Originally posted by Utrigita
No the IG was far more powerful then the UN and thus was capable of "cheating the energies of it.Yet numorous indications point to the UN beinging a multiversal tool.
You're completely right, as we ALL in this forum know this to be true.
But I can tell you right now, it will make no difference.
Awaiting the dismissal of your opinion and/or proof with 100% bull shit (you'l see)
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Wrong. the Magus NEVER withstood a blast from the UN when it was being used to reset the multiverse. Not a very good example. The blast was used at a single target and it's energy was redirected back upon the user. Never withstood. That is like saying WW withstood the Omega effect when all she really did was redirect it.
Whether is was to be used on a multiverse ore a wielder of the IG doesn't really matter since the same result happens, the target gets nullified. So more energy nahh different target and different purposes ✅
Originally posted by Mr Master
You're completely right, as we ALL in this forum no this to be true.But I can tell you right now, it will make no difference.
Awaiting the dismissal of your opinion and/or proof with 100% bull shit (you'l see)
we will see, we will see ...
Looks like there is a serious debate underway here
Originally posted by Utrigita
Whether is was to be used on a multiverse ore a wielder of the IG doesn't really matter since the same result happens, the target gets nullified. So more energy nahh different target and different purposes ✅
WRONG. You driving a nascar racer on a rocky hill and Dale driving a nascar on a paved race track have vastly different outcomes. Just becuz the car is the same means nothing. Try that one again. Quasar using the UN to target one person, and Reed using it to reset the multiverse are too differnt to even try to make a power comparison. That is a load of bull and not scientific at all.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Try that one again. Quasar using the UN to target one person, and Reed using it to reset the multiverse are too differnt to even try to make a power comparison. That is a load of bull and not scientific at all.
Again, Nullification energies are the SAME at any range,
the scale of influence is the only difference.
So the potency of energy required to nullify a Universe or a single individual,
is the same as the potency needed to nullify the Multiverse.
Obviously, the scale of nullification is different, but the same Energies are at work.
Originally posted by Utrigita
No the IG was far more powerful then the UN and thus was capable of "cheating the energies of it.Yet numorous indications point to the UN beinging a multiversal tool.
http://img350.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2undestroysmultieternityinfini.jpg
looks like multiversal eternity to me ...also some websites the first one I find highly reliable, for one reason nothing is approved on there database without first being accepted by marvel and the writer in question. The last one more unreliable.
In the Galactus bio: at marveldatabase
http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Galactus
(Right above CHARACTERISTICS)
Galactus easily wrenched the Nullifer from Abraxas, giving it to Mister Fantastic, who used the weapon to destroy the multiverse. The result served to re-create the multiverse in which Abraxas never existed, and since all that was had ended, all that is was realigned.In Abraxas bio: at marveldatabase
http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Abraxas
(last sentence in his ORIGIN)
Galactus was eventually reconstituted by Franklin Richards who completely burned out his powers in the process. Reed Richards then used the Ultimate Nullifer to destroy the multiverse, and remake one in which Abraxas never existed.In Galactus bio at wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactus
(last sentence in TEMPORARY DEATH)
Galactus easily reclaimed the Ultimate Nullifier from Abraxas and Reed Richards used it to remake the multiverse into one in which Abraxas never escaped.
The IG by canon/current continuity derives its power from the universal Big Bang:
The Ig is universal according to on panel statements from one its former wielders and a handbook bio.
None of those are officially endorsed sites, they are fansites. Heres Abraxas' last bio:
"Reed nullified the universe itself. The universe restored itself to its previous normality"
The multiverse was indeed reset, but not directly, thats where everyones gone wrong. 616 was reset, Abraxas nullified, so that meant all he did never happened, all the destruction he wrought across the universe never happened, theres the difference.
Thats why the bios refer to how the universe was nullified and the universe was set right.
Its also why the nullifiers bio refers to how it is a universal power:
"It can potentially destroy an entire universe"
Originally posted by Utrigita
we will see, we will see ...Looks like there is a serious debate underway here
My points stated point blank in officially endorsed material. Reed nullified the universe. The universe was reset. The UN is a universal power. All of those things stated point blank.
Ask Mr Master to provide an official source stating the UN is multiversal 😬
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The IG by canon/current continuity derives its power from the universal Big Bang:
The Ig is universal according to on panel statements from one its former wielders and a handbook bio.None of those are officially endorsed sites, they are fansites. Heres Abraxas' last bio:
"Reed nullified the universe itself. The universe restored itself to its previous normality"
The multiverse was indeed reset, but not directly, thats where everyones gone wrong. 616 was reset, Abraxas nullified, so that meant all he did never happened, all the destruction he wrought across the universe never happened, theres the difference.
Thats why the bios refer to how the universe was nullified and the universe was set right.
Its also why the nullifiers bio refers to how it is a universal power:
"It can potentially destroy an entire universe"
And the bull shit goes on and on and on ...
😆
Nice unreadable scans.
Here Reed says
"our Earth is merging with other Alternates"...
how can this be...unless the entire Multiverse is misaligned.
Here Nova says
"creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself"
again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart.
Finally what does this lead to?
Reed,
"In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was."
What was MISALIGNED that NEEDED to be REALIGNED?
The MULTI-VERSE!
Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier to banish Abraxas & Remake the Multiverse
UN Destroys the Multiverse
UN Remakes the Multiverse in an instant
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ask Mr Master to provide an official source stating the UN is multiversal 😬
Ask, and you shall receive:
"Should Abraxas reach the NULLIFIER,
He CAN OBLITERATE ALL the COMBINED REALITIES of the MULTI-VERSE"
Yes I know, I know,
Reed is a bonehead and doesn't know what he's talking about,
or it's hyperbole,
or your bio supercedes this ON PANEL evidence,
or damn it, if Phoenix CAN'T do it, then the UN shouldn't,
😆
Originally posted by Mr Master
And the bull shit goes on and on and on ...😆
Nice unreadable scans.
The Adam Warlock scan where he states the IG's power source is the Power Primordial is from She Hulk v3 #8
The bio is Fallen One/Champions bio from All New Handbook #4
Abraxas' bio is from All New Off HBook #1
The UN's bio from #11
If you cannot read my scans then invest in some specs, or take the initiative and download the comics yourself where you will see the truth. The issue numbers are there. 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Adam Warlock scan where he states the IG's power source is the Power Primordial is from She Hulk v3 #8The bio is Fallen One/Champions bio from All New Handbook #4
Abraxas' bio is from All New Off HBook #1
The UN's bio from #11
If you cannot read my scans then invest in some specs, or take the initiative and download the comics yourself where you will see the truth. The issue numbers are there.
ON PANEL>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bio
Originally posted by Mr Master
"Should Abraxas reach the NULLIFIER,He CAN OBLITERATE ALL the COMBINED REALITIES of the MULTI-VERSE"
Crawl back into your crevice of bull shit
Originally posted by Mr Master
Here Reed says"our Earth is merging with other Alternates"...
how can this be...unless the entire Multiverse is misaligned.
Here Nova says
"creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself"
again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart.
Finally what does this lead to?
Reed,
"In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was."
What was MISALIGNED that NEEDED to be REALIGNED?
The MULTI-VERSE!
Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier to banish Abraxas & Remake the Multiverse
UN Destroys the Multiverse
UN Remakes the Multiverse in an instant
Ask, and you shall receive:
"Should Abraxas reach the NULLIFIER,
He CAN OBLITERATE ALL the COMBINED REALITIES of the MULTI-VERSE"
Yes I know, I know,
Reed is a bonehead and doesn't know what he's talking about,
or it's hyperbole,
or your bio supercedes this ON PANEL evidence,
or damn it, if Phoenix can do it, then the UN can't,
😆
None of that changes whats established in continuity on panel i.e the UN is universal. None of that changes whats stated in the bios i.e Reed nullified the universe.
Its irrelevant showing that Abraxas was going around causing damage to realities across the multiverse because that doesnt mean that when Reed used the UN that it had to have reset directly the entire multiverse. If Reed reset Eternity and made it so Abraxas was never freed into reality then all the damage he did across reality never happened and so is reversed.
My way sees all the multiversal problems caused by Abraxas addressed, it also considers continuity for the UN and is supported by the official bios referring to that matter.
All you have is a bunch of scans and you OPINION on whats going on in them 😬
With the UN of course you can destroy the all the realities of the multiverse. It can destroy universes at a time so eventually he could destroy it all.
That line is ambiguous, either way it is contradicted by continuity for the UN and ignored by the official handbooks. 👇
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The IG by canon/current continuity derives its power from the universal Big Bang:The Ig is universal according to on panel statements from one its former wielders and a handbook bio.
None of those are officially endorsed sites, they are fansites. Heres Abraxas' last bio:
"Reed nullified the universe itself. The universe restored itself to its previous normality"
The multiverse was indeed reset, but not directly, thats where everyones gone wrong. 616 was reset, Abraxas nullified, so that meant all he did never happened, all the destruction he wrought across the universe never happened, theres the difference.
Thats why the bios refer to how the universe was nullified and the universe was set right.
Its also why the nullifiers bio refers to how it is a universal power:
"It can potentially destroy an entire universe"
Let me ask you a simple question if a number of roads is misaligned can you then fix the entire net of roads by destroying one of them and then realign that one road in order to realign all the roads ???
Where in the last scan does it says that the nullifier destroyed a single universe I cannot read the last part of it that is about abraxas.
Fansite... Marvel.com a simple fansite... okay then mate if you say so...
Also in according to all the scans above the multiverse was realign and when reed says that all there is needs to be remade then I kind of believes him.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
None of that changes whats established in continuity on panel i.e the UN is universal. None of that changes whats stated in the bios i.e Reed nullified the universe.Its irrelevant showing that Abraxas was going around causing damage to realities across the multiverse because that doesnt mean that when Reed used the UN that it had to have reset directly the entire multiverse. If Reed reset Eternity and made it so Abraxas was never freed into reality then all the damage he did across reality never happened and so is reversed.
My way sees all the multiversal problems caused by Abraxas addressed, it also considers continuity for the UN and is supported by the official bios referring to that matter.
All you have is a bunch of scans and you OPINION on whats going on in them
With the UN of course you can destroy the all the realities of the multiverse. It can destroy universes at a time so eventually he could destroy it all.
That line is ambiguous, either way it is contradicted by continuity for the UN and ignored by the official handbooks.
There ya go folks,
same ol shit
He asked for On Panel proof of the UN stated to be Multiversal,
I post the proof,
he gives us some bull shit explanation that basically runs around the FACT.
😆
This is comedy.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Here Reed says"our Earth is merging with other Alternates"...
how can this be...unless the entire Multiverse is misaligned.
Here Nova says
"creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself"
again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart.
Finally what does this lead to?
Reed,
"In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was."
What was MISALIGNED that NEEDED to be REALIGNED?
The MULTI-VERSE!
Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier to banish Abraxas & Remake the Multiverse
UN Destroys the Multiverse
UN Remakes the Multiverse in an instant
Ask, and you shall receive:
"Should Abraxas reach the NULLIFIER,
He CAN OBLITERATE ALL the COMBINED REALITIES of the MULTI-VERSE"
whistling
Originally posted by Utrigita
Let me ask you a simple question if a number of roads is misaligned can you then fix the entire net of roads by destroying one of them and then realign that one road realign all the roads ???Also in according to all the scans above the multiverse was realign and when reed says that all there is needs to be remade then I kind of believes him.
All that needs to be remade was remade as all that Abraxas did never happened. The handbooks support that interpretation as does established continuity for the UN.
Dont just swallow someone elses opinion, look at whats stated point blank as fact and that is that Reed nullified the universe and as a result reality returned to normal. The UN can potentially destroy a universe.
Those points are stated. Mr Master presents a string of scans where noen of his points are stated point blank to make them conclusive and on top of that the official bios dispute him.
Its as simple as that 😉
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
All that needs to be remade was remade as all that Abraxas did never happened. The handbooks support that interpretation as does established continuity for the UN.Dont just swallow someone elses opinion, look at whats stated point blank as fact and that is that Reed nullified the universe and as a result reality returned to normal. The UN can potentially destroy a universe.
Those points are stated. Mr Master presents a string of scans where noen of his points are stated point blank to make them conclusive and on top of that the official bios dispute him.
Its as simple as that 😉
Yes all that needs to be remade was just everything that Abraxas ****ed up and what was it that he ****ed up the multiverse, commen sense say that in order to fix it it must be realigned just like the roadnet.
Don't worry I never shallow someones openion. I make my own and debate from that.
That is the point where you and mr master are having a really problem profe. One says Bio counts more one say on panel proof counts more. I say they are equal.
