Drug Users

[QUOTE=]Originally posted by §P0oONY
I don't need to make the line, It's already there, it's the law... In the UK there are attempting to move the line back and make things that were acceptable less acceptable. Legalising Cannabis just seems a bit hypoctirical.

If a country legalised cannabis, more taking of cannabis would occur, that in my eyes is promotion. Just because they don't put up adverts doesn't mean that it isn't being promoted. If a govenment says something is okay that didn't used to be okay that is it being promoted. [/QUOTE]

You don't know whether more would occur.

And cannabis should be okay to use. Why shouldn't it? Why shoul you not have the right to use it? It increases your happiness. It is healthy. Sure it has downs, but they are a risk each individual should be able to take.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
They're making it illegal to smoke in public in England, the law has already passed in Scotland, Ireland and Wales.

No, I'm not for banning alcohol but I really don't think we need more harmful substances legalised, It's not like the laws on cannabis are particularly strong anyway, I just don't think that a country's government should promote recreational drugs. I think they should be more strict with alcohol to be honest, it's easy as **** getting alcohol underage.

If the laws are not "particularly strong", then why do we need them at all? It's just legal harassment from your government.

Originally posted by Bardock42
[QUOTE=]Originally posted by §P0oONY
[B]I don't need to make the line, It's already there, it's the law... In the UK there are attempting to move the line back and make things that were acceptable less acceptable. Legalising Cannabis just seems a bit hypoctirical.

If a country legalised cannabis, more taking of cannabis would occur, that in my eyes is promotion. Just because they don't put up adverts doesn't mean that it isn't being promoted. If a govenment says something is okay that didn't used to be okay that is it being promoted.

You don't know whether more would occur.

And cannabis should be okay to use. Why shouldn't it? Why shoul you not have the right to use it? It increases your happiness. It is healthy. Sure it has downs, but they are a risk each individual should be able to take. [/B][/QUOTE]
Of course it would increase.

It's not a quarrel with the drug itself, just how hypocritical the government would look legalising it when they're trying to tighten up on other recreational drugs.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
I just think that the government would look extremely hypocritical cracking down on one sort of recreational drug and then loosening up on another.

Hence why they should crack down on none, in an ideal world. Let people take whatever they want.

And there's no WOULD, they do. Alcohol? Tobacco?

Originally posted by §P0oONY
I'm not saying that they'd cause trouble, I just don't think having the streets covered in stoners and pissheads is very appealing.

I don't think having the streets covered in readers of The Sun is appealing either, but we all have problems.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
I'm not acting guilty, I have no problem with the drug, I have no problem using it, I just don't think it should be legalised.

Why? Because of the hypocritical thing? They're already hypocritical. They might as well further it so they're actually doing something right.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
The most common way of tking canabis is smoking it, that is harmful, obviously, damaging lungs, heart, everything. There is also the worry of psychosis with prolonged use.

Worry of, not proof of, knowledge of etc. Also, it's been said that to have ANY brain trauma, you would have to do godly amounts of the stuff, and even those who do it a lot are not at risk. Furthermore, it's not been remotely suggested that said "damage" is irreversible.

Smoking damages the lungs, not cannabis. Smoking. Smoking anything.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
You honestly believe that legalising a drug isn't an instant way of promoting it?

Yes, because it's not. Saying "You can do this if you want, since we have no reason for you NOT to, having alcohol and tobacco legalised, and they're worse.", is far different to "Look, go out and do cannabis.".

They're not telling you to, just saying that you can.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
Of course it would increase.

Proof? The word "Drug" comes with enough stigma to keep most people away, and so what if it increases? Who gives a shit? Let people do what they want.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
It's not a quarrel with the drug itself, just how hypocritical the government would look legalising it when they're trying to tighten up on other recreational drugs.

They're not trying to tighten up on recreational drugs, just personal freedom.

There are commercials for alcohol over here. More dangerous than anything illegal.

You're a hypocritical person who gives me the vibe they're against "drugs" cos they're "drugs" and "illegal".

-AC

Originally posted by Devil King
If the laws are not "particularly strong", then why do we need them at all? It's just legal harassment from your government.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
I don't need to make the line, It's already there, it's the law...

circular argument.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
In the UK there are attempting to move the line back and make things that were acceptable less acceptable.

law cannot make things acceptable. it may influence public opinion, and it certainly may incarcerate/punish victimless criminals in nazistic fashion, but it does not make something acceptable/unacceptable, moral/immoral, right/wrong.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
If a country legalised cannabis, more taking of cannabis would occur, that in my eyes is promotion. Just because they don't put up adverts doesn't mean that it isn't being promoted. If a govenment says something is okay that didn't used to be okay that is it being promoted.

i find the idea of government playing the role of parent/controller/punisher/moral decider, unaccountable to the will of the people, to be very scary. as far as the logic that legalisation=promotion=chaos you should review the history of american prohibition on alcohol. its all been done before, people fell for the same fallacy, and it turned out to be a huge and utter failure, inadvertently promoting far greater public menaces then the law was intended to quell.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
I believe the laws should be stronger.

That's silly. You know why the laws are not "particularly strong"? Because the government knows it doesn't hurt anyone.

Originally posted by §P0oONY

Of course it would increase.

It's not a quarrel with the drug itself, just how hypocritical the government would look legalising it when they're trying to tighten up on other recreational drugs.

But have we not taken lessons from the past? Prohibition of Alcohol in America has shown us what tightening the control can do - it automatically creates black market.

Making something illegal does not neutralize the demand. It somewhat increases it, thus creating the opportunities for the black market to operate, creating more unnecessary crime.

Right, I'm not spending ages replying to all these posts so I'll say this:

I don't want it legalised becasue it doesn't suit my lifestyle, nor does it effect it. I don't think it's good idea because I'd like to see more of a crackdown on all recreational drugs in my country, if that means people can't smoke, get stoned or drunk then I'm not really that bothered, they're a bit of fun but I can live without them.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
Right, I'm not spending ages replying to all these posts so I'll say this:

I don't want it legalised becasue it doesn't suit my lifestyle, nor does it effect it. I don't think it's good idea because I'd like to see more of a crackdown on all recreational drugs in my country, if that means people can't smoke, get stoned or drunk then I'm not really that bothered, they're a bit of fun but I can live without them.

As I said - Making something illegal does NOT neutralize the demand. Where there is demand, there will be supply. One way or another.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
I don't want it legalised becasue it doesn't suit my lifestyle, nor does it effect it.

There are people who's lifestyle it does suit, though. It doesn't affect you. There are lots of things in the world we'd rather not see or experience, it's called life. You can't ban everything you dislike just because you dislike it.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
I don't think it's good idea because I'd like to see more of a crackdown on all recreational drugs in my country, if that means people can't smoke, get stoned or drunk then I'm not really that bothered, it's a bit of fun but I can live without them.

YOU can, but this isn't all about you, you selfish fool.

-AC

Originally posted by §P0oONY
I don't want it legalised becasue it doesn't suit my lifestyle

You are in the overwhelming minority.

that's also selfish. If you don't use it, then why do you even give a shit?

I used to smoke weed every day, and still smoke it once or twice a month. All I can say on the matter is I don't think it's that bad at all. I know stoners who are achieving A's in every subject at A level and are going to Oxford, I also know stoners who are unemployed and just sit around watching south park all day. These two extremes are not exclusive to cannabis, they are to every drug, alcohol for instance; I enjoy to drink and do so probably twice a week, I however never fight or drink and drive etc, others do. There are individual differences in everything and if people want to use a substance I believe it should be entirely up to them.

"I'm selfish when it comes to drugs", I can live with that. If that's the only thing you can say agaisnt my point them I'm fine with that.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
"I'm selfish when it comes to drugs", I can live with that. If that's the only thing you can say agaisnt my point them I'm fine with that.

There are 19 other words in the post.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
"I'm selfish when it comes to drugs", I can live with that. If that's the only thing you can say agaisnt my point them I'm fine with that.

It will be if you keep ignoring my point.

Cracking down on drugs is difficult. It is a huge underground network because there is a huge demand. You saying ''I want to see cracking down on drugs in my country'' is not a matter of laws or making it illegal.

If you take few drug dealers off the street - big deal. In 2 days there will be another few to replace those. Those who are really responsible for copious amounts of dealings are way up the top, and hard to get to.

Al Capone should be a good reminder of what happens when you try and crack down on things such as drugs.

Any drug dealer, who pays attention to laws isn't a drug dealer. New laws aren't going to help at all, and trying to find the big fishes at the top won't either, because they won't be found.

Originally posted by §P0oONY
"I'm selfish when it comes to drugs", I can live with that. If that's the only thing you can say agaisnt my point them I'm fine with that.

Don't say you're not gonna spend time replying to every post and then alter the posts to reply in a way that suits you, that's not cool.

We've all had more than that to say against your point.

-AC

I just don't think drug laws should be any more relaxed than they are now. I'd like to see them tightened a bit, not the laws as such, merely their enforcement. I just think that it's very irresponsible to loosen them.

people are being locked up in prison and ass raped for smoking pot. this does not appease you?