the Totality of Eternity are One in the SAME with ALL of his Aspects (Single UniverseS)

(Or ONE Consciousness)

whistling

ON PANEL>>>>>>>>>>>>Bio

Ok. 🙄

Galactus was stated in the 60's to be the most powerful force out there, so let me ignore whats been stated and shown since, present those scans and argue that point. 🤨

What awful logic 😬

Originally posted by Mr Master

ON PANEL>>>>>>>>>>>>Bio

Recent on panel portrayals over the last 15 years + recent bios>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A What If

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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
But then your argument works on the assumption that the IG directly reset the multiverse. Thats unproven and that notion contradicted in the handbooks. By resetting 616 Eternity and making it so Abraxas never existed all the damage he did across the multiverse would never have occurred. Given the handbooks mark out the UN as universal, as does its consistent portrayal in continuity that is more likely the case. It never directly reached out across the whole multiverse and remade. Thats never been stated, only presumed by fans who saw the damage across the multiverse rectified, however my interpretation explains that. My interpretation is also supported by previous continuity and the handbooks.

Everyone in this forum knows the UN reset the Multiverse.

Again,

this is just more proof, that your aim is to downplay/demean every other Feat that stomps Phoenix's.

Don't you get sick of yourself?

Originally posted by Utrigita
No the IG is stronger the Multieternity for one reason

A wielder of the IG can withstand a blast from the UN
Multieternity cannot

Wrong. the Magus NEVER withstood a blast from the UN when it was being used to reset the multiverse. Not a very good example. The blast was used at a single target and it's energy was redirected back upon the user. Never withstood. That is like saying WW withstood the Omega effect when all she really did was redirect it.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Galactus was stated in the 60's to be the most powerful force out there, so let me ignore whats been stated and shown since, present those scans and argue that point. 🤨

What awful logic

Ahh shut up clown.

This has nothing to do with a lack of characters (back in the day)
that places Galactus at that level.

This is a Cosmological Fact, and has nothing to do with hype.

swank

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
But then your argument works on the assumption that the IG directly reset the multiverse. Thats unproven and that notion contradicted in the handbooks. By resetting 616 Eternity and making it so Abraxas never existed all the damage he did across the multiverse would never have occurred. Given the handbooks mark out the UN as universal, as does its consistent portrayal in continuity that is more likely the case. It never directly reached out across the whole multiverse and remade. Thats never been stated, only presumed by fans who saw the damage across the multiverse rectified, however my interpretation explains that. My interpretation is also supported by previous continuity and the handbooks.

No the IG was far more powerful then the UN and thus was capable of "cheating the energies of it.

Yet numorous indications point to the UN beinging a multiversal tool.

http://img350.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2undestroysmultieternityinfini.jpg
looks like multiversal eternity to me ...

also some websites the first one I find highly reliable, for one reason nothing is approved on there database without first being accepted by marvel and the writer in question. The last one more unreliable.

In the Galactus bio: at marveldatabase
http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Galactus
(Right above CHARACTERISTICS)
Galactus easily wrenched the Nullifer from Abraxas, giving it to Mister Fantastic, who used the weapon to destroy the multiverse. The result served to re-create the multiverse in which Abraxas never existed, and since all that was had ended, all that is was realigned.

In Abraxas bio: at marveldatabase
http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Abraxas
(last sentence in his ORIGIN)
Galactus was eventually reconstituted by Franklin Richards who completely burned out his powers in the process. Reed Richards then used the Ultimate Nullifer to destroy the multiverse, and remake one in which Abraxas never existed.

In Galactus bio at wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactus
(last sentence in TEMPORARY DEATH)
Galactus easily reclaimed the Ultimate Nullifier from Abraxas and Reed Richards used it to remake the multiverse into one in which Abraxas never escaped.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Wrong. the Magus NEVER withstood a blast from the UN when it was being used to reset the multiverse. Not a very good example. The blast was used at a single target and it's energy was redirected back upon the user. Never withstood.

Magus completely controlled the energies of the UN.

Nullification energies are the same at any scale.

It all depends on the range you want to influence, but it's the SAME energies that Nullify.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That is like saying WW withstood the Omega effect when all she really did was redirect it.

Can Wonder Woman command/control the OE?

Not the same thing at all.