Originally posted by §P0oONY
I just don't think drug laws should be any more relaxed than they are now. I'd like to see them tightened a bit, not the laws as such, merely their enforcement. I just think that it's very irresponsible to loosen them.
What is it that you've seen that indicates that weed is any where near as dangerous as alcohol?
Originally posted by Devil King
What is it that you've seen that indicates that weed is any where near as dangerous as alcohol?
Originally posted by §P0oONY
That's irrelevant. Alcohol can't be made illegal now, the business is far too well established and is making the government tonnes or money, if we knew the effects of alcohol before the industry appeared then it would have been made illegal. Plus if you look at cannabis, as it's smoked more often than not you can effect a 3rd party when they may not want to be effected via second hand smoke.
Irrelevant? Your arguments are getting more and more ridiculous. "If we had known the effects of alcohol before the industry appeared then it would have been made illegal"? When, 4000 years ago when it was discovered?
Are you even really trying to argue your point?
Originally posted by Devil King
Irrelevant? Your arguments are getting more and more ridiculous. "If we had known the effects of alcohol before the industry appeared then it would have been made illegal"? When, 4000 years ago when it was discovered?Are you even really trying to argue your point?
Originally posted by §P0oONY
What the **** are you on about? We didn't know about liver fallure and stuff 4000 years... I'm not talking about being drunk you idiot, I'm talking about the medical effects. You moron.
Oh shut up you uneducated after-schooler.
You have nothing besides "IF WE KNEW ABOUT ALCOHOL IT'D BE BANNED TOO!". No it wouldn't. One of the main reasons pot is illegal is cos anyone can grow it and it's harder for the government to make profit.
The medical negatives are too insignificant to even launch an effective debate, and the only argument you have is "I don't like it, it doesn't fit my lifestyle.", big deal. Your idiocy offends me, but I can't ban it.
Pot is even more harmless if you just don't smoke it.
-AC
Originally posted by §P0oONY
What the **** are you on about? We didn't know about liver fallure and stuff 4000 years... I'm not talking about being drunk you idiot, I'm talking about the medical effects. You moron.
You can't argue your point, so you resort to name calling.
Way to do it.
Your argument is that we need to make the penalties more harsh for someone who smokes weed, but that alcohol can't be made illegal because the government makes too much money off it, and weed is worse for us than booze and over the course of 4000 years, no one figured out that alcohol abuse can kill you and that it's the government's job to protect us from ourselves and that justifies why pot is treated differently than alcohol and cigarettes.
I'm sorry, are you really calling me the moron?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Oh shut up you uneducated after-schooler.You have nothing besides "IF WE KNEW ABOUT ALCOHOL IT'D BE BANNED TOO!". No it wouldn't. One of the main reasons pot is illegal is cos anyone can grow it and it's harder for the government to make profit.
The medical negatives are too insignificant to even launch an effective debate, and the only argument you have is "I don't like it, it doesn't fit my lifestyle.", big deal. Your idiocy offends me, but I can't ban it.
Pot is even more harmless if you just don't smoke it.
-AC
Originally posted by Devil KingI don't need to argue my point, it's an opinion and one I just don't feel strongly about.
You can't argue your point, so you resort to name calling.Way to do it.
Your argument is that we need to make the penalties more harsh for someone who smokes weed, but that alcohol can't be made illegal because the government makes too much money off it, and weed is worse for us than booze and over the course of 4000 years, no one figured out that alcohol abuse can kill you and that it's the government's job to protect us from ourselves and that justifies why pot is treated differently than alcohol and cigarettes.
I'm sorry, are you really calling me the moron?
I never said Cannabis laws should be increased, I just said I think the laws that are there should be enforced. Like all laws. The alcohol issue is totally unrelated, it's a different substance, you brought it in.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
You just stated a legitimate reason to not legalise cannabis, go cry to you mother now you selfrighteous pretentious stoner.
Prove I'm a stoner, or prove you're a presumptuous moron who finds it hard to believe that you don't need to do the drug to support its legalisation.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
He pointed out that it is hard for governments to take a cut, why the hell would the government ever legalise it then? Not being able to take money is a legitimate reason to keep things as they are when it comes to recreational drugs.
The point is, you cretinous fool, that this is not enough reason to make a drug that does no harm and costs nothing to make, illegal.
If people are making it and people are using it, it doesn't make a bit of difference, which is why I said to you it's not a protective measure, it's a move against personal freedom.
You made the stupid attempt to say public exposure is a reason, but it's not. The point is; personal freedom. You say the government shouldn't be hypocritical, but they are. Taking a cut of money from two drugs that damage more than any illegal drug, rather than making a harmless illegal drug, legal.
Infact, it's easy to farm, so they could actually produce it and tax cannabis farmers, then take a cut. People would still get to do as they wish, the government would get their money.
The government do not care about drunk people walking the streets, people being high shouldn't bother them either.
Take your argument home you pathetic boy.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
Right, someone give me 3 legitimate points as to how legalising Cannabis helps society... And none of that "freedom to do what we want" bullshit.
A) That isn't "bullshit", it's the way it is.
B) People have been proving shit to you since you've been here. You have the burden of proof.
Provide 3 reasons why it should be illegalised and laws should be stronger, in the face of using and enjoying the drug yourself.
None of that "It doesn't suit my lifestyle." bullshit, which IS bullshit.
-AC
First off, I'll say that I do smoke pot on occassion. Why? Well because it calms me down. Medical studies have shown that it is known to not cause cancer (and in fact has been shown to retard the growth of malignant cells).
Another reason why I smoke pot on occassion: I will never OD on it since it is practically impossible to get a lethal amount into your system before passing out.
I've never been addicted to it, and I've never had problems after smoking it. Of course I also know to only use substances like that in moderation, which is probably why I've never had problems with stuff like that.
Spooony, you should stop acting like a little self-righteous shit and stop trying to support your views with loads of crap.
Anyone here (especially the ones supporting illegalization of harmful substances) seen Thank You for Smoking?
Edit: lolz yes alcohol is a different substance, and it can kill you if you OD on it.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
I don't need to argue my point, it's an opinion and one I just don't feel strongly about.
Oh yeah, you have such weak feelings for it that you've spent the last three pages calling us all morons and stoners. Sounds like it's something you don't care about at all.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
I never said Cannabis laws should be increased,
Nor did I say you did.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
I just said I think the laws that are there should be enforced. Like all laws.
I think you would be amazed at the number of useless laws that are in effect in the world. What kind of person wants the government to come down on us harder?
Originally posted by §P0oONY
The alcohol issue is totally unrelated, it's a different substance, you brought it in.
You can see how they're related though, can't you?
Why is that? Because you like to drink, but you don't like to smoke pot? You do get the concept that we all have to live together, right? It's not just you in the world.
This has gotten out of hand, I never meant it to, I apoligise for going a little over the top but I'm merely trying to put my opinion across. I find myself having little to cling on to and so I'm coming up with utter shit and quite frankly I feel I'll been pushed in to a corner. I don't think it's right to leagalise it, It's my own personal opinion and I'm quite happy for others to have their own. I do understand why people want it legalised but I just can't agree.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
Right, someone give me 3 legitimate points as to how legalising Cannabis helps society... And none of that "freedom to do what we want" bullshit.
Buisness. As AC said, anyone can grow it, but anyone can grow tobacco too. But you don't see it happening, look at the cigarette and tobacco industry. -trust me, it's not as easy to do as you might think, I tried it in high school.
Taxes. The government could make even more money from taxes, just like they do with alcohol.
Medical benefits. The research on this is out there to be found.
and lastly, because it does fit with my lifestyle